GAMEPLAY POSSIBLY FIXED.....CHECK OUT THE COACH SLIDERS AND TENDENCIES.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigpun23

when are u going to finish the updates?

Im working on finishing updating the rookies right now. The only potential edits im doing so far are bottoming out the scrubs to 50. Scrubs meaning non rotation old guys and/or fringe NBA players (min contract, nbdl, europe type guys etc).

[bigpun23]

ok cool ur going to put zone defense way down right ? cuz in ur recent update there were always one person wide open and the comp wouldent play d

[totalownership]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigpun23

ok cool ur going to put zone defense way down right ? cuz in ur recent update there were always one person wide open and the comp wouldent play d

What were the circumstances? I've only seen the cpu play zone very few occasions , enough for it to be an oddity and refreshing when it did occur. Only when I had my second squad out there. Once I put my starters back in hoping they would still play zone they stopped. This was against the Celtics. Other than that I haven't seen zone much at all.

[nogster]

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Dude seriously what is your deal?

im giving feedback and input on issues that you or your users may not of realized..
you asked for feedback on this and i did so, but also gave a legit reason as to why its the case.
its constructive criticism man....isnt this what the thread is for.

i dont think your rating system is a good one man...its flawed because you have chosen to ignore the overall ratings importance.
as ive said time and time again...like it or not..overall ratings have significant importance to the game.. contrary to what some people say, 2ks rating system is designed that way.
you yourself have said overall ratings mean nothing..well its clear they do within association.

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If my ratings are so wrong and everybodys are right then why do a billion sliders have to be applied to get the same or near same results?

well that statement is incorrect.
the outsiders rosters dont need sliders applied for them to get the same or good results.
but sliders are there to personalize and refine certain things the individual may want to change or play like.
take my sliders for instance, they are how i personally like to play the game. they are not the right way, or only sliders you should use if using the outsiders roster...
the default sliders play fine with my roster, but i prefer using mine..
its personal taste.

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Would i be right to jump in your thread every week saying "hey everybody, im not bashing his hard work but, did you know that they only play this way because of all the sliders and its not his ratings?"

incorrect statment.
and you are welcome to be constructively critical. but its not the sliders, and its not the ratings.
its the coach profiles and player tendencies..
cmon neon..you know they are primarily the most important part of the single player game.
you could use the default ratings, and your tendencies/coach profiles and still get the "neon" experience...all you would need to do is lower the shooting success game sliders a bit and you wouldnt notice a difference.
that would be the same with the outsiders roster too.
but ive improved and updated the ratings so that the overall is more realistic to the value of the players and the teams as they currently are, this is a very important part of the ratings.
with the inbalanced nature of the overall ratings in your roster, you get inbalanced trades, teams simmed win/loss success will be even more random than usual, and the rotations will go out of wack as soon as the cpu takes control of the teams in association/season..because you have some starters with lower ratings than their bench counterparts.

and because you are using such a rigid rating formula. you get some real wacked ratings man..
i mean how do explain jameer nelson [96] being by far the highest mid range rated player in the game...higher than dirk [88], kobe [88], rip [88] nash [88] allen [89] .
yeah his shooting %s have been awesome this season, but cmon!!
and there are many many others that just made me scratch my head. i understand that you dont come up with the numbers yourself, that they are calculated within a formula. but then the formula is incorrect man...when you have kwame brown and maxiell [86] and even big ben wallace [85] being the same or more skilled offensive post players than the like of sheed wallace [80], joneal [82] gasol [81] boozer [86] garnett [81], well surely there is something wrong with the formula??
i think you know a LOT more about the nba players and their styles than your mathematical formulas do, and your roster would be soooo much better if you used your own judgements on ratings than a formula that cannot be accurate within 2ks rating system. dont you?

im going to leave this alone now..
ive given you some constructive criticism man..
take it for what it is.

[Monta8]

why does my game freeze everytime i finish loadin neon1 v1.96? happened 3 straight times

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

im giving feedback and input on issues that you or your users may not of realized.. you asked for feedback on this and i did so, but also gave a legit reason as to why its the case. its constructive criticism man....isnt this what the thread is for. i dont think your rating system is a good one man...its flawed because you have chosen to ignore the overall ratings importance. as ive said time and time again...like it or not..overall ratings have significant importance to the game.. contrary to what some people say, 2ks rating system is designed that way. you yourself have said overall ratings mean nothing..well its clear they do within association. well that statement is incorrect. the outsiders rosters dont need sliders applied for them to get the same or good results. but sliders are there to personalize and refine certain things the individual may want to change or play like. take my sliders for instance, they are how i personally like to play the game. they are not the right way, or only sliders you should use if using the outsiders roster... the default sliders play fine with my roster, but i prefer using mine.. its personal taste. incorrect statment. and you are welcome to be constructively critical. but its not the sliders, and its not the ratings. its the coach profiles and player tendencies.. cmon neon..you know they are primarily the most important part of the single player game. you could use the default ratings, and your tendencies/coach profiles and still get the "neon" experience...all you would need to do is lower the shooting success game sliders a bit and you wouldnt notice a difference. that would be the same with the outsiders roster too. but ive improved and updated the ratings so that the overall is more realistic to the value of the players and the teams as they currently are, this is a very important part of the ratings. with the inbalanced nature of the overall ratings in your roster, you get inbalanced trades, teams simmed win/loss success will be even more random than usual, and the rotations will go out of wack as soon as the cpu takes control of the teams in association/season..because you have some starters with lower ratings than their bench counterparts. and because you are using such a rigid rating formula. you get some real wacked ratings man.. i mean how do explain jameer nelson [96] being by far the highest mid range rated player in the game...higher than dirk [88], kobe [88], rip [88] nash [88] allen [89] . yeah his shooting %s have been awesome this season, but cmon!! and there are many many others that just made me scratch my head. i understand that you dont come up with the numbers yourself, that they are calculated within a formula. but then the formula is incorrect man...when you have kwame brown and maxiell [86] and even big ben wallace [85] being the same or more skilled offensive post players than the like of sheed wallace [80], joneal [82] gasol [81] boozer [86] garnett [81], well surely there is something wrong with the formula?? i think you know a LOT more about the nba players and their styles than your mathematical formulas do, and your roster would be soooo much better if you used your own judgements on ratings than a formula that cannot be accurate within 2ks rating system. dont you? im going to leave this alone now.. ive given you some constructive criticism man.. take it for what it is.

You have to throw the shooting sliders in to make them shoot a realistic percentage and THATS NOT flawed?

The reason Jameer is rated higher in mid range over them is because HE HITS THEM AT THAT MUCH OF A HIGHER CLIP.

You want to see how fact stacks up versus your opinion? Click the link and look up those players you mentioned then look up Jameer.

www.nba.com/hotspots/

You like to use base opinion over fact, and i dont. I base mine off fact and then make small alterations based off opinion.

Thats why when you use your opinion, you then have to go in after yourself and alter "reality" in a sense by changing and altering the sucess sliders. If your putting in the right numbers for sucess then WHY do you need to go in and alter the sucess sliders for things?

The FACT of the matter is your rating system AND the 2K rating system is whacked and THAT is why the system has to be cheated with the global sliders to make gameplay realistic.

If there were NOTHING wrong with the ratings you wouldnt be forced to use all those sliders to basically undo what you caused with your ratings.

The problem with what YOUR doing is trying to apply numbers where numbers dont apply. All you see is a number that doesnt even belong there in the first place. Whats KG's real post number?

The real Kwame Brown doesnt have a "post rating number", Nor Does KG or anybody else, all they have is what they do on the court and the numbers they put up.

WHO CARES if Ben Wallaces number is higher than KG, do you see Ben Wallace putting up 4-5 freaking points a game. He dominates NO ONE. Do you see Ben Wallace doing Harlem Shakes out of the post and murdering you with deadly post jumpers? NO YOU DONT. Does KG? YES HE DOES. Is KG capable of doing everything he does IRL? Yes he is.

All those big guys your talking about dont complete post moves they catch in the post and then fade away for jumpers outside the blocks, or they face up and shoot jumpers. They arent really low post players, when you raise thier post to high they play out of character and think they are Shaq. Or the player can cheese and use them like they are Shaq. They DO NOT SCORE in that fashion.


IF THE RATING NUMBERS WERE HIDDEN FROM VIEW (like it is in real life), THIS WOULDNT EVEN BE A DISCUSSION. NOBODY would think a thing of them.

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigpun23

ok cool ur going to put zone defense way down right ? cuz in ur recent update there were always one person wide open and the comp wouldent play d

Yeah i moved the scale down some, about 25% i guess. I want to see if this is actually a cause of guys left open or not without completely removing the occasional zone. If its still edvident ill keep bumping it down more until its workable.

[nogster]

im sorry but i dissagree on everything you said in that post..

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If there were NOTHING wrong with the ratings you wouldnt be forced to use all those sliders to basically undo what you caused with your ratings.

i just explained in my last post about this.....you dont have to use sliders with my ratings..i use them for personal taste.
i dont like rebs at default 50...i prefer them lower because it adds to the realism..so i lower the reb sliders. i would have to do this with your roster too, because your rebs scale is the same as mine and 2ks.
i prefer quickness at 0. to me the players flow smoother..
personal choice...
there is NOTHING wrong with my ratings..i work within 2ks rating system, they work within the game.

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The problem with what YOUR doing is trying to apply numbers where numbers dont apply. All you see is a number that doesnt even belong there in the first place. Whats KG's real post number?

what are you talking about??? are we playing the same game here? wtf.. im trying to apply ratings where they dont apply?
dude. there is an off post and def post rating IN THE GAME. you cant just ignore that. its designed to be used.. .lol...
whats kgs real post number? dude. this is a videogame? the post off attribute indicates the SKILL of the player when in the posting up animation. how many moves he has at his disposal, and how effectively he pulls them off. its there to be used...and you just ignore it or throw in some bizzare calculation that depicts nothing of that attributes purpose...

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The real Kwame Brown doesnt have a "post rating number", Nor Does KG or anybody else, all they have is what they do on the court and the numbers they put up.

were not dealing with the real kwame brown here . .we are dealing with the virtual players..and they do have a post rating...and anyone would know that brown and kg are worlds apart in post offense skill.

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WHO CARES if Ben Wallaces number is higher than KG, do you see Ben Wallace putting up 4-5 freaking points a game. He dominates NO ONE. Do you see Ben Wallace doing Harlem Shakes out of the post and murdering you with deadly post jumpers? NO YOU DONT. Does KG? YES HE DOES. Is KG capable of doing everything he does IRL? Yes he is.

who cares if ben wallaces number is higher than kgs?
man if you want a realistic roster, you should care.
and you know why big ben is averaging 5pts a game, etc..etc..because his tendencies dictate he wont. but i bet you I the user could be pretty effective with big ben with my back to the basket with your roster.. your rating dictates it.

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All those big guys your talking about dont complete post moves they catch in the post and then fade away for jumpers outside the blocks, or they face up and shoot jumpers. They arent really low post players, when you raise thier post to high they play out of character and think they are Shaq. Or the player can cheese and use them like they are Shaq. They DO NOT SCORE in that fashion.

oh so because boozer or kg can face up and shoot in your face, they shouldnt have a better post offense rating than big ben or kwame brown or the other stiffs you have as effective post players.? and about the shaq analogy....that holds no water either, as the backdown ability in 2k9 is strength. not post offense,
dude i dont get you...this is nba2k.. there is a system in place that clearly works and has for years, and you ignore it because you think the numbers shouldnt count or something?

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IF THE RATING NUMBERS WAS HIDDEN (like it is in real life), THIS WOULDNT EVEN BE A DISCUSSION. NOBODY would think a thing of them.

BUT IT ISNT HIDDEN. they are there to be used, they contribute significantly to the game, and are important. so use them.

judging by that post...it seems to me you have little understanding of 2ks rating system.. that or you are too arrogant to accept the truth of the matter.

[DC]

Damn whats goin on in here

[Neon1]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

im sorry but i dissagree on everything you said in that post.. i just explained in my last post about this.....you dont have to use sliders with my ratings..i use them for personal taste. i dont like rebs at default 50...i prefer them lower because it adds to the realism..so i lower the reb sliders. i would have to do this with your roster too, because your rebs scale is the same as mine and 2ks. i prefer quickness at 0. to me the players flow smoother.. personal choice... there is NOTHING wrong with my ratings..i work within 2ks rating system, they work within the game. what are you talking about??? are we playing the same game here? wtf.. im trying to apply ratings where they dont apply? dude. there is an off post and def post rating IN THE GAME. you cant just ignore that. its designed to be used.. .lol... whats kgs real post number? dude. this is a videogame? the post off attribute indicates the SKILL of the player when in the posting up animation. how many moves he has at his disposal, and how effectively he pulls them off. its there to be used...and you just ignore it or throw in some bizzare calculation that depicts nothing of that attributes purpose... were not dealing with the real kwame brown here . .we are dealing with the virtual players..and they do have a post rating...and anyone would know that brown and kg are worlds apart in post offense skill. who cares if ben wallaces number is higher than kgs? man if you want a realistic roster, you should care. and you know why big ben is averaging 5pts a game, etc..etc..because his tendencies dictate he wont. but i bet you I the user could be pretty effective with big ben with my back to the basket with your roster.. your rating dictates it. oh so because boozer or kg can face up and shoot in your face, they shouldnt have a better post offense rating than big ben or kwame brown or the other stiffs you have as effective post players.? and about the shaq analogy....that holds no water either, as the backdown ability in 2k9 is strength. not post offense, dude i dont get you...this is nba2k.. there is a system in place that clearly works and has for years, and you ignore it because you think the numbers shouldnt count or something? BUT IT ISNT HIDDEN. they are there to be used, they contribute significantly to the game, and are important. so use them. judging by that post...it seems to me you have little understanding of 2ks rating system.. that or you are too arrogant to accept the truth of the matter.

Ok dude. I understand so little that YOU have to borrow stuff from my roster, who is the one having to adjust the way they do things? You or me? Who is the one that went along with jacking the close shots and close and drive tendencies through the roof and then couldnt figure out why every shot would be in the paint? Then write it off as "the system is broken".

I mean, how could anyone be confused as to the simple fact of, if you tell the cpu to take all its shots inside (with your edits), low and behold the computer is going to take all its shots inside. To not grasp something as elementy as that, i wouldnt be questioning anyones "lack of knowlege of the system".

I am NOT using 2ks rating system. PERIOD. I am manipulating numbers to make the computer do what i want it to do, and at what rate and with what success. Stop trying to make or convince me to not venture outside of 2K's system because you either a) dont know how to manipulate numbers or b) are just scared too. If you want to rate like 2k does go right ahead because i, unlike you, dont spend my time focusing on what other peoples rosters are doing or who is using who's rosters, WHO CARES? Nobody is getting paid off of this.

If you think you can go out and dominate and win games with Ben Wallace as you featured offensive player then go right ahead, good luck with that, If you take enough shots you might get 20 with him but youd be hella inefficent and more than likely get blown out. Just like what would happen if the cavs did the same. Dikembe Mutombo averaged 17ppg his rookie year because they gave him the ball a ton in the post, why did it stop? Because it was inefficent as hell.


At the end of the day how about this, You do what you do, and let me do what i do.