GAMEPLAY POSSIBLY FIXED.....CHECK OUT THE COACH SLIDERS AND TENDENCIES.

[Grizz]

no, you're not the only one. I have tried everything from loading different rosters and settings to letting my xbox cool down to cleaning my disc. It ONLY freezes when Neons roster version 1.30 (uploaded Feb 3) is loaded for a quick game.
Your rosters worked for about 2 games and then boom. Not sure, kinda weird.
Any thoughts, anyone?

[ad2255]

Quote: Originally Posted by Grizz

no, you're not the only one. I have tried everything from loading different rosters and settings to letting my xbox cool down to cleaning my disc. It ONLY freezes when Neons roster version 1.30 (uploaded Feb 3) is loaded for a quick game. Your rosters worked for about 2 games and then boom. Not sure, kinda weird. Any thoughts, anyone?

I have the same problem, not only the 1.30 ver, even the 1.96 had the same freeze problems man......

What happen???

[nogster]

guys..there is a HUGE flaw with this roster..
specifically for those who want to play association with them.

im giving you guys the headsup.
i dont mean to take away from what neon has done for the community.
as a quick play roster, it plays a fine game.
but not association.

because the player ratings have been completely overhauled and the OVERALL ratings are all wacked....your association will be way out of balance and all manner of crazy trades can be done.

its all fair and well that neons roster has been done via pure stat inputs.. but his formula has caused the OVERALL ratings to be inbalanced..and the overall rating is vitally important if you want a fair and balanced association...fact.
for all you people that say that the overall rating means NOTHING...well your incorrect..within the association. it means everything!

you guys that are taking the hours and hours translating neons project...i advise if you are doing so with the intent to play associations. ONLY incorportate neons player tendencies..
if you mess with the ratings...you will get a highly flawed game..

case in point..

to test this very obvious issue..
i took the knicks into an association..
the highly flawed knicks roster, with no stars, no real tradable assets [other than lee] and in big salary cap problems..and in 5 simple trades..i have built them into an instant contender.

1st trade.
eddy curry, jerome james, 1st round pick
4
joe johnson! thomas gardner, 2nd round pick..

2nd trade.
chris duhon, tim thomas
4
iguodala, theo ratliff.


4th trade.
marbury
4
kidd.!

harrington, malik rose, a roberson
4
chris bosh

so now the knicks rotation after these simple trades look like this
kidd
joe johnson
iguodala
lee
bosh
qrich
wilson chandler.
nate robinson

see what i mean.
and this is why i dont agree with fundamentally changing rating systems etc..as the game wasnt designed to support it.

this roster is flawed for association, season play guys,
simply because the overall ratings are all out of wack and imbalanced.
so whether you guys like it or not, the OVERALL RATINGS are very important to the integrity of the game..
this proves it without a shadow of a doubt.

[CD90]

I don't have problems with this roster in association mode.
Such trades didn't happen.
Nogster, you could do this trades with your roster,too ;-)
(but it would be cheating)

The only problem i have is that Dwight leads the league with 12Rebounds per game.
Way too low. But his numbers are correct when i sim a seaon (season mode). Crazy.

[balage76]

And if I don't make trades and don't leave the CPU to make a trade in a seaseon, is the roster working good ?

Understand, what I ask ?

[CD90]

I think i know what you wanted to say ;-)

Yeah, the roster will be gworking good

[swill]

Wow, it's actually freezing if any roster other than stock is loaded. I just loaded the OS Outsiders roster and it froze in quick game menu! This blows.

[nogster]

Quote:

I don't have problems with this roster in association mode. Such trades didn't happen. Nogster, you could do this trades with your roster,too ;-) (but it would be cheating)

dude. you couldnt do those trades with the o.s outsider roster..
i tried and tested..
because the overall rating discrepency wont let it happen.

neons potential edits are better than mine though...well, i didnt really touch potential so mine are basically defaults anyway..

[ffaacc03]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

dude. you couldnt do those trades with the o.s outsider roster.. i tried and tested.. because the overall rating discrepency wont let it happen. neons potential edits are better than mine though...well, i didnt really touch potential so mine are basically defaults anyway..

That is a problem with the ingame processor of trades, it has a wide range of acceptancee ... with Neons I got Lebron by giving Hill & Barbosa & 1st pick ... with Nogster I got some pretty unfair trades too ... and the CPU if you leave it alone it does some wacky trades too ...

Neon & Nogster: Consider the possibility of separating the potential even more so there are less anomalies.

[Neon1]

Okay people. I havent been around more due to work than the whole pregnancy thing. I had to work 8am-10+pm every day this week, by ther time i get home at 11 im burnt and it was time to go to sleep to be back up. For those that MUST know, im not a pimp lol I work in a laboratory doing some tests for the state. Sometimes hours get a little insane, but this week has been unlike anytime ive ever experienced at work.


Read through a quick few pages:

Issues:

1. Trade Logic
Trade logic has NOT ever been thouroly tested enough to find the right scale size. It was planned to start finding the answers to the right size of potential ratings to balance out trades.

Eddie Curry is at a 64 potential, he is supposed to have a -8 added to his potential or taken down to 50 like i did for guys like Marbury,Tinsley types.

I havent gone through all the players to add in the "team cancer/lazy player/bad unwanted contract" type guys yet.

That is why as of now its possible to cheese trades if you try to do so yourself. The cpu trades dont really happen much though.

It IS something that was expected but i cannot know who's potential needs to be edited without somebody testing, to intentionally pull off unacceptable trades like Nogster did. I need tests done to add corection factors.


Roster Updates i.e. Trades etc.
YES i will be doing roster updates like you would be getting with the insider. Normally i get them up pretty much as they happen but like i said this past work week was the most insane thing ive ever seen, so it prevented me from doing my thing. This crazy schedule isnt the norm and i dont anticipate it to continue.


Zone Denfenses possibly creating too many open shooters
Im going to lower the scale here back to single digits like i originally had them. For example if a team has a 44 Zone D, take them down to 4. If they have a 36, make them a 4..etc. I dont really know why i changed it in the first place honestly lol.


PS3,PC, ETC
I havent touched the game at all since i uploaded monday morning, so the final changes are not completed. Im off weekends, so im going to finish those pending edits (now that i have some time) Update rosters, Update Rookies tendencies and try and make some more potential edits to guys that need trade value lowered still and then get you guys your info.


Hibbert 15-17 foot jumpers and what is the correct defensive position to be in question

Guarding the ballhandler, is about staying BETWEEN your man and the BASKET. Pressure is ok but you MUST NOT overpressure to the point of giving your man a wide open look by ending up in a defensive position BEHIND OR BESIDE the man you are guarding.

Hibbert DOES shoot a good number of jumpers. As does Rasho, Tony Battie etc. Its not ALL they shoot but they shoot a good number of them in comparison to thier overall number of shots. He IS a rookie and his numbers
have likely changed, but as i said i didnt have the time to go back over their numbers again.

http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/2...ers-hot-spots/

Scroll Down a little and you will find Hibbert. Its not a surpise or unlikey that he hit a couple jumpers against you, its just that lots of times people have assumptions about players based on what they look like or thier size, so until you see it with your own eyes nobody realizes that players have more skills then they may have assumed.

Just like many people had no idea that Big Baby and Tony Battie had good/decent 15-17 foot shots until it was on display during nationaly telivised games.