Staff Roundtable: Madden NFL 12 Demo Impressions

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by 31

Some people just want to visit the Madden forum to get info and talk about Madden. Some people don't want NFL 2k5 thrown in their face in every thread.

And I can understand that. Not sure why all of a sudden this is focused on 2K5, when I brought up a bunch of older games. And I'm sure I'm not the one that introduced it into this thread in the first place. And who said I cared about someone's enjoyment of the game? There are many people on this board that have commented incessantly on anything negative that's been said about the demo, the game, etc. And for the most part those persons' views aren't being challenged or curbed - at least I know I haven't set out to purposely curb someone's enthusiasm.

The point I've tried to make is while people get angry at other people for bringing up older games, those older games are only relevant because Madden has allowed them to remain so.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by IntellectualAssassin

Again, I'm more anti-Madden then I am pro-2K5.

Ok. You're one of those types of posters. To ignore you go.

Quote: Originally Posted by IntellectualAssassin

Well then you couldn't be further off base. You think people actually come here to criticize Madden just for ****s and giggles?

I know they do.

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Not everyone is oblivious to the games issues and buries their hand in the sand.

Exactly, and sometimes, you just want to talk about the game or try to find solutions to the issues via sliders or something instead of yet another list of things someone doesn't like with a "why isn't it fixed yet?"

I read enough QQ on the SC2 forums LOL :P

I mean, I saw the flaws in M10, tried my best to fix them, at least to my satisfaction with sliders. Just because I didn't make, or want to read, a detailed list of "everything that sucks compared to (insert old game here)" doesn't mean I want to be (or am) oblivious.

[KBLover]

Anyway, just got the demo, playing out first game (man I'm rusty, first pass...with AARON RODGERS...is picked off LOL).

I LIKE the no commentary. Love it, love it, love it. Sad that it's only because it was done on purpose for the demo. Then again, "analysts" in booths drive me up a wall a lot of times irl.

I haven't screwed around with many settings (except to put the speed threshold a little lower to 35). I saw many people playing on very slow, so I'm going to put it on that for now. Wonder if it impacts things in terms of on the field play (i.e. players play differently, not just slower animating)

Haven't seen a penalty yet.

So far, I'm still on the fence, I saw the new features for franchise and that might make me want to do it if I can at least tolerate the game play.

[TombSong]

I made a post pointing to game features that I feel are needed in any football game because they are features that are apart of real football. I point out how older football games had those features and madden does not. I also pointed out thingsm that need to be addressed in madden. No one speaks to those issues. Instead they want to argue about why madden is compared to older games instead of the talking points. Like some of you did not like things in older games, there are some of us that dont like what we are seeing in this new game. Why cant we say that without being targeted for having agendas or hating ?

This is a forum. If you dont like what someone is saying you can choose to post why you disagree or you can ignore it. Why do we have people policing other peoples views of the game ? Then you got the dr. Phils who think they can tell you why you post what you post as if they are mind readers and are wrong as wrong can be and are they themselves the main reason why a lot of threads end up off topic.

That said, this madden 12 demo has shown the game has improved in some areas and is still lagging behind the times in others. Thats how i feel about it.

[adfletch71]

Im a 2k5 football game fan. I have been on this forum for 6 years debating, pleading and hoping that EA get it right. Madden has made positive changes over the 6 years on next-gen, put they have been stagnate in others. I listen to some guys and wonder, do they actually care about quality or just that is the NFL and they need there fix. For some that have played 2k5 and know about the immersion of the game, presentation and overall gameplay, all we want is the same for MADDEN.

Even though Madden is the only game on the NFL market, that doesn't mean I have to settle for whatever they give and just say" OHH it's the only NFL game or Just use sliders to help fix the skating and other things that stick there ugly head up. When Ian made that statement that" He was going to make us forget about NFL2k5, I was hopefully because he said he played it a lot and understood what people was talking about. Well it's Madden12 and from the demo, they have improved, just are missing a lot of fundamentals as well.

I think is because a lot of people on this forum have been playing Madden exclusively on consoles and never got outside of the gameplay and presentation it offers. If u played NFL2k5 and ALLPRO2k8 and they where flawed in areas too, but the overall experience they bring too football fundamentals are unparalleled on current-gen consoles. The gameplay aspect of ALLPRO2k8 is tremendous with there OL/DL interactions, WR/CB interactions, foot planting, animations, difference between players, sideline interactions..etc. NFL2k5 presentation is still unmatched even with NBA2k11 and THE SHOW at the helm.

All I want is MADDEN to get too that level where I can say 2k5 your irreverent, ALLPRO2k8 your on the shelf. There nothing wrong with debate and constructive criticism, so that will continue until MADDEN get it right, because we can't compare other MADDENS to current, because they have been so fundamentally bad. So until madden gets " True too the GAME", I'll keep debating. SHOOT, I can't get a pass interference call to save my life....lol

[CRMosier_LM]

Quote: Originally Posted by adfletch71

Im a 2k5 football game fan. I have been on this forum for 6 years debating, pleading and hoping that EA get it right. Madden has made positive changes over the 6 years on next-gen, put they have been stagnate in others. I listen to some guys and wonder, do they actually care about quality or just that is the NFL and they need there fix. For some that have played 2k5 and know about the immersion of the game, presentation and overall gameplay, all we want is the same for MADDEN. Even though Madden is the only game on the NFL market, that doesn't mean I have to settle for whatever they give and just say" OHH it's the only NFL game or Just use sliders to help fix the skating and other things that stick there ugly head up. When Ian made that statement that" He was going to make us forget about NFL2k5, I was hopefully because he said he played it a lot and understood what people was talking about. Well it's Madden12 and from the demo, they have improved, just are missing a lot of fundamentals as well. I think is because a lot of people on this forum have been playing Madden exclusively on consoles and never got outside of the gameplay and presentation it offers. If u played NFL2k5 and ALLPRO2k8 and they where flawed in areas too, but the overall experience they bring too football fundamentals are unparalleled on current-gen consoles. The gameplay aspect of ALLPRO2k8 is tremendous with there OL/DL interactions, WR/CB interactions, foot planting, animations, difference between players, sideline interactions..etc. NFL2k5 presentation is still unmatched even with NBA2k11 and THE SHOW at the helm. All I want is MADDEN to get too that level where I can say 2k5 your irreverent, ALLPRO2k8 your on the shelf. There nothing wrong with debate and constructive criticism, so that will continue until MADDEN get it right, because we can't compare other MADDENS to current, because they have been so fundamentally bad. So until madden gets " True too the GAME", I'll keep debating. SHOOT, I can't get a pass interference call to save my life....lol

The issue isn't whether some likes 2k or not. The issue is that this is an impression thread for the Madden 12 demo. Talk of other games has no place in this thread. Go to the 2k forum to discuss 2k. No one will jump on you here off you don't lime this or that about the Madden 12 demo, but when you start comparing it to a game that most of us thought wasn't very good then oh will have people all over you. Especially since it is basically against the TOS to do so. You don't see us in the 2K threads or people in the tiger woods threads talking about golden tee do you? I understand you folks are bitter about not having the game you love anymore but put the blame where It Is due... And that is on 2K and the NFL. It's not EA's fault that 2k cheapened the NFL brand by dropping the price because they couldnt compete in sales.

[adfletch71]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

The issue isn't whether some likes 2k or not. The issue is that this is an impression thread for the Madden 12 demo. Talk of other games has no place in this thread. Go to the 2k forum to discuss 2k. No one will jump on you here off you don't lime this or that about the Madden 12 demo, but when you start comparing it to a game that most of us thought wasn't very good then oh will have people all over you. Especially since it is basically against the TOS to do so. You don't see us in the 2K threads or people in the tiger woods threads talking about golden tee do you? I understand you folks are bitter about not having the game you love anymore but put the blame where It Is due... And that is on 2K and the NFL. It's not EA's fault that 2k cheapened the NFL brand by dropping the price because they couldnt compete in sales.

LOL...Hey CR.

Why would u be in the 2k threads, 2k doesn't make NFL games anymore. OHHH that's right, EA is the only one. So with that, will continue to debate and give opinions.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

The issue isn't whether some likes 2k or not. The issue is that this is an impression thread for the Madden 12 demo. Talk of other games has no place in this thread.

I think it does if it has a direct relationship to areas that Madden needs to improve. Giving examples is the best way to illustrate something and make it easy for others to understand. So it really is talking about Madden when you compare features and game play to other games.

Seems you just don't like when someone tactfully illustrates a deficiency in Madden. Me, I encourage it. Hopefully it helps the game improve.

But hey, at least you didn't call the guy stupid.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

I understand you folks are bitter about not having the game you love anymore but put the blame where It Is due... And that is on 2K and the NFL. It's not EA's fault that 2k cheapened the NFL brand by dropping the price because they couldnt compete in sales.

*sigh*

Again, suspend belief/common sense and don't factor in NCAA exclusivity either. Or the documented evidence of what really occurred between summer '04 and spring '05. Nobody's saying "I'll only be happy if 2K comes back!". The criticisms, which you so conveniently duck and hide behind with the bitterness view, are the issues people have with Madden itself.