GAMEPLAY POSSIBLY FIXED.....CHECK OUT THE COACH SLIDERS AND TENDENCIES.

[Neon1]

If there is a transaction in the NBA, Expect it to be made. I usually update as soon as i find out any movement or whenever i finish editing a team. I stay current.

Unless its a player not available to me like the added Kristic. I didnt add my created Kristic because many people hate caps. What i will do is modify the Kristic cap and make him available and leave it up to you guys if you want a cap. Unless nobody minds one cap player being on here...let me know.

[leon_langston]

I would like to see Kristic added. I would like the rosters to be as accurate as possible.

[Bearsfan1]

Okay, I just want to say, NOBODY PLAY WITH THE BULLS! I just got my *** kicked by the Hornets 127-99. The most unrealistic game I've played yet! It's nearly impossible to defend with the Bulls, they leave their man wide open from three every other time down court. You know something is wrong when Morris Peterson goes off for 34 on you and Chris Paul had a double double at halftime. I won't even get into the stats because they're so inflated its terrible. I know the Bulls are bad, but I don't think they are THAT bad hahaha.. If somebody else can get better results with the Bulls please post because I know its going to be hard for anybody, trust me! I'll try again tomorrow, and see if I can get anything different. Its so hard to play with them.

[Neon1]

Im starting to think the problem might be with the Hornets. I possibly may have overlooked re-editing them when the new tweaks were made....seems like they are always somewhere in the mix when a bad game happens. Im at work ill check them out in the early am.
i think they have the same issue with 3pt frequency. I know i corrected CP3's rating and Daniels but not the others.

[CSlater21]

PC owner here as well. I would be happy to take on a project like this to port over the xbox settings to the PC, but would need access to your ratings.

PM me if you would be interested. I know the PC crowd would love to get their hands on these.

Thanks for all of your great work.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by CSlater21

PC owner here as well. I would be happy to take on a project like this to port over the xbox settings to the PC, but would need access to your ratings. PM me if you would be interested. I know the PC crowd would love to get their hands on these. Thanks for all of your great work.

Im ok with that but im not sure how well/bad my coach settings work without roster tendency and ratings changes.

[tjnigs]

Hi Neon1,

First of all thanks for making and sharing a project like this for all of us. I know how much time you spend on editing each team. (I'm on PS3 and editing the two teams available for us is already a buzz, how about 30 right?) Anyway, here are my findings, comments and suggestions. Hope it will be useful for you.

1. I agree with most of here, the CPU takes too much 3's. I'm not really bugged by it, because there is a simple fix with the slider's tendency, but the whole point of this is to have a default slider by correcting attributes and tendencies of players. So you might want to look at it.

2. Isomotion. There is also an easy fix with this through the sliders, but I think lowering down it abit can help.

3. Blocks and Steals. Too many of them.

4. Cheesing with superstars, I can still do it, but hey this is very hard to adjust bec. they have to be rated good so if we play with them, they will act like their real life counterparts.

5. CPU taking too many early shots, the scores and attempts are inflated. My per quarter average is 35-45pts. Maybe coach profile fix with run plays and tempo? I haven't adjusted the rules, and I think it can help a lot with this through dead ball situations.

I like the fact that you have lowered the attributes for lay-ups and close shots, and increased the mid tendency, if I were to make my own roster, I would have done the same.

Keep up the great work, I'll post my stats the next games I'll have. And if you don't mind I'll tweak the sliders a bit for realism. I'll post here which ones I touched, and maybe you can incorporate it with the roster? I like games to be really really hard though, so the sliders may favor the CPU more.

Thanks again!

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by tjnigs

Hi Neon1, First of all thanks for making and sharing a project like this for all of us. I know how much time you spend on editing each team. (I'm on PS3 and editing the two teams available for us is already a buzz, how about 30 right?) Anyway, here are my findings, comments and suggestions. Hope it will be useful for you. 1. I agree with most of here, the CPU takes too much 3's. I'm not really bugged by it, because there is a simple fix with the slider's tendency, but the whole point of this is to have a default slider by correcting attributes and tendencies of players. So you might want to look at it. 2. Isomotion. There is also an easy fix with this through the sliders, but I think lowering down it abit can help. 3. Blocks and Steals. Too many of them. 4. Cheesing with superstars, I can still do it, but hey this is very hard to adjust bec. they have to be rated good so if we play with them, they will act like their real life counterparts. 5. CPU taking too many early shots, the scores and attempts are inflated. My per quarter average is 35-45pts. Maybe coach profile fix with run plays and tempo? I haven't adjusted the rules, and I think it can help a lot with this through dead ball situations. I like the fact that you have lowered the attributes for lay-ups and close shots, and increased the mid tendency, if I were to make my own roster, I would have done the same. Keep up the great work, I'll post my stats the next games I'll have. And if you don't mind I'll tweak the sliders a bit for realism. I'll post here which ones I touched, and maybe you can incorporate it with the roster? I like games to be really really hard though, so the sliders may favor the CPU more. Thanks again!

Im confused a little bit. If you are on PS3 how would you have my ratings?

1. Are you using only my Coach Profile Numbers, only just my TOTAL individual player rating and tendency changes? Or Both of them?

2. If so, when were they copied, because we have tweaked ratings and profiles several times already, and if your not able to download like these guys are, i dont see how you could possibly be using the current setup that we are testing.

These guys are downloading constant updates from me.

And If your using my initial tendencies your using a WAAY different scale then we are. Just write down the Clo,Mid,3pt,Drive and Dunk tendencies of the some star player (let me know which of course) and i can tell you if you are playing the same thing as we are.

[balage76]

I think tjnigs played with the ratings uploaded by Stizz on page #9. He made a spreadsheet from the attrtibutes, tendencies and coach profiles of the Heat and Hornets !

I think, he used this, because this Stizz spreadsheet is the only one spreadsheet here.

But after this, Neon made some changes, so the ratings includes by stizz spreadsheet, isn't fresh.

THIS IS THE REASON, THAT I SAY: Can somebody write the ratings and tendencies and coach profs in excel ? 2 teams with the newest ratings, etc,etc.

I think it's not so much work. One guy make example the Lakers, anothr one makes the 76ers. If One man makes 2 teams (attributes, tendencies, coach profiles) it's about 10-15 minutes.
And everybody, who can play only PC or PS3, can use this amazing thing.

BUT: We need yet just 2 teams, because there'll be some other changes, and making all teams spreadsheet is not good, just when Neon 'll make the last slickings.

So please, make 2 teams spreadsheet for PC and PS3 users. And when Neon are going to finish this great work, and everybody played bunch of test game, and the results will be the best, some guys can make all spreadsheets.

I feel myself actionless. I really want to help something, but as I am on PC, I can't nothing, because all the works are on xbox.

The only thing I can do (help) (and any other PC, PS3 players), that we play some test games. But we need some team's ratings, tendencies, coach profs to play test games.

Thank you !


P.S.: Watch the games played in the NBA yesterday by Dallas- New York and Spurs - Clips.

- you 'll see many threes (Dallas: 27 attempts, Knicks 31 ! Spurs 29 )

- you'll see Spurs made 29 assist,

- you 'll see Clips made just 12 Free Throw Attempt, Spurs JUST 8 !!!!!, Knicks 13.

- you'll see Dallas had 14 steals

So play many games on 2k9 to see what is a real problem and what is only a one game thing.

[ffaacc03]

Quote: Originally Posted by balage76

I think tjnigs played with the ratings uploaded by Stizz on page #9. He made a spreadsheet from the attrtibutes, tendencies and coach profiles of the Heat and Hornets ! I think, he used this, because this Stizz spreadsheet is the only one spreadsheet here. But after this, Neon made some changes, so the ratings includes by stizz spreadsheet, isn't fresh. THIS IS THE REASON, THAT I SAY: Can somebody write the ratings and tendencies and coach profs in excel ? 2 teams with the newest ratings, etc,etc. I think it's not so much work. One guy make example the Lakers, anothr one makes the 76ers. If One man makes 2 teams (attributes, tendencies, coach profiles) it's about 10-15 minutes. And everybody, who can play only PC or PS3, can use this amazing thing. BUT: We need yet just 2 teams, because there'll be some other changes, and making all teams spreadsheet is not good, just when Neon 'll make the last slickings. So please, make 2 teams spreadsheet for PC and PS3 users. And when Neon are going to finish this great work, and everybody played bunch of test game, and the results will be the best, some guys can make all spreadsheets. I feel myself actionless. I really want to help something, but as I am on PC, I can't nothing, because all the works are on xbox. The only thing I can do (help) (and any other PC, PS3 players), that we play some test games. But we need some team's ratings, tendencies, coach profs to play test games. Thank you ! P.S.: Watch the games played in the NBA yesterday by Dallas- New York and Spurs - Clips. - you 'll see many threes (Dallas: 27 attempts, Knicks 31 ! Spurs 29 ) - you'll see Spurs made 29 assist, - you 'll see Clips made just 12 Free Throw Attempt, Spurs JUST 8 !!!!!, Knicks 13. - you'll see Dallas had 14 steals So play many games on 2k9 to see what is a real problem and what is only a one game thing.

Balage, when I did my work of redoing nogster ratings, it took me 20 min to write down each player ratings and another 20 min with the coach & players tendencies ... 40 to 45 min (per team) really focused on doing that ... and I was only copying them ...

Neon !, more props on you for redoing everything from ground 0 ! ... and making it work !

My Considerations:

I have only being able to watch it play (10 halves so far) very late at night (with the previous CHI file update) and I have yet to write down any stats but I did find some common things:

1. The teams tend to shoot 3s a little bit more than reality (with ORL, HEAT & NO being the happy ones) the avg is around 30 or something ... it does make a difference to play on AS or PRO instead of HOF

2. The PIP of all the teams are still a little bit high (between 45 - 52%) with ORL (obviously and understandable), HEAT & LA being the favored ones.

3. Dont lower the ORB scale just yet, because if you confirm that the 3s are up and you lower them down you would have less rebounds and even less with a lowered ORB scale.

4. Consider to recheck the assits scale ... I know that the correct thing should be to make a formula or scale that affects everyone equally ... but if you just found that the problem with the low assists was only related to fowards, imput a factor that only affects them ... because now the PGs are really taking advantage to the subtle overall boost edit.

5. It seems that the high steals and blocks rate is related to the style of play and not your system, so its ok.