Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[sbauer318]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

9 out of 10 arguments in my life are about things like this. It always goes like this. Carlos - Man, I think that's a solid product. ***** - What? It's so bad. How can you like that? Carlos - I enjoyed it. I think it's solid. You don't like it? ***** - No! It's garbage. It's so bad. Carlos - Well, I like it. ***** - Haha, you like it? Be real with yourself. You think it's good? Carlos - Yes, I do. ***** - Look at it. It's bad. Anyone can see that. Carlos - If you don't like it, fine. But, I do, so what's the issue? ***** - The issue is that you're being stubborn. You don't see how bad it is! Carlos - Umm, not sure I understand. I like it and I think it's a good product. Why do you feel the need to continue to put it down. ***** - You're stubborn. It's bad. Be real with yourself and realize how bad it is. And on it goes. Maybe I never learn. Just never understood how I can sit back and say that I enjoy something and that's all that should matter. However, the person I'm always arguing with about this loves to take it at me and say I'm the one that just doesn't get it because I don't agree with his opinion. Never have I come here and told anyone that they have to like 2k or something is wrong with them. Yet, the people that don't like it have continuously told me that something is wrong with me for not agreeing with them. I'm not being "real" with myself. I'm "justifying" my purchase. Or better yet, I "own shares" in the company. I seriously feel like Mugatu right now. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these comments. It's amazing the efforts people that don't like something will take so people can be just as miserable as them when it comes to a product. They can never swallow the acceptance that others actually like what they don't like.

I have no problem with people liking the game. I rented the game and realized it just wasn't for me. However, what irritates me are conversations like this:

Carlos - Man, I think that's a solid product.
***** - What? It's so bad. How can you like that?
Carlos - I enjoyed it. I think it's solid. You don't like it?
***** - I didn't enjoy it at all
Carlos - Well, Madden sucked. The Show is the same. Why haven't you said anything about those?
***** - Er. well.. we're not talking about them.
Carlos - It's always like that. Madden gets a billion chances and never changes.
***** - What the hell are you talking about? This is not about Madden.
Carlos - I know this is not about Madden, but it upsets me because people like to bash 2K.
***** - What?

Seriously, you would have thought people were bashing each others mothers around here.

[arseniotall]

why this thread is still open says it all in a nutshell..lol

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by sbauer318

I have no problem with people liking the game. I rented the game and realized it just wasn't for me. However, what irritates me are conversations like this: Carlos - Man, I think that's a solid product. ***** - What? It's so bad. How can you like that? Carlos - I enjoyed it. I think it's solid. You don't like it? ***** - I didn't enjoy it at all Carlos - Well, Madden sucked. The Show is the same. Why haven't you said anything about those? ***** - Er. well.. we're not talking about them. Carlos - It's always like that. Madden gets a billion chances and never changes. ***** - What the hell are you talking about? This is not about Madden. Carlos - I know this is not about Madden, but it upsets me because people like to bash 2K. ***** - What? Seriously, you would have thought people were bashing each others mothers around here.

I agree. But Carlos would never say those things.

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by boomhauertjs

Nice Zoolander reference!

Sine we're in the spirit of this attitude here goes:

Best comedy in the past 10 years! If you disagree you're not being real with yourself and just trying to justify the 10 bucks you spent watching Jackie Moon.

And yes, I own shares in the "Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too." We just celebrated our 6th year in business and we're going strong with the exception of a little hostile takeover attempt by the "Academy For Young People Who Can't Write Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Things Good Also."

[sbauer318]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

And yes, I own shares in the "Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too." We just celebrated our 6th year in business and we're going strong with the exception of a little hostile takeover attempt by the "Academy For Young People Who Can't Write Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Things Good Also."

Does the six years include the time when the building was too small for people to get inside or does it just include the enlarged version? haha. Great movie.

Edit: I also use the crazy pills reference too. I use it about once a month.

[RiderGH]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

You still don't get it. You still think that because you don't like the game that everyone else shouldn't like it. You still think that if anyone does like it they are just not being "real" with themselves. You still think wrong.

no man, Liking it" has nothing to do with what I am saying bro. I dont think you get it. I LIKE THE GAME. i play it and enjoy it. alot of other peple do too. just because we like it doesnt make it a good game though. like i said uniforms, stadiums, roster,framerate. regardless of how well the game plays, the game as a whole is riddled with issues that should have been taken care of in 06. this is the game we should have had in 06. i dont understand how you read what I say, then come at me lik im on a building giving a sermon on how people should hate 2k. that couldnt be further from the truth. just because some people can overlook a games flaws and enjoy it does not make it a good game. I overlook everything and i enjoy the game. but im not going to sit here and defend the game from critisism, not will I call this a good game. I hope everyone enjoys the game, i dont care but like i have said look at the game as a whole and dont say its a good game because you enjoy it. it has alot of missing peices and issues so just because you like it dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

I agree. But Carlos would never say those things.

He's right though. Those Madden arguments were indeed brought in to this thread.

[baa7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Renegade44

I dont think you get it. I LIKE THE GAME. i play it and enjoy it. it has alot of missing peices and issues so just because you like it dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

That's the way I feel -

Pitching: like
Editing options: like
Graphics and player models: like
Hitting: don't like
Animations: don't like
Presentation and commentary: don't like
Glitches and sloppy overall quality: don't like

That's 3 likes and 4 don't likes, and I would rate the game between 6.5 and 7, so I guess I'm being generous

And to be fair, a lot of people who have defended the game since day one, have also repeatedly listed the things in the game they're unhappy about. At this point, people coming here and telling others how bad the game is, and telling others they're in denial, is overkill. Like vultures coming back to pick the carcass clean, again and again. It's DEAD already!

[sportsdude]

going back to Williams' article, I don't think it was the most well-written piece amongst the other new stuff on OS.

It seemed to spend a lot of time killing 2k8 while slipping in a sentence about how the gameplay was actually fun.

Also, Patrick mentioned how the new gameplay features were fun and inventive, yet later in the article he says the new pitching bored him and was too slow. Well, which is it Patrick?

I also find it funny when people complain about graphics in a sports game. I mean, different things matter to different people but for sports games, graphics are usually a tertiary or even quaternary concern to me.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by sportsdude

I also find it funny when people complain about graphics in a sports game. I mean, different things matter to different people but for sports games, graphics are usually a tertiary or even quaternary concern to me.

Everyone's priorities are different. When I pay 60 dollars for a baseball game to play on my $400-$500 console, I personally want gameplay and graphics to be top notch. Maybe it's just me.