Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

[steviegolfballs]

I agree, my only thought was that if you raise the reaction for the fielders then possibly the infielders will come up with a couple extra grounders over the course of the game because they are there a half step sooner. It's a theory I am testing.

[DarkSith777]

Nomo, I noticed that lowering arm strength and baserunning speed seem to go hand and hand. I had run speed on 4 and arm strength on 4 for a while. But I was seeing too many balls going to the wall and the guy staying on first base. Runners also not being able to score on singles from 2nd base. Also outfielders arms appeared too weak. I also was seeing hardly any triples. I put back to default both the baserunning speed and the arm strength. Also arm stength being lowered affected the catchers throwing and the fast baserunners usually were always safe when stealing. Putting arm strenght back to 5 and baserunning speed back to 5 seemed to correct the imbalance. ONLY lowering the fielding speed seems to make sense to me to increase extra base hits. What are your thoughts?

[DarkSith777]

What is your feeling also on the error sliders? Do you think they should be touched. I left throwing alone and raised fielding error 1 click. Seeing about 1 to 2 per game. Raising the throwing was too much bad throws.

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSith777

Nomo, I noticed that lowering arm strength and baserunning speed seem to go hand and hand. I had run speed on 4 and arm strength on 4 for a while. But I was seeing too many balls going to the wall and the guy staying on first base. Runners also not being able to score on singles from 2nd base. Also outfielders arms appeared too weak. I also was seeing hardly any triples. I put back to default both the baserunning speed and the arm strength. Also arm stength being lowered affected the catchers throwing and the fast baserunners usually were always safe when stealing. Putting arm strenght back to 5 and baserunning speed back to 5 seemed to correct the imbalance. ONLY lowering the fielding speed seems to make sense to me to increase extra base hits. What are your thoughts?

How many games have you played to make these observations?

My thought is that I really don't make any conclusions based on a few games... just because something happened once doesn't mean it will happen as often, or less often, than what you think how often the particular event actually happens, you know what I mean? That's why we collect data over a long span and average them...

For example, a triple only happens 0.2 times per game per team. That means it happens only once in five games on average... You have to at least play five games to *just once.* and even that isn't guaranteed, because sometimes you team hits two triples in a game, and could go on a triple drought for 10 games, etc., etc.

And I honestly doubt clicking down or up a slider by one affects the game THAT much, at least not to the extent you can see it in a few games. Sliders in this game is very subtle, and only changes things to the amount that can only be made apparent over a more extended period of time.

And as far as what I'm doing in this thread, I'm guiding my thoughts mostly by numbers strictly (hence I'm naming it a stats-based slider set). Only if something is really, really obviously off (like arm strength), then I'll try to correct it without numbers not necessarily backing things up.

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What is your feeling also on the error sliders? Do you think they should be touched. I left throwing alone and raised fielding error 1 click. Seeing about 1 to 2 per game. Raising the throwing was too much bad throws.

Ditto... I don't change things after just one or two games. If that's what you are looking to do, I really don't have any good suggestions to offer.

Errors are fine as is. I think I'll +1 Fielding Error and -1 Throwing Error and that's probably it...

[DarkSith777]

I was on game 50 in my season when I felt as if this needed to be changed. I think they got more right out of the box ten we are used too so it seems kind of unnatural to not have to change so much. But by lowering arm strength most definitely affect runners and steals. In my season with the padres Cameron Maybin had stolen 22 bases through 50 games and was never caught. Also I had only seen 2 triples and they only came when an outfielder came in on a ball and missed and then the ball rolled all the way to the wall. Also with arm strength lowered at plays at the plate the throws would always bounce at the pitchers mound before getting to the catcher. Even when the throw was coming from the cut off man.

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSith777

I was on game 50 in my season when I felt as if this needed to be changed. I think they got more right out of the box ten we are used too so it seems kind of unnatural to not have to change so much. But But lowering arm strength most definitely affect runners and steals. In my season with the padres Cameron Maybin had stolen 22 bases through 50 games and was never caught. Also I had only seen 2 triples and they only came when an outfielder came in on a ball and missed and then the ball rolled all the way to the wall. Also with arm strength lowered at plays at the plate the throws would always bounce at the pitchers mound before getting to the catcher. Even when the throw was coming from the cut off man.

Well I'm almost done with my 75 games run with default slider set, and I've seen 29 triples, and have seen quite a few variety in how they happen. I'm not seeing any problem there.

If you are using only one team, then that may also be an issue. If your team isn't built for speed, then you are not going to see many triples.

[DarkSith777]

I believe my triple deficiency was because I had run speed to 4. Putting this back to 5 seemed to correct the problem as I have seen 2 in 3 games now. I know you were talking about lowering run speed. I think leaving run speed and arm strength alone is the way to go. It seems they have these very in tuned with each other in the game already.

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSith777

I believe my triple deficiency was because I had run speed to 4. Putting this back to 5 seemed to correct the problem as I have seen 2 in 3 games now. I know you were talking about lowering run speed. I think leaving run speed and arm strength alone is the way to go. It seems they have these very in tuned with each other in the game already.

Okay, you can do whatever you like to do, but please don't ask me for opinions in this thread if you don't respect what I'm doing or what I say in this thread here... I've made my strategy very clear in my first post, and if you don't agree, you have no business telling me what to do!!!

I made it clear that I don't value any information that's not backed up by solid numbers, at least for the purpose of what I'm doing in this thread. I don't wish to derail the thread too much.

[DarkSith777]

I absolutely respect what your doing and have done. This is why I am bouncing things off of you. I am just trying to configure the game to get the most enjoyment out of it for myself. I am not trying to tell you what to do. I apologize if you think I shouldn't be on your thread with this and will post nothing else. I only was coming to you because I respect and value your knowledge and want to get the most out of the game for myself. Again I'm sorry.

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSith777

I absolutely respect what your doing and have done. This is why I am bouncing things off of you. I am just trying to configure the game to get the most enjoyment out of it for myself. I am not trying to tell you what to do. I apologize if you think I shouldn't be on your thread with this and will post nothing else. I only was coming to you because I respect and value your knowledge and want to get the most out of the game for myself. Again I'm sorry.

It's totally fine to chime in. Sorry if I sounded aggressive (it's just the nature of how I write).

But I'm clearly taking a lot of time before making any sort of conclusions, and I really cannot offer good suggestions when you are too quick about making your judgement.

Bouncing off ideas is totally welcome, but as I keep repeating, it's just absolutely meaningless to make any sort of conclusions only after a few games after you change something. I try not to make suggestions like that, and I won't appreciate any feedback like that either, since it only adds to confusions and meaningless back and forth about nothing.