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Seems like a pretty good idea. 16 66.67%
This is a stupid idea, what a waste of time. 5 20.83%
Doesn't really matter either way, I don't even really notice. 3 12.50%
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:17 AM   #1
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QB Kneel Downs

I know Madden 12 is barely even out yet, but I'm still seeing something that has irked me for years.

The victory formation is the best time of the game for a team in the lead, but Madden always makes it feel like a -1 yard run (which it technically is).

I have played Madden for nearly 20 years, and I have never seen anything but a perfectly executed QB kneel when it's called. The reason I mention that is IRL, you may see a botched snap which could change the game drastically. But since that simply doesn't happen in Madden, I've got an idea that could add some extra excitement, or at least satisfaction to the final minute of a game.

I'd like to see a couple of options presented to you based on a few scenarios.

For example, if you get the ball back and you're in the lead with under a minute left and the opposition is out of timeouts, the game should give you an option on screen to 'Kneel It Out', or 'Play On'. So if you want to run the score up some more, you can. But if you choose 'Kneel It Out', the crowd will get all amped up, and a cut scene of you kneeling, then the offense and defense shaking hands, or whatever, and the rest of the team/coaches run out onto the field as time is expiring. As opposed to kneeling, waiting for the clock to hit zero with players standing around like they have no idea they've won and the crowd suddenly going bezerk when it flips to a cut scene after the clock hits 0:00.

Furthermore, if you're on defense and have no timeouts left, you can choose to either 'Concede Defeat' or 'Play On', which would work the same way as I just mentioned.

I think this would add a much needed conclusion to most games in Madden that seem so boring and uneventful, three kneel downs where the crowd is silent and the players just stand around. HELLO? You know you've just won the game right? No? Okay, keep standing around then.

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:20 AM   #2
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Re: QB Kneel Downs

Frankly, the defensive option doesn't make sense. The defense will put out an actual defense regardless of the offense's actions, so the offense would override the defense's selection, making it kind of useless.

The offense one does seem like a good idea though. I think I'd be for it.
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:24 AM   #3
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Frankly, the defensive option doesn't make sense. The defense will put out an actual defense regardless of the offense's actions, so the offense would override the defense's selection, making it kind of useless.

The offense one does seem like a good idea though. I think I'd be for it.
Agree and was about to post the exact same opinion. The offense should be the only one that has a choice of what to do. But the cut scene and commentary is a great idea.
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:24 AM   #4
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The reason I mention that is IRL, you may see a botched snap which could change the game drastically.
I've never seen a botched snap in a kneel-down situation in 35 years of watching football, at any level.

The closest was that infamous Giants-Eagles game in the late 70s when Herman Edwards returned a fumble for the winning TD when the Giants foolishly tried running a play instead of kneeling down.

So I don't know if a botched snap in a kneel down has ever happened in the history of football. If it hasn't, why should it be in Madden?
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:24 AM   #5
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Frankly, the defensive option doesn't make sense. The defense will put out an actual defense regardless of the offense's actions, so the offense would override the defense's selection, making it kind of useless.

The offense one does seem like a good idea though. I think I'd be for it.
I realize the CPU offense would still do the old kneel down method, but I figured some people might still want to see it all, and therefore just give them the option.
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I've never seen a botched snap in a kneel-down situation in 35 years of watching football, at any level.

The closest was that infamous Giants-Eagles game in the late 70s when Herman Edwards returned a fumble for the winning TD when the Giants foolishly tried running a play instead of kneeling down.

So I don't know if a botched snap in a kneel down has ever happened in the history of football. If it hasn't, why should it be in Madden?
I'm not saying it should be in Madden. I'm saying it won't ever happen, so why do they bother playing out the last three plays if they are boring as hell to sit through?

I also never said it happens all the time in the NFL, I'm just saying it COULD potentially happen, which is why they HAVE to play the game out... but you don't HAVE to in Madden because the possibility is NOT there at all.

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:27 AM   #7
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I like the idea of watching to the end.....it's what you see on TV. They show the sidelines, crowds, coaches, then cut back to the field to show another kneel down.

Just saw the KC/Tenn Wildcard vid, and they're all walking around with no excitement as KC's about to win their first playoff game in awhile..

Something different would be nice, a little excitement, please!
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:30 PM   #8
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I really like this idea!

It's something that has irked me for a minute and I'd also like it if I could get backup QBs to kneel the ball.

If I have a QB like Vick and he has 3 carries for 45 yards in the game, but then 3 carries for -1 for kneeling, it skews his stats... I'd like to make subs in the V formation, but also skip it at LEAST on the final one... So that once I kneel with 25 secs left on the clock and they have 0 timeouts, the Victory cutscene takes place.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:42 PM   #9
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In Madden 11 they added a single cut scene [that plays over an over again] when the game is on the line and a team is driving for the win. It has the opposing team's offense on the sideline. Some people are kneeling, some are standing, some are holing each other's hands and they all have a look of "What's gonna happen?" It was REALLY nice to see the first time... then was lame after the end of every play on that drive.

I would also like to see a "No time outs left for the Defense, kneel down" presentation and logic. Specifically, after the improved Madden 10 and 11 Superbowl presentation, I would like to see playoff presentation improved as well.

I am so glad that this year that EA finally listened to our presentation requests. Madden 09 promoted "beyond broadcast" when most of us fans wanted TV style broadcast. I hope we get some quality audio presentation for Madden 13. Gus Johnson, regardless of what you think of him, has really been done a disservice by the audio team. While Tom Hammond is dull, we know it was not all his fault either.
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Old 08-26-2011, 01:50 PM   #10
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I'm up for the game just ending if you choose to kneel it. It's really annoying when you have like 55 seconds left, your opponent doesn't have any timeouts, your winning, and you have to kneel it and watch you guys just stand around and then the game ends...

Like you suggested OP, if you are withing a time frame, have enough downs and your opponent has no TO's, you should be able to end the game there. The part that really sucks about the current system is that the accelerated clock stops within 2 minutes which is annoying because in the end the only time the clock doesn't speed up is when you're trying to kill time.
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