The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

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Since 2k12 is now the king of the stage, we will once again be sharing the knowledge that Rashidi has of this itineration and will further post the detauls of his roster work once he release it.

PLEASE if you happen to do not agree with any of the premises posted here, try to do not cause any controversy that could ultimatelly derail the thread and cause it to be close. So, just post something in the lines of constructive criticism by not sayung something bad about such posts and just stating what would be (if any) the alternative. In fact, such things are more welcomed on his blog comment section than anywhere.

So, here we go ...

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Friday, September 30, 2011 NBA 2K12 Point Guard Ratings + Changes Real 2K Insider is breaking down the NBA 2K12 ratings one step further, now sorting them by position and seeing if we can learn anything (not to mention see who the worst rating offenders are). As I've mentioned in other posts, 2K has changed up their ratings formula. More on that in the second half of this post, where I list the rating changes and their effects on the much maligned Overall rating. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ POINT GUARD RATINGS TOP 1-10 93 - Chris Paul 92 - Derrick Rose 90 - Deron Williams 88 - Russell Westbrook 85 - Rajon Rondo 84 - Steve Nash 82 - John Wall 80 - Stephen Curry 80 - Tony Parker 79 - Chauncey Billups Aside from John Wall (who was closer to to 7th best rookie than he was to 7th best PG), I don't really have any complaints here. 2K typically does an okay job of rating their star players - more often than not they're the only ones that get any sort of attention. Everyone of these players saw multiple revisions throughout the year, which is more than one can say about the players towards the bottom of the list. TOP 11-20 79 - Jrue Holiday 78 - Devin Harris 78 - Brandon Jennings 77 - Michael Conley 77 - Jason Kidd 77 - Ty Lawson 77 - Gilbert Arenas 76 - Kyle Lowry 75 - Raymond Felton 75 - Darren Collison In reality, Gilbert Arenas isn't even in the top half of BACKUPS anymore, much less the top half of starters. Instead of improving in distraction free Orlando he put up a dreadful 8.6 PER, and his disappearing act was the main reason Orlando flopped in the first round. He can't guard the position, was never any good at setting up teammates, and this was BEFORE injuries ravaged his legs. He is DONE. TOP 21-30 75 - Aaron Brooks 74 - Jameer Nelson 74 - Mo Williams 74 - Louis Williams 74 - Rodney Stuckey 74 - Nate Robinson 73 - Baron Davis 72 - Ramon Sessions 72 - D.J. Augustin 72 - Earl Boykins Nate Robinson, Ramon Sessions, and Earl Boykins are top 30 NBA point guards. These guys are THIRD STRINGS on their own teams. TOP 30-40 72 - Kirk Hinrich 72 - George Hill 71 - Andre Miller 70 - Jonny Flynn 69 - Jose Calderon 69 - Delonte West 69 - Toney Douglas 69 - T.J. Ford 69 - Will Bynum 69 - Ishmael Smith Jonny Flynn was absolute GARBAGE for Minnesota last season, contributing heavily to their 65 loss season. He is a crappier, smaller version of Jerryd Bayless when healthy. In the world of 2K, he's an alternative to Andre Miller or Jose Calderon. Ishmael Smith. I don't need to say anything else. TOP 41-50 68 - Mario Chalmers 68 - Luke Ridnour 67 - Ricky Rubio 67 - Derek Fisher 67 - Keyon Dooling 67 - Chris Duhon 66 - Beno Udrih 65 - J.J. Barea 65 - Jerryd Bayless 65 - Jarrett Jack Udrih. Barea. Bayless. Jack. Worse than Chris Duhon. In stores October 4th. TOP 51-60 65 - C.J. Watson 65 - Eric Bledsoe 64 - Steve Blake 64 - Eric Maynor 63 - Jeff Teague 63 - Jordan Farmar 63 - Goran Dragic 63 - Earl Watson 63 - Sebastian Telfair 63 - Antonio Daniels Let's pretend for a moment that Eric Maynor, Jeff Teague, Jordan Farmar, and Goran Dragic didn't play AT ALL over the last two years. In other words, pretend that they're Antonio Daniels. TOP 61-70 63 - Sherron Collins 63 - Eugene Jeter 62 - Marcus Banks 62 - Patrick Mills 62 - Ronnie Price 61 - Jannero Pargo 61 - Daniel Gibson 61 - Carlos Arroyo 61 - Avery Bradley 61 - Eddie House I think it's a nice touch that Sherron Collins is rated equally to the rest of the players in the top 60. Daniel Gibson might have played as many minutes this season as the rest of these players COMBINED. TOP 71-80 60 - Mike Bibby 60 - Sundiata Gaines 60 - Zabian Dowdell 60 - Armon Johnson 59 - Acie Law 58 - Shaun Livingston 58 - Willie Warren 57 - Ben Uzoh 56 - Jeremy Lin 55 - Mustafa Shakur Mike Bibby is apparently not a top 70 NBA point guard. I am sure the Heat would have gone to the Finals with Jeremy Lin as their starting PG. I personally can't wait until the rookies come in and knock Bibby down another 10 spots. It's always amusing to see a player with a 3 year, 10 million dollar contract (Livingston) surrounded by D-Leaguers. 2K Sports calls this "business as usual." TOP 81-91 55 - Greivis Vasquez 55 - Lester Hudson 54 - Luther Head 53 - Anthony Carter 53 - Chris Quinn 52 - A.J. Price 51 - Royal Ivey 50 - John Lucas 50 - Orien Greene 50 - Mario West 48 - Pape Sy A.J. Price has been the Pacers backup PG for two years now. Considering the last two PGs on this list aren't PGs, can someone let the Pacers know they've been using the 5th worst PG in the entire league all this time? No wonder T.J. Ford hates it there in Indiana. Can somebody let the Spurs know that they got lit up by the #81 PG in the league? Nothing new here. The players with the worst ratings are still the same as last year... and the year before that... and the year before that... __________________________________________________ ________________________________ RATING CHANGES I uncovered in a previous post that the vast majority of players (perhaps 99% of them, from the looks of it) ONLY had their shot ratings adjusted. Since those were conveniently the only ratings shown in the ratings video, this makes it much easier to tell why players went up and down. I implemented the shot rating changes into 2K's final 2K11 roster to see how the player's overall rating was affected. This helped me see how 2K's Overall formula has changed. POINT GUARD FORMULA CHANGES 2K Sports (finally) started using HoopData for their shooting stats. 2K used "At Rim" to determine Inside Shot, which on the surface is the right decision but is going to lead to some REALLY awkward ratings for big men, but for the point guards who mostly aren't big dunkers, this isn't that big of a deal (and in many cases takes care of some PGs whose Inside rating was way too high). Close range also seems to have a higher rating value for PGs, perhaps even as valuable as Mid-Range rating. I actually agree with that assessment because this is the range where a PG's tear drops and floaters are coming from. For the record, I believe that Close range is a combination of "3-9 feet" and "10-15 feet", as percentages & attempts from these ranges are usually similar. Medium range has seen a much stricter, statistical approach. Fans have already been quick to complain about Kobe Bryant's mid-range rating, which I addressed here. The 3pt rating formula seems to have been overhauled. Most players saw 4-6 point improvement in their 3pt rating which likely means the scale is just 5 points higher than it was previously. This should hopefully fix 3pt% which was usually very low in online games as players needed to be totally wide open to hit shots more often than not. Chris Paul 93 Overall (0) 93 Overall 2K11 (0) 80 Inside (-10) 81 Close (-3) 84 Mid (-1) 85 3pt (+2) 88 FT (-1) It is worth noting that CP3's pass rating is shown as 97 in 2K11 but this is because he is wearing a shoe that gives him +3 pass rating. I have no idea if he is wearing the same shoes in 2K12, if they have the same attribute boosts, if any at all (I hope not, but that's a story for another day). Presuming he still has that +3 pass shoe, his overall drops by a point which makes sense since his Inside also dropped by 10 points. Derrick Rose 92 Overall (+1) 91 Overall 2K11 (0) 88 Inside (0) 80 Close (-4) 77 Mid (-5) 79 3pt (0) 86 FT (+3) By the way 2K fans, Derrick Rose ALSO shot 38% from 16-23 feet. Why the Kobe complaints but no love for the MVP? You might want to simultaneously note that Rose trails Kobe by 19 points from Close. But enough about the obvious. What you might not have noticed is that Rose saw decreases but his overall WENT UP. Considering his high Inside rating, this was the first major clue that the rating held more importance for PGs. It is also worth noting that Rose is the only player in the top 10 that did not see a boost in 3pt rating (really solidifying that the scale is higher). Deron Williams 90 Overall (-1) 91 Overall 2K11 (0) 84 Inside (-5) 73 Close (-7) 81 Mid (-3) 80 3pt (+3) 85 FT (+2) Deron had a tale of two seasons as his shooting percentages were GREAT until he hurt his wrist, and shut it down after some miserable production in New Jersey. Going off his Utah only numbers, he would surely rate at least a point higher. Russell Westbrook 88 Overall (0) 89 Overall 2K11 (+1) 87 Inside (-1) 77 Close (+2) 75 Mid (-4) 76 3pt (+12) 84 FT (-3) Westbrook helps confirm that the 3pt scale went up. Granted he did hit 33% in his limited attempts. I'm definitely seeing an error with his close rating though, as it should be worse than Deron's given his production from 10-15 feet and 3-9 feet. Westbrook isn't nearly as effective when he isn't getting all the way to the rim (60% at rim compared to 26% from 3-9 feet). Rajon Rondo 85 Overall (-2) 87 Overall 2K11 (0) 85 Inside (-5) 50 Close (-22) 68 Mid (0) 61 3pt (+9) 57 FT (+3) Rondo helped confirm that Close is much more important than it was last year. It's worth noting that he really isn't that much worse than Westbrook from there; whether that positively benefits Rondo or negatively benefits Westbrook remains to be seen. Steve Nash 84 Overall (-1) 84 Overall 2K11 (-1) 89 Inside (-9) 88 Close (-7) 80 Mid (-10) 86 3pt (+1) 91 FT (-3) A few fans have pointed out that Nash's 80 mid-range seems low, and I agree completely. While he didn't have the awesome efficiency he did during his prime (50% from 2007-2009) he still hit 44%, only 1% worse than Paul who has an 84. Nash was also 6% better than Rose who he leads by only 3 points. The math just doesn't add up here. Nash was still over 50% from 3-15 feet, which is why he has the best Close rating among PGs (though it also seems a bit low compared to other ratings we've seen). John Wall 82 Overall (0) 81 Overall 2K11 (-1) 83 Inside (-2) 64 Close (-6) 64 Mid (-8) 73 3pt (+7) 77 FT (+2) Wall's close/mid ratings tanked but that gets canceled out by the 3pt formula change. His solid inside rating and athleticism (another area benefitting 2K12 players) keeps him status quo. Worth noting that Wall was 11% worse from Mid-range than Rondo yet only trails him in Mid by 4 points. This is because Rondo (41%) is actually a bit underrated. 2K didn't want to give Rondo a higher mid-range rating than Kobe because they knew they would have gotten laughed at even harder, but Rondo (91-223) certainly deserves a much better one than Wall (86-287). Stephen Curry 80 Overall (-2) 83 Overall 2K11 (+1) 84 Inside (0) 72 Close (-7) 92 Mid (+6) 90 3pt (+4) 93 FT (+1) It's really weird to me how selective 2K is with their implementation of stats. Curry shot 48% from mid-range and has 92. Nash shot 44% on one fewer attempt and has 84. Rondo shot 41% on one fewer attempt per game and is 24 points worse. I mean, if they're going to be selective, why bother following the stats on Kobe/Rose and just appease their fans? Tony Parker 80 Overall (-4) 83 Overall 2K11 (-1) 97 Inside (+2) 78 Close (-14) 72 Mid (-8) 78 3pt (+8) 77 FT (-1) Parker took a big Close hit and saw his overall rating plummet. I have a feeling other ratings of his might have changed (probably defense related) to make up for the rest of his drop, which is greater than everyone else's so far. I am also going to assume 2K is using 3-9 feet for their Inside rating which is the only way to explain Parker's high Inside rating and low Close rating given his 52% from that range. Given that the description of "Inside" shot is "shots taken under the rim", this is probably a mistake, but will wait for some gameplay testing to make a full assessment. Chauncey Billups 79 Overall (-3) 82 Overall 2K11 (0) 78 Inside (-10) 80 Close (+9) 69 Mid (-11) 87 3pt (+5) 92 FT (+1) As with Deron, Billups shooting numbers took a hit after being moved at the trade deadline, mainly due to an injury suffered shortly after the move. As with other players, Inside once again plays a huge role in overall rating now, as Billups' rating doesn't even budge in 2K11 with those shot ratings. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ All in all, I don't have a problem with the overall rating of Point Guards. Once I get to the other positions, then things will be different.

P.S:
- All post would mostly (99%) be integrally reposted here, with few minor exceptions.
- Sometimes there are usefull insights within the comments sections of rashidis blog, those who visit his blog, be sure to check it.

[nogster]

2k12's new 3pt and mid range scale/formula looks horrible.

Having the 3pt rating get a big scale boost is not good for the game. this will just entice an overabundance of 3pt shooting.
I mean why bother taking mid range shots with westbrook when he is just as effective taking 3pointers.
Chris paul is more potent if you play him as a prolific 3pt shooting pg instead of the selective, smart inside to mid scorer that he is.
The 2k series prides itself on having the players play like their real life counterparts. but when the numbers are like this. its clear its not true.

This scale has to be changed to encourage more realism in shot selection.

[vtcrb]

So these are Rashidi's ratings or 2k ratings? I am going on lack of sleep so sorry if i missed something in the initial post.

[nogster]

2k's.
Rashidi actually knows what he is doing.

although he didnt rip 2ks 3pt scale which was uncharacteristic. because it deserves it.

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Another good entry ...

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Saturday, October 1, 2011 NBA 2K12 Shooting Guard Ratings + Changes Shooting guard ratings have always been a weak point for 2K Sports as their formula is generally broken. Teams value shooting and defense from this position, while 2K seems to think it is ball handling ability (which is why many PGs in the league rate even higher as a SG than they do as a PG). As such, many starting players end up with lower ratings than the players coming off the bench behind them. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ SHOOTING GUARD RATINGS TOP 1-10 96 - Dwyane Wade 94 - Kobe Bryant 85 - Manu Ginobili 85 - Andre Iguodala 84 - Joe Johnson 83 - Stephen Jackson 83 - Monta Ellis 82 - Eric Gordon 80 - Ray Allen 80 - Tyreke Evans The 4th best SG in the league has never even been to an all-star game. Another year of Iguodala being absurdly overrated (nevermind the fact that he didn't even play SG last year). You can say that about Stephen Jackson too, as he is ridiculously overrated for a player who can't score the ball efficiently at all. No other SG in the top 10 approaches anything nearly as bad as Jackson's annual 40-42% shooting. Tyreke Evans had a nightmare season and while this was partially due to injury, I don't think anyone would take him over the #11 player. TOP 11-20 79 - Kevin Martin 78 - Brandon Roy 78 - Jamal Crawford 77 - O.J. Mayo 76 - Jason Terry 76 - J.R. Smith 76 - Vince Carter 76 - Richard Hamilton 74 - Ben Gordon 74 - James Harden Kevin Martin is one of the league's best scorers, significantly more efficient than Jackson, Monta, Iguodala, Joe Johnson, and Eric Gordon. Why he trails these players by 3-6 points is anyone's guess. Martin may not be the world's strongest defender, but neither is Monta Ellis. Shooting guard is an interesting position in that many of the top players are sixth men (SEVEN of the top twenty to be exact). That said, not all of these players are accurately rated. Brandon Roy's career quickly turned into a tragic train wreck, and he is no longer the best SG on his own team. Roy had a big game against Dallas but was invisible the rest of the series. This is not a player who is the 12th best at his position anymore. Jamal Crawford regressed from his career best 2010, when he was named sixth man of the year. Nobody is taking him over Jason Terry ever again. O.J. Mayo was awful this season and has not lived up to the potential 2K thought he had AT ALL. His mediocre athleticism means he isn't a great finisher at the basket, and defensively he is nowhere close to Tony Allen's (who definitely should be on the top 20 based on last season's performance). As with the other sixth men, Ben Gordon did not have a good year and looks like a shell of his former self. He is far more likely to score 3 points than he is 30. The Bulls correctly deduced that he was a one-trick pony and while not re-signing him in 2009 was unpopular, it ultimately gave the Bulls the cap space needed in 2010 to build a deep team in free agency. TOP 21-30 74 - Marcus Thornton 73 - Wesley Matthews 73 - Jason Richardson 73 - Nick Young 73 - Dahntay Jones 72 - John Salmons 72 - Shannon Brown 71 - Arron Afflalo 71 - Landry Fields 71 - Evan Turner Dahntay Jones has barely played over the last few years but that is hardly his fault. Indiana has chosen not to use him in favor of 3pt shooters like Mike Dunleavy, and Jones always performs as expected when he is called upon. That said, he is really only a role player and he rated too high even when he was being used properly. He is basically Wesley Matthews without a jumper. I consider it pretty laughable that Evan Turner had a worse season than Landry Fields, but also acknowledge that Turner still has a much higher ceiling. Fields won't get much better than what he is now, while Turner is just biding time until an Iguodala trade. TOP 31-40 71 - Leandro Barbosa 70 - Wesley Johnson 70 - Courtney Lee 70 - DeShawn Stevenson 69 - Rodrique Beaubois 69 - Gerald Henderson 69 - DeMar DeRozan 69 - Michael Redd 69 - Tracy McGrady 69 - Ronnie Brewer Another year of Leandro Barbosa as the Raptors' top rated player. DeMar DeRozan isn't exactly an all-around force, but Barbosa hasn't exactly played all that well of late either. Beaubois is listed at SG because he started next to Kidd late in the year before getting hurt again. He should be moved to PG since the Mavs have like 6 SGs on the team. His rating will drop appropriately to a Barea-like level (by the way, can we stop pretending Barea is all that much better than Beaubois? He's really not). TOP 41-50 68 - Tony Allen 68 - Keith Bogans 68 - Randy Foye 68 - Raja Bell 68 - Thabo Sefolosha 67 - Anthony Parker 67 - Willie Green 67 - Sasha Vujacic 66 - Jordan Crawford 66 - Corey Brewer Ask the San Antonio Spurs if Tony Allen isn't a top 40 SG. Thabo Sefolosha he is not. Corey Brewer was a SF in Dallas and obviously should be moved there due to the glut. TOP 51-60 66 - Roger Mason 65 - Bill Walker 65 - Garrett Temple 65 - Rudy Fernandez 65 - Mike Miller 65 - Brandon Rush 65 - Gary Neal 64 - J.J. Redick 64 - Anthony Morrow 64 - Marco Belinelli Roger Mason did nothing all year for the Knicks and is rated higher than Bill Walker, who he played behind, legit rotation players like Fernandez/Miller/Rush/Redick and players who started for their teams like Morrow/Belinelli. Aside from the fact that Garrett Temple is a PG (where he rates lower) it's really a bit laughable that he is on par witth the aforementioned players as a SG. Broken formula much? TOP 61-70 64 - Manny Harris 64 - Xavier Henry 64 - Charlie Bell 64 - Jerry Stackhouse 63 - Antoine Wright 63 - Quinton Ross 63 - Dominique Jones 63 - Elliot Williams 63 - Terrico White 62 - Marquis Daniels 10 players who barely played in the NBA this season. The only one who was a rotation player was Marquis Daniels (before injury), and he is the lowest rated of the bunch. These ratings are especially poor when you consider.... TOP 71-85 62 - Jodie Meeks 62 - Kyle Korver 62 - Mike Dunleavy 61 - Daequan Cook 61 - Jermaine Taylor 60 - Wayne Ellington 59 - Trey Johnson 59 - Von Wafer 58 - Lance Stephenson 58 - Kyle Weaver 56 - Maurice Ager 56 - Andy Rautins 55 - Matt Carroll 55 - Robert Vaden 54 - Morris Peterson Jodie Meeks is not even a top 70 SG in the league. Meeks saved Philadelphia's season when he entered their starting lineup. Yet he isn't even on Jerry "Radio Show" Stackhouse's level. Kyle Korver and Mike Dunleavy are right behind him and there isn't a soul in the world who would take anyone in the likewise the #72 and in the league and there isn't a soul in the world who would take the 61-70 bracket over them. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ RATING CHANGES Dwyane Wade 96 Overall (0) 96 Overall 2K11 (0) 96 Inside (+4) 79 Close (-1) 73 Mid (-5) 75 3pt (+5) 76 FT (+2) Wade really didn't move much, and the important thing to note is his overall didn't either. Kobe Bryant 94 Overall (-1) 95 Overall 2K11 (0) 88 Inside (0) 99 Close (+10) 78 Mid (-6) 78 3pt (+6) 83 FT (-1) Kobe's mid-range rating has been discussed to death already but here's a recap. He only hit 38% of his 16-23 ft shots. Close rating is half of mid-range game (recall that this rating didn't even exist until a few years ago). Kobe's heralded post game (those fadeaways, etc) occur in the Close range. His 3pt% has declined 4% over the last 4 years. His range is declining as his health worsens. That's life. You will notice that Kobe EASILY has the best close rating among other SGs. The next closest SG in the top ten is 15 points away. Manu Ginobili 85 Overall (-3) 86 Overall 2K11 (-2) 86 Inside (-3) 79 Close (+1) 64 Mid (-16) 81 3pt (-3) 87 FT (0) Another sticking point for fans has been the decrease of Ginobili's mid-range game. Manu shot 36% in his limited attempts and only shot 31% in similarly limited attempts in 2010. He is not a mid-range player and never has been. Drives and threes have always been his game. He is still the #3 SG in the league which is really all that matters. Andre Iguodala 85 Overall (-2) 91 Inside (0) 73 Close (0) 72 Mid (-5) 79 3pt (+3) 69 FT (-2) 86 Overall 2K11 (-1) As I mentioned prior, Iguodala should be a SF, but doesn't deserve such a high rating at either position. This has little to do with his shot rating changes though, which were all deserved. It is worth noting that Iguodala is one of the players that 100% doesn't have any ratings changed aside from his shot ratings. His 2 point drop indicated formula change since he otherwise would have dropped only 1 point in 2K11. This is most likely due to Iguodala's low "Close" rating, and probably not helped by his low FT rating (another rating I speculate is slightly more important). Joe Johnson 84 Overall (-1) 85 Overall 2K11 (0) 90 Inside (+4) 81 Close (-8) 75 Mid (-6) 75 3pt (+6) 80 FT (-1) Kobe fans, please take note that Joe Johnson has a lower Mid rating despite shooting 39%. Stephen Jackson 83 Overall (-1) 84 Overall 2K11 (0) 80 Inside (-2) 73 Close (-1) 76 Mid (-4) 80 3pt (+4) 81 FT (-1) Jackson shot 36% from mid-range and enjoys a 1 point edge over Joe Johnson. Manu Ginobili also shot 36%, but Jackson also took twice as many shots as he did. I'm not really following this whole Close/Inside rating either. Inside is allegedly "At Rim" + "3-9 Feet" which leaves Close to "10-15 Feet". However Jackson shot 48% from 10-15, a full 20% better than Iguodala (in a similar amount of attempts) yet both players have a 73 rating, This leads me to think Close ALSO factors in the 3-9 foot shot, just as Inside does. Of course, that still means Iguodala is way overrate since he likewise shot 28% from 3-9 feet (please note the similarities between Iggy's 3-9 and 10-15 and tell me 3-9 feet shouldn't count toward Close rating instead of Inside). Monta Ellis 83 Overall (-4) 87 Overall 2K11 (0) 91 Inside (-3) 68 Close (-13) 82 Mid (0) 82 3pt (+4) 79 FT (+5) Monta Ellis shot 38% from mid and has an 82 rating. Rather than point to this as evidence that Kobe is underrated, it's more likely that Monta is overrated. What you haven't noticed yet is that Kobe's 78 mid-range is actually the highest we've seen so far until Monta. Monta's overall rating dropped the most which probably has a bit to do with the increased importance of Close rating. Eric Gordon 82 Overall (-2) 83 Overall 2K11 (-1) 87 Inside (-2) 74 Close (+6) 68 Mid (-14) 83 3pt (+4) 83 FT (+2) Gordon shot 38% from mid-range and is rated 10 points worse than Kobe. Kobe fans need to stop crying effective immediately. It is a bit ludicrous that these players are fluctuating all over the place despite 2K's alleged focus on stats. Ray Allen 80 Overall (-1) 80 Overall 2K11 (-1) 85 Inside (-6) 83 Close (-5) 84 Mid (-4) 91 3pt (+4) 88 FT (-1) Ray shot 46% from mid-range and I see no reason why Monta should be within 2 points of him. Monta should certainly drop down to Kobe's level if we're going to be using Kobe's rating as a base (which I think 2K has done so far since he still maintains an edge from 16-23 feet on all the other SGs. Tyreke Evans 80 Overall (-1) 81 Overall 2K11 (0) 83 Inside (-5) 72 Close (+7) 67 Mid (-5) 73 3pt (+6) 77 FT (+2) Tyreke shot 33% from mid-range. One can make an argument for Ginobili's 36% deserving a higher rating, but Tyreke also took twice as many attempts as Ginobili. Also, Tyreke only shot 25% from 3-9 feet AND 10-15 feet (again, coincidence, i think not), which really doesn't do much to explain how he ended up with 72 close rating. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ As with the point guards, changes were relatively incremental and had as much to do with formula changes as any. 2K's statistical implementation was spotty at best, however, and these players will need to be reviewed on a case by case basis to see how accurate they really are. At the very least, we've seen that going by the stats, Kobe Bryant deserves no greater than 82 on his mid-range rating.

Prior 2k10 I wasnt an avid online user and even while in 2k11 I was more online than what I ever was before, I am still more of an offline user.
Then again, I can understand why going back to the dreaded old 3pt rating formula ... online, for whatever reason and even on casual, didnt reflect the exact results of offline ... 3pts had a significant lower conversion %, therefor I can understand.
Thankfully, as opposed to online gamers, we can alter the roster rating scale or the sliders to go for more appropiated offline results.

[Painkiller1974]

So... Will we have ffaacc update roster for nba 2k11 ?
Thanks from italy !,,

[ffaacc03]

Quote: Originally Posted by Painkiller1974

So... Will we have ffaacc update roster for nba 2k11 ? Thanks from italy !,,

No, 2k11 is no more, for me at least.

Hopefully, will see you all in 2k12 and hopefully, we might see some of rashidi work for 2k12 ... as I plan to edit much less than for 2k11 and play more instead ... also for a little tip on rashidis plans for 2k12, check my last comment on the other thread.

THANKS for following us through all 2k11.

[Ken North]

The one issue I've always had with Rashidi's rosters, is that he rates everyone down so significantly. It might very well be "more realistic", but the problem is that in any game mode that spans more than one season (My Player, Association), the generated players such as yourself and upcoming rookies just become completely out of proportion to the existing players.

[ffaacc03]

And now the forwards ...

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Monday, October 3, 2011 NBA 2K12 Small Forward Ratings + Changes __________________________________________________ ______________________________ SMALL FORWARD RATINGS TOP 1-10 98 - LeBron James 92 - Kevin Durant 91 - Carmelo Anthony 86 - Rudy Gay 83 - Gerald Wallace 82 - Paul Pierce 81 - Danny Granger 81 - Caron Butler 80 - Grant Hill 80 - Wilson Chandler Carmelo Anthony is perhaps the league's most overrated superstar, and his 2K rating is indicitive of that. His shot selection is awful and his defense even worse. Allegedly one of the league's clutchest offensive players, there are plenty of forced turnovers he commits by trying to play hero ball. The Knicks were a sub .500 team after trading for Melo, and were notably swept in the playoffs, with Melo only showing up for one of the games. Melo simply does not hold a candle to Kevin Durant, who is already a 2x scoring champ and 2x All-NBA First teamer at the young age of 22. The scary thing is Durant still has PLENTY of time to improve, whereas Melo at 26, doesn't stand to get much better (which is not a good prospect for the NY Knick defense). Rudy Gay joins Andre Iguodala as another super athlete with overrated skills that has never made an all-star team. Gay missed half of the season and the Grizzlies didn't even skip a beat, beating a 1st seed Spurs team and taking the Thunder to 7 games. Does that sound like a team who was missing an 86 rated player? Caron Butler missed 53 regular season games and the entire playoffs, but still went up in rating. Butler's shooting efficiency fell off a cliff in 2010 and stayed that way in 2010 so it will be interesting to see where this boost came from. Wilson Chandler is the top rated Nugget and he just signed in China for a mere 3 million. I think that says it all about that rating's legitimacy. TOP 11-20 78 - Shawn Marion 78 - Michael Beasley 77 - Luol Deng 77 - Shane Battier 77 - Tayshaun Prince 74 - Thaddeus Young 74 - Corey Maggette 74 - Andrei Kirilenko 74 - Hedo Turkoglu 74 - Rashard Lewis Shane Battier is a bit high considering his defense has slipped a little bit with age, and thinking of Turkoglu as a top 20 SF is a bit laughable, but overall no major complaints. TOP 21-30 74 - Nicolas Batum 74 - Paul George 74 - Dorell Wright 72 - Richard Jefferson 72 - Trevor Ariza 72 - Terrence Williams 72 - Jared Dudley 72 - Mickael Pietrus 71 - Ron Artest 71 - Matt Barnes Here is where the **** hits the fan. Ron Artest is not a good offensive player, but he is easily the best defensive SF in the league (right up there with 1st teamer LeBron). It's tough to imagine a world where he is worse than Dorell Wright who likewise stands in a corner on offense and isn't nearly the defender Artest is. Terrence Williams is rated equally to Richard Jefferson and Trevor Ariza. I don't need to elaborate here. Mickael Pietrus could not crack the rotation in Orlando and Phoenix, but we're expected to believe he is a top 30 SF. TOP 31-40 71 - Quentin Richardson 70 - Joey Graham 70 - Josh Childress 70 - Martell Webster 70 - Maurice Evans 69 - Josh Howard 69 - Chase Budinger 69 - Damion James 69 - Al-Farouq Aminu 69 - Chris Douglas-Roberts The insanity continues. CDR barely got off the bench after Carlos Delfino came back yet is the top rated SF on the team. CDR signed internationally without an out-clause, so at least we won't have to live with the rating incompetence for long. Joey Graham likewise was a 3rd string on the Cavs and is the highest rated SF on the team. Few teams in the league would take him over Jamario Moon. Aminu was brutal as a rookie and likewise did not outplay Moon. TOP 41-50 69 - Francisco Garcia 68 - Sam Young 68 - C.J. Miles 67 - Danilo Gallinari 67 - Andres Nocioni 67 - Alonzo Gee 67 - Jamario Moon 67 - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute 67 - James Posey 67 - James Anderson That's right folks. Danilo Gallinari isn't a top 40 SF. In fact, he rates 13 points worse than his backup, Wilson Chandler, and 24 points worse than the guy who replaced him in NY. In case you are wondering, 23 points separate Steve Nash and Jannero Pargo. Talk to Knick and Nugget fans about that and see what they tell you. Gallinari is rated equally to Nocioni which really says it all. Hell, he isn't rated any better than the worst starters at the position (Gee and Prince MAM), or guys who couldn't even get off their team's benches (Posey and Anderson). TOP 51-60 67 - Sonny Weems 66 - Travis Outlaw 66 - Al Thornton 65 - Carlos Delfino 65 - Marvin Williams 65 - Dominic McGuire 65 - Cartier Martin 65 - Gary Forbes 65 - Derrick Brown 64 - Renaldo Balkman Carlos Delfino being rated this low is an absolute joke if you've watched him as a member of the Bucks. Marvin Williams' rating is likewise just as bad although you won't find many people jumping up to defend him. Both players are easily far superior to D-League fodder like Dominic McGuire and Cartier Martin. TOP 61-70 64 - Earl Clark 64 - Reggie Williams 63 - Gordon Hayward 63 - Luke Walton 63 - Devin Ebanks 63 - Ime Udoka 62 - Ryan Gomes 62 - Daniel Green 62 - Linas Kleiza 62 - James Johnson Gordon Hayward showed at the end of the season that at the very least he is a much better player than a hobbled Luke Walton and a 2nd round Laker rookie with no BBall IQ. Ryan Gomes started most of the year for the Clippers. Ime Udoka spent most of the year outside of the league. Facts like these are lost on 2K Sports. The same applies for Linas Kleiza and James Johnson as it pertains to Daniel Green for that matter. TOP 71-80 61 - Julian Wright 61 - Damien Wilkins 61 - Shawne Williams 61 - Mike Harris 61 - Omri Casspi 60 - Christian Eyenga 60 - Dante Cunningham 60 - Donte Greene 59 - Austin Daye 59 - Peja Stojakovic Austin Daye and Peja Stojakovic are worse than Donte Greene, Shawne Williams, Christian Eyenga, and don't even register as top 75 as the position. 2K Sports: If it's in the game, don't look at us man. TOP 81-95 59 - Luke Babbitt 59 - Bobby Simmons 58 - James Jones 58 - Rasual Butler 58 - Lazar Hayward 58 - DeMarre Carroll 58 - Rodney Carney 58 - Quincy Pondexter 57 - Patrick Ewing Jr. 57 - Stephen Graham 57 - Jawad Williams 56 - DaJuan Summers 55 - Sasha Pavlovic 55 - Ronald Dupree 53 - Jason Kapono Luke Babbitt = Bobby Simmons = Austin Daye = Peja Stojakovic Babbitt & Simmons > James Jones Logical equations you won't find in any math textbook. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOGICAL. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ RATING CHANGES LeBron James 98 Overall (+2) 97 Overall 2K11 (+1) 97 Inside (+2) 83 Close (+6) 86 Mid (+5) 79 3pt (+5) 76 FT (-1) LeBron quietly has become one of the league's top mid-range shooters. He shot 45% which was up from 40% the two previous years. While he has surely improved his jumper since entering the league, some of this probably had to do with Wade and Bosh playing on his team. LeBron couldn't really be triple teamed like he was in Cleveland.... although this did NOT help Wade's shooting numbers. It is probably a little of both, and we'll find out this season whether it was a fluke or not. One thing that IS clear however is that LeBron's shot ratings were underrated for much of last season. Kevin Durant 92 Overall (-1) 94 Overall 2K11 (+1) 95 Inside (+2) 86 Close (+1) 85 Mid (-1) 81 3pt (+5) 88 FT (0) Durant only hit 40% of his mid-range shots, so this causes a large discrepancy in the LeBron/Kobe debate. LeBron is 5% better but only 1 rating point better. Kobe was only 2% worse and 7 points worse. All three players were among the leaders in mid-range attempts, so something is surely amiss with these ratings here. Carmelo Anthony 91 Overall (-1) 93 Overall 2K11 (+1) 87 Inside (-3) 82 Close (+5) 90 Mid (+7) 84 3pt (+5) 84 FT (0) Well, it's honestly a little baffling how Melo got a reputation boost but Kobe did not. Melo shot 43% from mid-range as a Nugget and only 40% as a Knick. Melo only shot 40% in 2010 and 39% in 2009. He is clearly overrated when looking at where everyone else has fallen on the scale. Melo's Close rating is also a bit high for someone who only shot 26% (32% as Nugget) from 3-9 feet and 37% (38% as Nugget) from 10-15 feet. Rudy Gay 86 Overall (-1) 87 Overall 2K11 (0) 86 Inside (+7) 85 Close (-5) 79 Mid (-3) 86 3pt (+4) 81 FT (+3) Back to some normalcy. Gay shot 39% from mid-range and his 79 mid-range falls right in line with Kobe's. 2K clearly has a scale in there somewhere but their implementation is spotty at best. Gerald Wallace 83 Overall (-1) 85 Overall 2K11 (+2) 85 Inside (-3) 72 Close (+22) 70 Mid (+1) 79 3pt (+2) 75 FT (+1) Crash shot 40% from mid-range as a Blazer (1.9 attempts) and 37% as a Bobcat (3.6 attempts). Overall he was 81-215 (37.8%). It's good that 2K took sample size and attempts into account... since otherwise people would be freaking out about Kobe and Gerald Wallace being rated equally in mid-range. Unfortunately, this does little to explain Crash's Close rating - he was 23-76 (30%) from 3-9 feet and a mere 3-13 (23%) from 10-15 feet. Very difficult to see the rationale behind a 22 point increase in that category. Paul Pierce 82 Overall (-1) 84 Overall 2K11 (+1) 93 Inside (+6) 84 Close (+5) 80 Mid (-4) 84 3pt (+5) 86 FT (0) Pierce's ratings are pretty standard. He shot 42% from mid-range but on only 2.8 attempts. Danny Granger 81 Overall (-1) 81 Overall 2K11 (-1) 83 Inside (-2) 71 Close (-7)??? (Rating indiscernible in video, I'll find out in 24 hours) 75 Mid (-4) 86 3pt (+6) 85 FT (+1) Granger shot only 35% from mid-range but did so on 4.3 attempts, and there isn't much to say about him right now since I was unable to get a good visual on his close rating. Caron Butler 81 Overall (0) 83 Overall 2K11 (+2) 77 Inside (-1) 78 Close (+5) 88 Mid (+9) 75 3pt (+11) 77 FT (-8) Butler's 3pt rating skyrocketed which is partially due to the 3pt scale boost, but also because Butler shot a high percentage in his 29 games played. He shot 45% from mid-range in 2011, but perhaps more importantly, also shot 45% in 483 attempts in 2010. Of course, Butler's rating (88) doesn't exactly match up with LeBron's rating (85) and body of work (45% on 424 attempts). Grant Hill 80 Overall (-2) 81 Overall 2K11 (-1) 90 Inside (-3) 83 Close (-4) 72 Mid (-12) 84 3pt (+5) 83 FT (+1) It will be very interesting to see how these ratings play out in the game as Hill's 3pt rating has drawn a lot of concern. Hill shot 40% from deep this season and 44% last season, but did so in a limited sample size. Hill mainly takes only open set shots which limits his total attempts. The concern is whether he will be dropping multple threes per game with an 84 rating. Hill averaged a career high 0.6 threes per game this past season. Wilson Chandler 80 Overall (0) 81 Overall 2K11 (+1) 89 Inside (+7) 71 Close (-5) 75 Mid (0) 82 3pt (+4) 81 FT (+1) China man Wilson Chandler shot 40% from mid-range on 3.7 attempts (37% on 2.6 attempts as a Knick). __________________________________________________ ______________________________ Honestlly there wasn't anything discovered about the new shot ratings that we didn't already figure out from the list of SG rating changes. As with the PGs and SGs, overall ratings didn't change all that drastically with this new formula, and if anything the SFs were the least affected by it.

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Does Rashidi already have a copy of the game?