Some Thoughts on Blocking Shots

[Chairman7w]

I was thinking, "Maybe EA has the slightly delayed block/jumping in there for a reason."

Ever look at the blocks stat at the end of the game? I've checked them out a few times, and they certainly seem fairly normal to me. There's a few blocks here or there, but nothing crazy either way (not too high or too low).

So, statistically, it works out. However, if they DID "fix" the time between pressing the button and blocking the shot (meaning when you hit tirangle, your guy gets up immediately to block the shot), think how many blocks there would be. It would be ridiculous.

Then you'd have guys complaining all over the board about "BLocking shots is broken!!!!" It's a tough spot to be in for EA, but I actually hope they don't "fix" the way it is now.

[Sreister]

If anything, I still feel there are too many blocked shots. What I'd like to see is a better close out feature. I've been lit up too many times by the likes of Bruce Bowen and other such average players because of the extended block shot animation. Get a hand in their face for outside shots, and block attempts for closer shots would be the best.

You never hear a coach tell his players to block 3's, so why have an animation? Being a basketball player myself, I've always been told to get a hand in their face instead.

[bls]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sreister

If anything, I still feel there are too many blocked shots. What I'd like to see is a better close out feature. I've been lit up too many times by the likes of Bruce Bowen and other such average players because of the extended block shot animation. Get a hand in their face for outside shots, and block attempts for closer shots would be the best. You never hear a coach tell his players to block 3's, so why have an animation? Being a basketball player myself, I've always been told to get a hand in their face instead.

You can actually close out on a shooter, I do it all the time. When the open shooter gets the ball, just move your player over to where he is, don't press any buttons and he'll automatically close out and just put his hands up.

[Sreister]

Quote: Originally Posted by bls

You can actually close out on a shooter, I do it all the time. When the open shooter gets the ball, just move your player over to where he is, don't press any buttons and he'll automatically close out and just put his hands up.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It works, but I've never actually had it work with a 3 point shot, only shots from around the top of the key and such. I don't know, I guess I'd like to see a different close out when using the jump button, more like a leap for the defender rather than a jump over/off to the side of it.

Meh, just a wishlist I guess.

[gbx34]

How about a separate block and defend button? Block would be going for a block. Based on skill level. More likely to swat ball but less effect on shot. Defend based on ability would be less chance to block ball and more effect to defend shot.

Also players jump shots seem to have no affect on the with blocking shots. Like look at Durant's jump shot in this game. He jumps high but has no affect to shoot over anyone.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chairman7w

I was thinking, "Maybe EA has the slightly delayed block/jumping in there for a reason." Ever look at the blocks stat at the end of the game? I've checked them out a few times, and they certainly seem fairly normal to me. There's a few blocks here or there, but nothing crazy either way (not too high or too low). So, statistically, it works out. However, if they DID "fix" the time between pressing the button and blocking the shot (meaning when you hit tirangle, your guy gets up immediately to block the shot), think how many blocks there would be. It would be ridiculous. Then you'd have guys complaining all over the board about "BLocking shots is broken!!!!" It's a tough spot to be in for EA, but I actually hope they don't "fix" the way it is now.

They most likely will. And I agree with you. It works the way it is right now. You can't just jump on a whim and perform a block. Elimination of the gather mechanic will just bring down one area of the game they've already improved.

[23bluesman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

They most likely will. And I agree with you. It works the way it is right now. You can't just jump on a whim and perform a block. Elimination of the gather mechanic will just bring down one area of the game they've already improved.

I agree with you and Chairman. People are divided on this block gather issue, and either way if EA does fix it or not, some will be happy, and some won't. I like the block gather, I don't mind it being in the game.

The problem that I have with it is that the cpu doesn't seem to know how to use it properly, ie, the code is "broken". By the way, this refers to the running-gather-jump forward to contest the shot animation. Not the standing ones.

Take this scenario for example:
My spot-up shooter is open for a corner 3 point shot. I pass it to him, and he's ready to shoot. The defender, slightly out of position, rushes to block/contest the shot. In this instance, the block gather is initiated. In real life, the defender would gather himself a few feet from the shooter, such that at the top of his forward jump he would be in front of the shooter.

In Live, however, the cpu seems to trigger the block gather when he is already in front of the shooter. In effect, he would be jumping behind (or to the far right/left) the shooter, putting him way out of position to contest my shot. Not only is it ineffective, but it looks unrealistic. For the corner 3 point shot, it looks like the cpu defender is trying to jump over the bench players.

For the user, it isn't really a problem if we just figure out the proper timing. But it seems that the cpu's timing is off, or should I say, the code is off. The cpu triggers the block when he's in front of the shooter, not taking into account the gather and forward jump.

[carnalnirvava]

i really hope they patch it because i an fed up of letting the cpu get unchallenged shots because i am scared of a 3 pt play or 4 pt play.......

also on superstar its the only way to get the cpu to miss, on shots i challenge they miss 2 out of 5 maybe this would go a long way to get the cpu below 60% some games

[Deelo]

Hey, i started out think the same as most at the start about the shot blockin but like Chairman7w said the stats are pretty good at the end of the day, but its hard when you see people going for a basket un challenged and i think thats where the problem is, also the players jump away from the ball sometimes which is unreal and the blocking seems out of ur hands.

I think there needs to be more fouls (free throws given)
there needs to be better help on D cos most stand there and leave a open route to the basket instead of steppin into challenge, and another thing which is a let down is trying to put your hands up etc i think this should be instant as by the time u do it the player would have already took his shot (not sure if this has been looked at in the patch)

But over all the blockin is pretty much ok, just needs some more elements to go with it

[weedmanus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Deelo

Hey, i started out think the same as most at the start about the shot blockin but like Chairman7w said the stats are pretty good at the end of the day, but its hard when you see people going for a basket un challenged and i think thats where the problem is, also the players jump away from the ball sometimes which is unreal and the blocking seems out of ur hands. I think there needs to be more fouls (free throws given) there needs to be better help on D cos most stand there and leave a open route to the basket instead of steppin into challenge, and another thing which is a let down is trying to put your hands up etc i think this should be instant as by the time u do it the player would have already took his shot (not sure if this has been looked at in the patch) But over all the blockin is pretty much ok, just needs some more elements to go with it

Putting your hands up has to be the dumbest issue with Live!! I mean come on EA!! Why would you put a 1.5 sec delay on the execution of putting your hands up to contest!? Not to mention how robotic it looks!!
That needs a fixing for sure!!