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[haloofduty]

Quote: Originally Posted by Neon1

#1. WTF?. #2 Your an idiot. You have ZERO clue what your taking about. My pressure was set at low 30's for TWO DAYS. I move it ALL THE TIME. Right NOW AS WE SPEAK they are in the high 50's and 60's. Almost EVERY version update i have moved it. The players STILL play the same way. They shoot from where they shoot from because its in thier tendencies to shoot from those places. The only thing the pressure is doing is determining how quickly they might FIND THEMSELVES OPEN to take the shot and it is effecting the contesting of those shots thus, the success rate of the shots going in. Put pressure at 100 and they will STILL shoot from there, because its IN THIER INDIVIDUAL TENDENCIES TO DO SO. It will make some of the guards with high drive tendencies to use thier second options, but the people that are shooters will still fire up some highly contested low success rate shot. Its not the pressures "making them shoot", You could put it at -100 and that wouldnt suddenly make Shaq turn into Dirk. WHY NOT? Because his tendencies dont tell him too. He would STILL take it inside EVERYtime. And MY RATINGS have ALWAYS been lower than everybodys. Which isnt lower "for rebounds" they have always been lower because steroided up shot ratings give you steroided up FG%'s. People putting all kinds of players at 99,95+ shot ratings etc and then sit and wonder why you can never get them to miss anything? Thats plain old COMMON SENSE and to be real, thats something you should have "figured out" LONG BEFORE LAST MONTH, I mean, its only been going on for at least 5 years. I have been edited my rosters the way i edit them FOR YEARS. Did you really think NOBODY knew that players werent missing beacuse their ratings were overly inflated? Lmao at "your idea" dude. Me and many other people surely had always used a different scale than 2K's steroided up one. When i first started posting regularly back in october/november i used to discuss the fact that i used my own scale ALL THE TIME. You know what the other roster guys said? "All this is crazy!! It cant work this way and you need to use the scale 2K has.." #3 Last And MOST importantly WTF do you care who is using who's rosters for anyways? Why do you have your panties in a bunch over who uses my rosters? Are you getting a royalty check or something?

You telling me defensive pressure has nothing to do with it and they will shoot anyway depending on their tendency? If thats the case then people would not be complaining about how the players play. Mid range has been a problem and if what your saying is right than players would have been pulling mid range shots and shooting off the dribble contested if defensive pressure had nothing to do with it. If shooting tendencies was a huge factor like you say then we never would have been experiencing the mid range problem.

Defensive pressure is playing up on your man not contesting shots. When I set it at 0 players seen they can shoot every shot cause they were open. I dont think fisher is going to fire 16 3s if defensive pressure was set at 100. I just started a game with d pressure at 100 and its the end of the first and fisher has taken no 3s. My last game with it at 0 he took 5 in the first. I bet upping your defensive pressure helped your 3 point flaw didnt it?

Dont get mad just my opinion.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by haloofduty

Well I didnt read your long rant I just read the end. Looks like your mad. Reguardless of what you explained in your long cry I know what Im talking about. Also I dont like some of your replies to people in this thread. You seem like your full of yourself and to cocky and when someone says something about your system you start complaining like a little girl and acting like you know everything. Your findings are rather pointless to me. Thats just to me and I explained that. I didnt say anything bad about you. I can voice my opinion on a thread if I please. I feel like what your doing is pointless because it can been done in a simpler way but Im not calling you a idiot am I. Grow up and learn everyone is not going to praise you.

Dude you clearly DONT know.

For one, anybody who did would know that if you were trying to disprove that it was the pressure and not the tendencies at all that person would have RAISED the pressure NOT lowered it.

if i told you ahead of time "hey im going to drive the ball and lay it in because its want i want to do." (tendency)

and you (the defense) wanted to set out and prove that your defensive pressure is the determining factor for what i (the offense) eventually ends up doing with the ball and NOT the fact that i already had my mind made up that i wanted to drive it,

What in the world would backing up away from me and giving me the open layup prove?

You disprove something by making it change its course. Your little "test" was the only thing pointless.

Theres a team FULL of guys that have mid range and threes as thier number one and two options, and you BACK AWAY GIVE THEM thier
1st and 2nd options on a silver platter, and then come talking about "see, i backed off as far as possible all game and they shot outside all game? "

Of COURSE they did, its what they wanted to do in the 1st place...When you make those players DRIVE all game THEN you have disproved something.


And as far as me talking to posters? I get a bunch of PM's, posts and messeges, and i answer IN DEPTH, ALL of them. If i was full of myself i would give people a one and two word (or none) reply and brush them off. I wouldnt spend all that time answering everybody's questions.

[haloofduty]

I dont want to make you whine anymore but I just have to add this last thing. I just played a little with your roster. I just dont see it. It plays well but no different from the good rosters I play with. If I seen something great I would say. The improved gameplay I dont see. Im not taking anything away they play very well but just very well like a few others rosters I play and played with.

[haloofduty]

Quote: Originally Posted by Neon1

Dude you clearly DONT know. For one, anybody who did would know that if you were trying to disprove that it was the pressure and not the tendencies at all that person would have RAISED the pressure NOT lowered it. if i told you ahead of time "hey im going to drive the ball and lay it in because its want i want to do." (tendency) and you (the defense) wanted to set out and prove that your defensive pressure is the determining factor for what i (the offense) eventually ends up doing with the ball and NOT the fact that i already had my mind made up that i wanted to drive it, What in the world would backing up away from me and giving me the open layup prove? You disprove something by making it change its course. Your little "test" was the only thing pointless. Theres a team FULL of guys that have mid range and threes as thier number one and two options, and you BACK AWAY GIVE THEM thier 1st and 2nd options on a silver platter, and then come talking about "see, i backed off as far as possible all game and they shot outside all game? " Of COURSE they did, its what they wanted to do in the 1st place...When you make those players DRIVE all game THEN you have disproved something. And as far as me talking to posters? I get a bunch of PM's, posts and messeges, and i answer IN DEPTH, ALL of them. If i was full of myself i would give people a one and two word (or none) reply and brush them off. I wouldnt spend all that time answering everybody's questions.

What I read your full of yourself. If someone thinks your full of yourself off of reading some post your most likely full of yourself.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by haloofduty

You telling me defensive pressure has nothing to do with it and they will shoot anyway depending on their tendency? If thats the case then people would not be complaining about how the players play. Mid range has been a problem and if what your saying is right than players would have been pulling mid range shots and shooting off the dribble contested if defensive pressure had nothing to do with it. Defensive pressure is playing up on your man not contesting shots. When I set it at 0 players seen they can shoot every shot cause they open. I dont think fisher is going to fire 16 3s if defensive pressure was set at 100. I just started a game with d pressure at 100 and its the end of the first and fisher has taken no 3s. My last game with it at 0 he took 5 in the first. I bet upping your defensive pressure helped your 3 point flaw didnt it? Dont get mad just my opinion.

Dude. You had it at ZEROOOOO. Now you have it at 100.
You obviously really dont understand what the shot distribution tendencies do AT ALL.

Shot tendency = How aggresive when open.
The seperate shot tendencies = FROM WHERE.

Pressure can effect your FREQUENCY by leaving open vs NOT open.
It WILL NOT change the player into something hes not.

All your doing with the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum thing is making the ball handler shoot everytime (by leaving wide open EVERYTIME) and then no times (NEVER leaving him open).

He could go the whole game and only shoot 4 shots, and it means nothing unless you show you are changing his shooting spots on the floor with changes in pressure. When he DOES finally find enough space to shoot whether the pressure is at 0 or 100, its going to be a 3 or a mid range 8-10 times.

Im not saying that pressure has NO EFFECT AT ALL on anything. If it didnt i wouldnt feel the need to change it.

Im saying that you are implying that my players are only playing differently (shooting patterns/spots) than others because of the pressure, which is very far from accurate.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by haloofduty

I dont want to make you whine anymore but I just have to add this last thing. I just played a little with your roster. I just dont see it. It plays well but no different from the good rosters I play with. If I seen something great I would say. The improved gameplay I dont see. Im not taking anything away they play very well but just very well like a few others rosters I play and played with.

And how many sliders had to be changed in the process to get those rosters to do so?

[jfrost32]

wow this thread is getting intense lol kinda reminds me of how high school was...but anyway look guys its plain and simple, if you don't like the rosters than move on. Some people like these, some don't.

Personally, I like them because I have had great games day after day and I'm happy with that. Have you notice that most sliders/rosters these days get changed so much and are constantly tweaked? I think that when Neon is done there won't be anymore tweaking so that says something

But this arguing over defensive pressure and stuff is just retarded....so chill

[astarr]

I don't mind the arguing. Strong opinions create healthy debate. My brain is stimulated by reading this.

Keep it up Halo and Neon! I mean it in the sincerest form. I have had these questions. I checked out Halo's roster, and I liked it. I just don't like the Tomba edits as it takes a defensive specialist and neuters them. They almost don't have a purpose.

In fact, that is why I play with Outsiders. However I am going to try Neon's.

Neon, what roster is this based off of? Is it the latest 2K update or a previous one?

[sirjam]

Well I am on record of being one of those guys that was complaining about lack of fastbreaks. Mine however wasn't about the cpu mine was user. I would see guys like Kobe and Aldridge instead of cutting to the hole on breaks they would want to stop at the three point line. I had to lead pass them to the rim even when no one was in front of them. Thats where my problem with the breaks happen. So I guess if you have it at a low number in coaching profiles they run to the line instead of to the hole. Everything plays very well with these rosters. Nice job.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by sirjam

Well I am on record of being one of those guys that was complaining about lack of fastbreaks. Mine however wasn't about the cpu mine was user. I would see guys like Kobe and Aldridge instead of cutting to the hole on breaks they would want to stop at the three point line. I had to lead pass them to the rim even when no one was in front of them. Thats where my problem with the breaks happen. So I guess if you have it at a low number in coaching profiles they run to the line instead of to the hole. Everything plays very well with these rosters. Nice job.

Dude i had no idea thats what you meant and that these things were happening. That sort of stuff is exactly why the thread is here and exactly what im looking for, to find bugs and quirks in gameplay and to try and fix them (for good) with savable rosters.

Guys, ANYTIME you guys see stuff like this happening just try and be precise on letting me know what the issues are. I and maybe a few others were thinking it was just a basic "i want more fastbreak points" because nobody really ellaborated further than that.