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Old 12-09-2013, 07:54 AM   #89
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Re: Next Gen CPU Cheese/Cheating Is Amazing!

Ty Lawson is the guy that prompted me to really notice the cheese. Guy is an absolute beast when the game decides he is.

Have you all seen any plays like this?

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:02 AM   #90
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ugh...theres this animation where you attempt to block a shot and you guy ends up flying backwards....wtf....even if I do get the block he ends up flying backwards and the player will just grab the blocked shot and have an easy score...

That blocking is off thread was right....the player ends up facing the wrong ****ing way at times when I'm attempting to block a shot. ugh....
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Old 12-09-2013, 08:21 AM   #91
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Old 12-09-2013, 08:32 AM   #92
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Perfect example of why I'm waiting till next release. Legacy issues need to go or be toned down.

Can 2k implement a system where CPU plays life like so they don't have to resort to this.

The play above and the auto lock loose balls piss me off the most.

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Old 12-09-2013, 03:13 PM   #93
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WTF directed me to this thread from elsewhere:

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Yes, that's exactly what it is. I'm not the only one.

Next Gen CPU Cheating is Amazing

Plenty of these types of moments:



Goaltending? Nope. Was it called? Yep. It was after I stopped 3-4 instances of cheese that they were "supposed" to score. But that's for another thread. I'll be uploading the video that I took of the ball morphing through my defenders momentarily as well.
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Debunk this. The game was determined to score. It was a minute and a half left, I was up 3, it's this games way of staying close. End of Story.
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its been debunked even though he just posted proof? i saw another video on another thread showing the ball going through the same guy twice on the same play to let lebron score. so how is it debunked when there is video evidence? ive seen plenty of it too especially when the cpu ballhandler changes directions 5-6 times in a row in the paint until you eventually slide off him.
For anyone who believes this "comeback logic" stuff, or thinks that the game "decides the CPU WILL score" - there's lots I could say in response to your theory (and/or images involving aluminum foil), but instead I will relate a story.

For several years I played online poker seriously. I started off thinking it would be a fun way to blow some time, and after a couple years it became a significant source of income for me. Now, poker is a game of skill - if you're better than your opponents, you will win more often than you lose. But there's still a huge luck factor due to the randomness of the deck. Over the long run - several hundred thousand hands (try calculating how long that will take you to play in a casino) - your "luck" inevitably evens out, and if you're good and make better decisions than your opponents, you'll win money.

But in the short run? You have absolutely no control over whether you win or lose. You can make the best decisions possible, but playing well isn't going to stop your pocket aces from getting cracked, nor will it keep your flopped bottom set from losing to someone else's higher flopped set for all your chips. And learning to accept that is one of the single most difficult things about playing poker seriously.

No matter how good you are at poker, you WILL have stretches of time where you lose 30 cash game buy-ins (I played no-limit cash games, but the same kind of variance exists in limit cash games or tournaments). You WILL have stretches where you play fifty thousand hands (that's a lot!) without winning money. And when this stuff happens, one of the most fascinating things I learned from poker is seeing how the human brain deals with this stuff.

How it deals with it is...terribly. Very smart people will start thinking things like...
- they're bad at poker (sometimes losing can alter your mindset and make you play worse, but most people will actually continue to play well even while losing unless they go on tilt)
- they suddenly start believing in God and think they're cursed
...and the one that's most relevant to this thread:
- the site is rigged against them.

One of the first things that brought me to internet forums was playing poker, and one of the very first threads I started was because I played a couple freerolls on PartyPoker when I was first starting out and noticed that I kept getting busted out in what people call "setup hands". Like, I'd get aces and someone else would get kings, we'd get all in, and they'd hit trips. Stuff like that. So, I started a thread on a poker forum like "yo, you guys seen this conspiracy? I keep busting out of these PartyPoker freerolls on setup hands! It's like they just want to force big action so people think it's exciting and keep playing!"

Despite this being one of the stupidest threads ever posted on the internet, people were actually very nice to me and pointed out things like
- yes, aces do lose sometimes
- while it's not necessarily common, AA vs KK is something that happens on a not-insignificant scale and it's not impossible or unreasonable that it happened to pop up a couple times in the course of a couple tournaments
...and most relevant to this thread:
- naturally it's much more likely a big pot is played when people are dealt good cards, but you don't remember all the small pots you played where nothing exciting happened

With respect to the last point - these bugs that you guys are posting happen all the time. I guarantee it. They happen when you're ahead, when you're behind, at the beginning of the game, at the end of the game. 90% of the time you don't notice or care all that much. But when you're at the end of a tense game, up by 3, and the CPU scores a cheesy basket to bring it within 1 - THAT'S when you really notice, and you get mad, and hell yeah you're gonna come to the forums and post videos about how 2K made him score to keep the game close. Just like PartyPoker made my opponent have kings to bust me cause they wanted big action at their tables.

It's one thing if you guys perform a scientific study of every single possession in every single game and see how the occurrence of what you would call "cheesy baskets" relates to time left & CPU score differential and get a solid sample size (probably a thousand or so, which would still be pretty tame in poker terms), and saw a noticeable deviation in game behavior when the CPU is behind late-ish in the game. This is the type of analysis that a poker player has to do when studying their own game and identifying areas to improve in - you can't just look at the results of one hand (the results of which are literally random) you won or lost and decide to adjust your game based on that. You need to study persisting trends over time.

But here, WTF literally posted two videos and was like "yo, if this isn't proof, I don't know what is."

As you guys like to say here: smh.

(I can't post links as this is my 5th post, but look up "confirmation bias" on Wikipedia if you'd like to learn more about how your brain is fooling you on an every day basis. Seriously, there's nothing like losing ten thousand dollars while playing good poker to teach you how warped your brain is and the hoops it will jump through to justify/rationalize/explain various things)
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:56 PM   #94
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^ Agreed. I will say that sometimes I will see the computer warp to grab an offense board or make a crazy pass (that I know I could never make). They also seem to be able to make tough layups over multiple guys while by guy misses a layup when we has an angle on his man.

Stuff like that is upsetting, but at the end of the day when I end up with more rebounds, more steals and a better shooting percentage than the CPU, then I can't complain too much. **** happens in every video game that I've played. Whether it's a defender doing some sort of matrix type move to get a rebound, a ball warping threw a glove in The Show, etc. It's going to happen here and there and as long as it isn't out of control and I'm having fun, then I'll keep playing. As of right now, NBA 2K14 isn't THAT bad, in my opinion and despite it's faults I'm still having a blast while playing. That's all that really matters to me.

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Old 12-09-2013, 04:00 PM   #95
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Internet poker aside, there are absolutely scripted moments in 2k14. Multiple times per game, I will watch the CPU move to the baseline just outside the key 2-3 seconds before a teammate launches a shot. Why? Because you cannot box out somebody under the basket for some reason. The CPU knows where the rebound is going before the shooter begins a shot.

That said, most of the cheese I see is in the nature of artificial stat boosts to the CPU. It's why Jose Calderon can outrebound Andre Drummond and the CPU always reacts to loose balls 1000% faster than your CPU controlled teammates. It's why sliders exist in the fist place, and why it is completely stupid that they still haven't added them to MyPlayer even after 5 years.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:03 PM   #96
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i can't really complain about the cpu cheesing. i have won a few games on hall of fame games before. the only thing i hate is the 3 point cheesing. i drop the 3 point sliders to very very low and they still knock down 3 pointers. that the only thing that needs a patch


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