GAMEPLAY POSSIBLY FIXED.....CHECK OUT THE COACH SLIDERS AND TENDENCIES.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by astarr

I don't mind the arguing. Strong opinions create healthy debate. My brain is stimulated by reading this. Keep it up Halo and Neon! I mean it in the sincerest form. I have had these questions. I checked out Halo's roster, and I liked it. I just don't like the Tomba edits as it takes a defensive specialist and neuters them. They almost don't have a purpose. In fact, that is why I play with Outsiders. However I am going to try Neon's. Neon, what roster is this based off of? Is it the latest 2K update or a previous one?

Its Dec 24th update. Has everything except the Insider added Krstic. Krstic on here is my CAP. Everything else is official.

[haloofduty]

Quote: Originally Posted by Neon1

And how many sliders had to be changed in the process to get those rosters to do so?

I got a question. No more debates cause I win. What does decreasing overall shooting tendency do? I downloaded your lastest and adjusted the lakers and Cavs roster to their original overall shooting tendencies. Just the shooting tendency I did not touch close shot, mid ect. It basically played the same. I understand you changing the sub tendencies[has anybody said that before sounds weird] but changing every player overall shooting tendency what does it do.

[haloofduty]

I think you got to upset. I only posted that[although I still think its true] because it seems like you hop on people cases when they say anything you dont understand or dont agree with. You also called slider adjustment cheating which was just ignorant. All these roster editors and slider makers have been trying to get this game right for us and you come along and call it cheating when they were trying to make a realistic game. Not make it easier for the user like you said. If you didnt know sliders are their for a reason.

Is it cheating when you edit coaching sliders, players attributes and tendencies? How about if a slider maker told you your scale is cheating. Would you except that or go on one of your mood swings and attack? I call them mood swings cause one moment your telling someone Yes Thats Right Your Getting It than its YOU IDIOT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, SLIDERS ARE CHEATING PEOPLE JUST NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY!!!! Yes you said that. Telling people that cant play cause they adjust sliders.

Calling it cheating is crossing the line. Its like your putting down everyone else cause you THINK you came across something great. In a 2k interview before the game came out I think the guy Rob was asked why dont they ship the game set realistically already. His answer was cause every user views realistic gameplay differently so thats why they have sliders. They did not expect someone to go deep into editing rosters they expected slider adjustment.

You replied to me saying how many sliders does it take to reach your gameplay. Well actually quite a few BUT slider makers can improve gameplay quickly since they dont have to edit rosters. I think what your doing is great since you dont have to edit sliders but the sliders were made to make the game more real.

Maybe all this editing your doing you can also edit your brain to be more humble.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by haloofduty

I got a question. No more debates cause I win. What does decreasing overall shooting tendency do? I downloaded your lastest and adjusted the lakers and Cavs roster to their original overall shooting tendencies. Just the shooting tendency I did not touch close shot, mid ect. It basically played the same. I understand you changing the sub tendencies[has anybody said that before sounds weird] but changing every player overall shooting tendency what does it do.

If you dont like the roster, why waste your time asking me 99 questions for? I save my energy for people that are truely here to ask legitimite questions and feedback instead of spending it on someone who had no other intention than to come in here to disrupt the thread for whatever his motives are to do so.

And judging by your post in another thread thats ALL you intended on doing from the second you came in here.

[haloofduty]

Quote: Originally Posted by Neon1

If you dont like the roster, why waste your time asking me 99 questions for? I save my energy for people that are truely here to ask legitimite questions and feedback instead of spending it on someone who had no other intention than to come in here to disrupt the thread for whatever his motives are to do so. And judging by your post in another thread thats ALL you intended on doing from the second you came in here.

I came to give a opinion because you needed one. I told you its great what your doing. I dont have anything against your roster. I tried your roster. I try everyones roster. When your done Im going to try it again. Just an opinion. As you can see I left the intense debating on the last page. Well actually you started it anyway. Back to info what does decreasing overall shooting tendencies do?

I do have to commend you though. Lowering tendencies to much up with rookies is a terrific idea. An a earlier post I was letting you know your tendencies might be to low for the generated rookies so I figured out a ratio for shooting tendencies to much up with generated rookies. It worked very well. I simmed 8 seasons and with the decreased shooting tendencies for every player I seen generated players average 25,20,15 ect.

I think the highest if I can recall rookie shooting tendency was 81. Since they dont increase none over the years [2k] I decreased the whole nba shooting tendencies by 16. So if Kobe is at 99 I reduced him to 83. So that makes the rookie who has 81 tendency real tendency 97. When rookies have that high of a tendency they can shoot their but off so should eventually become stars. Basically the scale is 83=99 73=89 63=79 53=69 43=59. So you can see no longer will a person have to edit rookies. A rookie that has a 40 tendency can average in double figures if he is in the starting lineup.

When I did this though a lot of players scoring was up due to the fact I decreased bench players also and since they already didnt score much they scored less. I should have known better. But I corrected that.

You actually made the game playable for me again giving me this idea and I thank you. I really thank you cause editing rookies was hell and made me not want to play. Like I said though its great what your doing. Not having to touch sliders is a great accomplishment. I never was against what you were doing just curious and had a opinion. GO STEELERS and Im from Baltimore. Girlymore if the ravens when.

[ToastDan]

hey neon, i like to comment the discussion of the fastbreak points.

the games i played with your roster adjustments on pro difficulty were all good concerning the fastbreaks. maybe its just the bad defense (im still learning the game), but i think that all teams i played against so far, were pretty good on taking advantage of my turnovers. i think i had at least 10 FB points against me on average. and im always trying to score on the break, so i get results of 8 - 10 points a game.

so, in my opinion: stick to the actual settings.

ps. one question concerning defending the cpu: do the other users of this roster defend with lock-on defense or do you just try to stay in front of the opponent. i think its sometimes pretty hard to prevent the cpu from scoring, even if i think, that i defended well. in my last game against dallas, dampier scored like 12 points below the rim by easily posting me up, and i was playing oden and aldridge.

another thing: did anybody except me, got outrebounded by yao on the offensive board? when i played against houston, yao and scola and battier collected 17 offensive rebs? HELP! please.

[jfrost32]

Hey neon another question...in your new update did you try and fix the fastbreak with all the teams? or just a few? the reason is this...I played the 76ers and I know they really aren't that good but there was a play when Willie Green had an open fast break but he pulled up from the free throw line instead? It was weird...

Oh and the fastbreaks for me are fine, I take them when i got an open lane but besides that I get fouled sometimes so its all good..

[fumanchu]

Quote: Originally Posted by sheva07

cslater21 and me are just working on it. i'm just updating the official post-patch roster with the new tendencies and Chad is filling up a spreedsheet to be shared with ps3 owners. stay tuned.

great news man....good luck!!!

[jfrost32]

ok so I just had to post this game...
(12 min quarters, Pro, penalties: block, charge, loose to 100, shooting to 75, reach in 65)

BOS (Me) vs CLE (CPU)
97 - 104

21-27-27-22=97
30-21-25-28=104

38/79 48% - 39/80 48% FG%
5/17 29% - 7/19 34% 3P%
16/21 76% - 19/25 76% FT%
23 - Assist - 27
12 - TO - 10
17 - Team Fouls - 13
34 - Reb - 37
5 - Off Reb - 6
7 - Steals - 9
7 - Blocks - 5
38 -PiP- 46
28 -Bench- 41
8 -2nd Chance Points- 5
11 -Fastbreak Points- 4

Boston Celtics:
K. Garnett- 36 mins, 19 pts, 14 rebs, 4 blks, 9-18fg
P. Pierce- 37 mins, 16 pts, 7-15fg, 1-4 3pt
R. Allen- 34 mins, 14 pts, 3 asts, 3 TO, 3-16fg, 2-11 3pt, 6-6 ft
R. Rondo- 36 mins, 14 pts, 7 asts, 4-9 fg, 6-10 ft
E. House- 12 mins, 10 pts, 3 asts, 4-4fg, 2-2 3pt
K. Perkins- 29 mins, 6 pts, 9 rebs, 3 asts, 1 blk, 3-5 fg

Cleveland Cavaliers:
Z. Ilgauskas- 30 mins, 20 pts, 12 rebs, 4 asts, 3 blks, 9-20fg
L. James- 39 mins, 18 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts, 3 stls, 6-19fg, 1-6 3pt
D. West- 38 mins, 18pts, 3 rebs, 7-12 fg, 2-5 3pt
W. Szczerbiak- 17 mins, 18 pts, 2 stls, 6-7 fg, 3-3 3pt
A. Varejao- 25 mins, 14 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 5-6 fg, 4-6 ft
M. Williams- 32 mins, 5 pts, 4 asts, 2-5 fg, 1-1 3pt

Hmm where to start...well lets just say this game was exciting and really gave me butterflies when it got to the end. The best thing I can say about this game is that all the components came together all at once. It got really loud and it seemed like the commentators even though they aren't that great said everything right at the right moment.

The first period was a bad period for me. I shot horrible, and mainly because Ray shot 1-8 from the field which sucks for me. Big Z got hot early and really opened up the rest of the floor. They started on a 15-4 run and took a big lead but I fought back and at least got it to single figures. 21-30 Cavs lead

The second period is where I had a great period. Thanks to my bench. They got hot also. House and Scalabrine shot well, hit a few three's then PP came back in and led the team because James was out and wasn't guarding him. The Cavs finally came back to earth and shot alright but I finally got the lead to 3 when I was down by 12 i believe mid way through the period so to get it to 3 made me happy. 48-51 Cavs lead still

The 3rd quarter was the most exciting and where I felt the commentators plus the crowd really made the game special. There was a 5 minute stretch where both teams just traded off baskets. 3's from West and Szczerbiak, a 3 from Allen off the fast break that made it 68-67 Celtics with 5:04 left in the period, jumpers from everybody and their momma's. It was so awsome to watch and I really wish I could tape the whole game for people to watch. But at the end of the period, it was 75-76 Cavs

Now comes the 4th quarter. So I'm thinking to myself, ok I got it down to one lets make sure that James does not go off and let the bench beat me. Well it was a bad idea. I kept Pierce on James all night long, even switched up with T. Allen and made sure that my defense drops when he drove. Well he drove and dished out to West and Szczerbiak and they just kept nailing shots and before I knew it, the game was 89-98 with about 4:00 to go. So I battled and battled until finally I got it down to 95-100 with 56 secs left. I do have faith in Ray and since I couldn't get Pierce open for a 3 because of James, I kept shooting with Ray. Well the poor guy couldn't get it going and it was 97-104 with 10 secs left and I said ok they beat me. Great game

Their bench is the reason why the won honestly. 41 pts is a coaches dream and I did my job to shut down James. These rosters are playing so well for me and I really can't wait to Neon is done with the full set so I can start my season. I do hope you guys are having the same results as me.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by jfrost32

Hey neon another question...in your new update did you try and fix the fastbreak with all the teams? or just a few? the reason is this...I played the 76ers and I know they really aren't that good but there was a play when Willie Green had an open fast break but he pulled up from the free throw line instead? It was weird... Oh and the fastbreaks for me are fine, I take them when i got an open lane but besides that I get fouled sometimes so its all good..

I edited for every team. Anytime i change something i do it for all teams and players. You always have to keep the playing field level.

The pulling up thing. What exactly is happening? Are you saying he was ALL alone with nobody in front of him and he stopped for a free throw line jumper? If so yeah thats weird. Its also weird if the defender is on his hip and he pulls up.

If there is a defender SET and waiting for him in front of him and he pulled up then its fine players do that all the time. Let me know.