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[ffaacc03]

Quote: Originally Posted by RAZRr1275

I'm the same way. I don't like doing things the conventianal way math ways and am always attempting to find other, shorter ways. I also always got math better when applied to sports but when it was discussed in class I lost track occaisionally.

Me too ! I even did one Calculus and one Statistics exams without any calculator (I unnintentionally broke mine that day ... and all my friends were taking the exam with me, so I couldnt get one borrowed) and without giving any exact final responses I got an 85 and a 78 ...

[Bearsfan1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Neon1

Not even close. Matter of fact i never took anything higher than algebra 1 in high school, And get D's and "Partials". I used to get too frustrated. The teachers i had in highschool would tell me..."OK..How did you get this answer correct?..because you didnt solve it the way you told you too...this way doesnt make sense, so you get a partial." "I was always like...how could i have solved it "wrong" if the answer is right? Morons. Until i got to college, where they appreciate free thinking instead of only being a slave to what they were told is the right/only way. So my highschool teachers might tell you im dumb *** a brick, College teacher might tell you im borderline genius. I learn/see "differently" than the norm is what the college said, i cant follow/retain patterns on how to get an answer, but if you give me an answer im able to figure out how to get to it. Like my brain learns in reverse so to speak.

Yeah I hear ya, College is sooooo much better. Algebra 1 is where I finished at in high school and I don't have to take a single math class in college because I'm going to school for Computer Animation.

[RAZRr1275]

Quote: Originally Posted by ffaacc03

Me too ! I even did one Calculus and one Statistics exams without any calculator (I unnintentionally broke mine that day ... and all my friends were taking the exam with me, so I couldnt get one borrowed) and without giving any exact final responses I got an 85 and a 78 ...

If I worked hard enough I'd eventually get it but I'd prefer how many homeruns will _____________ player hit next year over what chance do you have to pull ________ color jelly bean.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by balage76

#1 Hmmm ! I'll be very happy, if we can find some way to change CPU's playbooks. Assigned the best plays, and it 'll be better, than CPU 'll usemany play as he can. BTW is it a method to change this ? Or what Simballer22 did ? ---------------- #2 I played a game: Heat vs. Hornets. In the first half I was the Heat. 1st quarter: I set Hornets playbook to HORNETS. They shot from mid, shot many threes. Just these 3s arn't unrealistic, but I think my defense was the real problem, but I think it needs to do something with this "3point-fest" by the CPU. 1st Q: Hornets (CPU) 14/23 FG 5/9 3pt 12 ast (Paul 10 ast !!! ) 12 reb 12 PiP 1st Q: Heat (User) 10/24 FG 7 ast 8 reb 16PiP 2nd quarter: Hornets--> 11/22 FG 3/8 3pt 7 ast (Paul just 1) 9 reb 2 stl 14 PiP Heat (user) --> 11/20 7 ast 10 reb 14 PiP In the 2nd hald I switch to Hornets, because I'd like to see how play the Heat. In the coaching profile, their playbook was MIAMI. Unfortunately they shot many from the paint, just 2 from midrange. And many 3s. In the last quarter I changed their Playbook to STANDARD. It was a little bit better, but not significantly. Wade playing like Wade, scores 28 pts, from 20+ attempt, so it was O.K, and his style was "Wadeish" Things I saw during the game: - Rebounds are absolutley O.K. I really love, that I 'm able to grab the defensive rebounds. Because before, with another rosters and sliders, it was a little bit difficult. CPU has so many Off reb, and I haven't. With your ratings rebounding is like in real life. - Blocks: On thing I set in the global sliders: Blocking. Like I said before, there were too many blocks. I set blocking slider (Both user and CPU) to 25, and it was O.K. Like in real life Steal attempt was O.K, It was many reaching fouls. Paul "on ball steal" is 98, therefore he always try to steal the ball, and therefore he got 3 reaching fouls. I lower the NBA RULES "reaching foul sliders" to 60 and it was O.K. (I think default 50 is so low.) I really like the "some open shots missing" thing. ----------- In the game I played, there were so many assists. 28 or more, I don't remember. BUT: there are many points, 110, so I think it's not a big problem. (But in the first half, Paul has 11 ast !!! ) I think the lot of assists are because of RUN PLAYS are on 53 (both Hornets and Heat.) Before Neon's ratings I realize, that Run plays effects the assists in the game. When Run Plays set to 50 or more, there are way too many assist. In real life there are about 20-25, or maximum 30 ast. Set Run play to under 50 is better. I think. Heat shots too much from the paint AGAIN. Today I played 2 games, and Heat played frequent inside game. Haslem, Beasley scores too much frm the paint. Last thing: FOULS. I think it needs to make better. Maybe with the contest shot ratings or commit fouls. I don't know. AND: I think, some thing could be set by the global sliders. Or not ? As I mentioned, I set the blocking and it was O.K. I think close, mid, 3pt, etc sliders don't have to change, but some other things makes better I think. (Fouls, etc) Tomorrow, I'm going to test some thing further. Peace

I told you those two teams arent re-edited with the 2nd version of the changed tendencies, so UNTIL i re-edit them it will CONTINUE to be too much inside.

As for the testing, i dont know if you can really test tendencies if YOU are controlling them. Once a human user enters the mix YOU become the biggest part of the A.I.

A.I. becomes null and void. Even for the team your playing against somewhat, because the way you play changes their best available options.

In a real game someone like JJ Redick isnt going to drive to the hole frequently, BUT if his man doesnt guard him correctly or adjust to it he will keep doing it. If they get out of his way, he will go in at lay it up. Same as he catches the ball at the 3pt any they dont guard him or not near enough he hill shoot it.

Same goes with someone reaching at the ball. If you just stand there in with the ball in front of them of course they are going to reach at it. You have to adjust. This is the reason why Point Guards go into almost a Back to the Basket position while dribling or setting up plays, they have to turn and protect the ball or the defender will try to take it.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by ffaacc03

I too was shock at first ... because of the narrow gap ratings ... but then again, this is addressed by the potential rating ... and if it plays and sims good ... it is perfect for me ! On the other hand, Neon, 2 question comes to my mind: 1. Could it be possible that this programm tends to favor the more all around players and not neccesarilly the better ones ? ... I mean ... Would Magic have a better total rating than MJ, because he could rebound and pass the ball better while being a good offensive and defensive player ... or Wade more than MJ ... 2. Does it alters your programm results if we switch the positions of the players ?

For question #2. There are certain positions that are HEAAAAAVY weighted to certain skills. Most notibly PG switched to SG. BIG change. Not just my roster but ANY
2K based roster. You move ANY primary position PG to SG and you will see thier overall rating jump up around +4 to +6 points.

Thats why Jason Terry and Ben Gordan are always rated so high. Its because they are really just bad point guards that are being grouped with shooting gaurds.

I never list shoot first small combo guards as primary SG
because of this. It skews the players overall value too much (high) and they wont come off the bench like they should and worse you will be able to trade for stars etc.


Ben Gordon will play like Ben Gordon regardless of his player value (aka his overall). Same for Terry. And Barbosa. It doesnt matter in quick play but really throws things (trades,free agency, rotations,etc.) out of whack in association.

Magic? I couldnt tell you unless i recreate them using thier data. Which i could do, just havent. My hunch is that Jordan would get the nod, because Magic's handles and defense would make his overall take a hit.

Id almost undoubtably probably have to list them both at SF to get a equally weighted answer. As the other positions have big weights in them and SF is the middle ground.

[Neon1]

Think of it this way. People put Lebron and kobe at 99 shot tendency. Now sit think about how often a game touch the ball and then pass it away...

Now think about if a player ever decided to take EVERY SINGLE SHOT NOMATTER WHAT as long as he got to touch it and this IS humanly possible...anybody could do it if they choose too....If Lebron and Kobe are 99...what would that guys shot rating be?


EDIT: 360 2KShare "Neon1 v1.10 w/revised P.I.P. edits"
OR JUST GO TO NEWSET ROSTER DOWNLOADS...ITS EASIER.

Fixed p.i.p. edits for 8-10 teams so far, pending OKC and DEN (gotta go to work now).

DOWNLOAD TRY ANY TEAM AND LET ME KNOW!! LA v HOU was awesome on HOF earlier did i get it right?

[totalownership]

When you do the Knicks let me know.

[frank70]

Hi neon,

what about the simulated stats in association? The player stats seem to be spot on.

But the game results seem to be rather random. I simulated three seasons and the good teams aren't as good as they should be.

Is there a way to change the team ratings without changing the player ratings?

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by frank70

Hi neon, what about the simulated stats in association? The player stats seem to be spot on. But the game results seem to be rather random. I simulated three seasons and the good teams aren't as good as they should be. Is there a way to change the team ratings without changing the player ratings?

They are only random right now because ive only edited 10 teams. The other 20 have another roster makers ratings in place until i get to them to change them. And since i started editing the good/popular teams first they will suffer in the standings until i bring the rest of the league down to earth. You should also see rebounding numbers start to jump up significantly since i have teams actually shooting jumpers instead of layups all game.

Team W/L will start looking more normal as more teams get fixed. Basically the other 20 teams are on steriods right now because they are so overated in Points in the Paint and Crazy high Close ratings, players being 99's etc..

[King Gro23]

Quote: Originally Posted by tjnigs

Btw, to other roster editors, is it true that maxing out the shot tendency leads to lesser shots for star players as far as shot distribution goes? Is this true for simulated games or in games actually played? Bec. I find the shot tendency effective for player edits in real games, what you guys think?

It leads to a good amount of shots, but players by the stats seem to take awful shots. I did this project with the cavaliers and Lebron couldn't hit nothing the whole season and he got his shots. He was shooting 36% from the field and led the league in shots by far. Kobe, Dwyane, LBJ, Dirk, and Devin Harris were all below 40% shooting