Madden 13 Video Community Day Roundtable Sim Standard vs Tourney style

[jpdavis82]

[jpdavis82]

Love to hear the dedication the developers have to making Madden great. I think it's going to pay off big time in the years to come. Anyone who thinks these guys are lazy needs to see this video. They aren't there yet, but with this attitude I believe they will get there and beyond some expectations people may have for Madden soon.

[Big FN Deal]

How hard people work at their job creating Madden, how well the community interacts or where Madden is headed is great to hear but is beside the point by now. Some of us are just ready to see the game be as good a representation of NFL football that other games like The Show, FIFA, NHL and NBA2k are for their respective sports. I don't begrudge any EAGCs or CE attendees personally for whatever they feel the need to say or do though, do you. However, there is nothing that's going to prove that EA/Tiburon is making Madden, that game, until they have actually made that game.

That said, enjoyed the video, propers to all the guys for a job well done because I personally can't stand being on camera, unlike SGibs that seems like a "hotdog" that loves the bright lights. lol. I meant that in a good way Sgibs, that you are not camera shy, not that you crave attention or something.

I want to add that after giving some thought to what User control or tactics should be allowed or not in the game, I think the game should not allow a User to manually do things that the AI can not stop, period, not even in HUM v HUM games. The AI in Madden is not a free thinking entity, so it has to be programmed with certain predetermined parameters, so Users, should have to be beholden to those same parameters. Until Madden can expand those parameters for the AI, by representing more fundamental football aspects with inherent risk/reward, the game should at least have some factory setting/option, that limits User control within those parameters as well. I am not talking about "Fair Play" where Users are restricted from going for 4th downs but a setting that places presnap restrictions on User control.

If I had to simplify it, I would say the setting restrict most presnap offensive/defensive adjustments, besides audibling to a completely different play, slide protections and defensive disguising. Let any defensive shifts be tied into the AI according to how the offense is aligned on the field. Finally NO manually moving any offensive or defensive players presnap, even when User controlled.

I think a setting like this would level the playing field for the AI and consequently for HUM v HUM games as well. I understand that his leaves offenses and defenses subjective to whatever "holes" there are in the stock plays and the AI's ability to perform those plays but at least that narrows the issues down versus what we have now with all the freestyle ad lib available.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Love to hear the dedication the developers have to making Madden great. I think it's going to pay off big time in the years to come. Anyone who thinks these guys are lazy needs to see this video. They aren't there yet, but with this attitude I believe they will get there and beyond some expectations people may have for Madden soon.

Here's hoping they don't use the Activision-Blizzard definition of "soon".

It is the right attitude. But, just like in the sport, it's the execution we need to see.

I hope you're right and that your view is the one that comes to pass. I really do, because I want a great game like everyone here. Just going to wait before getting more bullish, so to speak, on the future beyond M13.

[at23steelers]

@Big: It's all a question of realism vs. user control. I agree, I tend to side with realism there. Also, I liked rgiles point that some of the "cheese" people don't even know about. I liked using slant out sometimes in games, but never knew it wasn't sim until the devs took it out of the game!!

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Love to hear the dedication the developers have to making Madden great. I think it's going to pay off big time in the years to come. Anyone who thinks these guys are lazy needs to see this video. They aren't there yet, but with this attitude I believe they will get there and beyond some expectations people may have for Madden soon.

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have NFL football back finally. I wouldn't ever say or think any dev is lazy, they have a hard job, but I think some of the shortcuts Tiburon has taken with gameplay could be perceived as lazy.

[JerzeyReign]

He loves that Sim v. Freestyle topic, lol

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I don't begrudge any EAGCs or CE attendees personally for whatever they feel the need to say or do though, do you. However, there is nothing that's going to prove that EA/Tiburon is making Madden, that game, until they have actually made that game.

I don't believe we felt a need to say or do anything. We were simply approached by the Gibs & Farls tandem to speak to the perceived differences between tourney gamers and sim gamers. We did segway into developer work ethic and effort, but that wasn't intended to be the focus of the discussion.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

I don't believe we felt a need to say or do anything. We were simply approached by the Gibs & Farls tandem to speak to the perceived differences between tourney gamers and sim gamers. We did segway into developer work ethic and effort, but that wasn't intended to be the focus of the discussion.

I didn't mean anything by that Rgiles, just another way of me saying you guys are just freely speaking your minds and not trying to convince anyone of anything.

On a side note, I can't believe you let them get away with somehow not adding the live ticker from NCAA 13 into Madden 13. And you call yourself a presentation guy. lol j/k

[speedy9386]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Here's hoping they don't use the Activision-Blizzard definition of "soon". It is the right attitude. But, just like in the sport, it's the execution we need to see. I hope you're right and that your view is the one that comes to pass. I really do, because I want a great game like everyone here. Just going to wait before getting more bullish, so to speak, on the future beyond M13.

Or god forbid the natural motion definition for soon. (My backbreaker heads know what I'm talking about)