In a nutshell, what's wrong with next gen madden.

[Big FN Deal]

At the risk of frustrating myself, I want to comment on the AI and general parameters in EA football games. Like KB just mentioned, it seems to be more a case of not wanting to program a nuanced realistic challenge than not being able.

It confuses me when I see things said like, "we don't want to add something like player demands to free agency without explaining to gamers exactly why the player didn't sign". That sounds like they don't want to have the challenge of not signing who you want without divulging exactly why, so you can know exactly how to sign them anyway. lol. However, for things I would think they should inform gamers more about, like sliders and ratings, they leave for User trial and error.

In regards to game play, I just don't understand why the CPU and AI in general is not more meticulous and data driven. For instance, I often mention the VIP system from NFL2k that stored gamers playstyles and could be used to attempt to get the CPU to mimic a User. It's know years later and I don't see how some improved system has not run with and expanded on that idea. Not specifically the VIP system but the premise of each coach and in-game player having a certain style, including inherent strengths and weaknesses.

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by adfletch71

There was RISK/REWARD in the passing game. So current console can do it, it's just EA mindset that caters too the casual/tournament gamers that has dummed down the passing game.

You continue to run around with this risk/reward sentiment. I think it's totally off-base. I'd argue that right now, there's too much risk in the passing game when you consider you can't completely trust the defenders. In M12, defenders are liable to make impossible plays b/c they have the flexibility to turn on a dime + the poor trajectories.

The current passing game has problems, but the lack of risk isn't one of them.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

You continue to run around with this risk/reward sentiment. I think it's totally off-base. I'd argue that right now, there's too much risk in the passing game when you consider you can't completely trust the defenders. In M12, defenders are liable to make impossible plays b/c they have the flexibility to turn on a dime + the poor trajectories. The current passing game has problems, but the lack of risk isn't one of them.

There is a risk/reward issue in the pass game. You can't trust the defenders/what you see, but when they DON'T pull that crap you mention, the coverage is average at best.

I think it's because there isn't a good risk/reward system. But for the bs, the challenge might not be there at all. Only on occasion do they make a realistic good play. Other times, it seems to be "hax-like" plays or horrid "what is he doing??" coverage.

The only risk is an unrealistic one, but outside of that, there's little risk, imo, especially without going down to a very low User offense in sliders and/or a horrid QB.

[Broncos86]

The problem isn't black and white. There isn't just "risk" and "reward." That's too narrow. The problem is that certain plays have no risk, other plays have incredible risk. And how you approach the passing game can dictate your point of view on this. Someone who likes to throw posts in front of the safeties will have a vastly different view from someone who works slants and swing routes.

Then you start to get into the area of DB vision and that whole bit. Your eyes see a play and think "money," only to have a DB (whose back is turned) stop on a dime, turn around, and take a pick-six. That was a real frustration of mine, because I wanted to take advantage of a deep route taking away a DB, then hit the slot receiver running an out-route underneath. Well, as we all know, the DB on the deep WR would just stop and make a play on the out route.

That being said, the scenario I described should be corrected in '13.

[22cedric]

Mike Young & Cam Weber discuss the future of Madden Nfl Football #InterestingPodcast

http://www.gamesradar.com/box-score-podcast-008/

[22cedric]

It's been stated that we won't see any more staleness & lack of innovation in Madden Football games & that the EA Sports Madden dev team wants to bring quality & depth back up every year bulding on to the release of the next gen consoles.