Which dropped features from a previous Madden 04-09 need to be reinstated?

[miaturne]

Two questions:

1. which feature(s) from a previous version of madden were dropped and should be put back in or reconsidered for a future version.

2. Alternatively, which features are in Madden 11, that have been in for some time (e.g. the hit stick) and need to be reverted to their original effectiveness?

Please, do not use this thread to suggest new ideas that have never been in Madden before. We all know that there are alot of new things that should be put in the game, but this thread's focus is on what Madden previously did right and dropped. I ask this, b/c ALOT of my friends are now going back and purchasing (sometimes) very old versions of Madden because they say "

it may not be perfect or as pretty as M11, but they got xxx right."

[falconfansince81]

1. features i'd like to see brought back
• vision cone (option)
• fair play settings for online play
• pass/run commit
• individual db shading
• create a play
• wr spotlight for online play

2. features that used to work
• you already nailed the 'miss stick' but i'll mention it again
• the logical & efficient audible system, not strat pad
• truck stick, otherwise power backs just fall forward and are limited
• power and finesse moves for defensive linemen seem ineffective
• route based passing
• precision passing seems less effective as well

[stp2081]

Quote: Originally Posted by falconfansince81

1. features i'd like to see brought back • vision cone (option) • pass/run commit 2. features that used to work • you already nailed the 'miss stick' but i'll mention it again • the logical & efficient audible system, not strat pad • truck stick, otherwise power backs just fall forward and are limited

I could not agree more with these points, especially vision cone. It was difficult to get used to, but it made a good difference in terms of Peyton Manning's AWR vs. say, Kevin Kolb's AWR. If you were playing with a crappy quarterback, the AWR would actually mean something since the vision cone was smaller and you'd have to bring it close to your selected WR's route to make a pass. As it stands now, if you control the QB, the AWR is largely irrelevant, since it is only you (the user) who sees the field and has the QB throw to whomever is open. (Not to mention "looking off" the defense is impossible since your QB automatically looks everywhere.)

[lisinas]

Quote: Originally Posted by stp2081

I could not agree more with these points, especially vision cone. It was difficult to get used to, but it made a good difference in terms of Peyton Manning's AWR vs. say, Kevin Kolb's AWR. If you were playing with a crappy quarterback, the AWR would actually mean something since the vision cone was smaller and you'd have to bring it close to your selected WR's route to make a pass. As it stands now, if you control the QB, the AWR is largely irrelevant, since it is only you (the user) who sees the field and has the QB throw to whomever is open. (Not to mention "looking off" the defense is impossible since your QB automatically looks everywhere.)

Yeah , i like when im playing against grossman cause 1st QB is injured and he hits 6/9 in a quarter for 80 yards with 1td 0 ints always finding open man, i mean really ? That just doesnt happen, thats why we have some players called elite , some terrible.

[Senator Palmer]

pass/run commit - why did you have to go away?

DB shading
Individual Press Coverage -- ridiculous, the amout of fun I would be having on defense if I had these two small little tools

In Season Progression
Training Camp - position drills to develop attributes (used to love taking flyers on guys and sitting them a year or two while I developed stuff like accuracy or strength, etc.)

[roadman]

This pretty much nails in a thread from about a month ago.

Missing features from previous Maddens

[TNT713]

Quote: Originally Posted by falconfansince81

1. features i'd like to see brought back • vision cone (option) • fair play settings for online play • pass/run commit • individual db shading • create a play • wr spotlight for online play 2. features that used to work • you already nailed the 'miss stick' but i'll mention it again • the logical & efficient audible system, not strat pad • truck stick, otherwise power backs just fall forward and are limited • power and finesse moves for defensive linemen seem ineffective • route based passing • precision passing seems less effective as well

I agree with some of your assessments with these exceptions...

NO - QB Vision

It's gone for a reason. It was cumbersome to use, a virtual eyesore, and it didn't simulate the actual periphery of a QB's vision. While the head turning may have added some 'realism' to the passing game, you had to completely ignore the unrealistic visual and medical issues to enjoy it. Only if the cone is INVISIBLE and the controls were as SIMPLE as the button interface might QB Vision make a triumphant return...

NO - Fair Play for Online

Also gone for a reason. While I see the need to keep this game 'fun' for the casual fan, Fair Play is censorship. One man should NEVER choose another man's play. The game should be settled between the two opponents, not some arbitrary idea about keeping to the percentages. Currently, 4th downs send players to the screen where they can make their decision. That's all the "fair play" style interference that is necessary. We can all agree that THERE'S NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL. Fair Play is the result of crying.

YES - Route Based Passing

Not only is this in the game, it's been in the game for so many years, I can't remember when it wasn't in the game. The idea that it's not in the game comes from the ability to utilize other mechanisms to throw passes (Lead passing) that are far and away used more often.

The myth that a QB will only throw in the direction a receiver is running at the time of the throw is false. It is possible (and practical) to throw passes before a receiver cuts and still deliver the ball to the proper spot along the receiver's route on almost any route from 1-9 using 3, 5, and 7-step drops.

Double move routes are not so easily lumped in though. They are exceptions to the 'route based' passes. Since most double move routes should also use a pump fake to draw coverage away from the intended attack, they are less reliably thrown on timing...

In Madden you can throw the route as it's drawn up (Route based), sight adjust the route before the cut (Lead Passing), or lead the receiver to open areas (Lead Passing).

Other than these, I agree with you. Especially the Play Creator. WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO DESIGN OUR OWN PLAYS.

Later

[Patriots1996]

I would like to see kickers and punters in superstar mode. I am a lineman, but I am also our high school's punter and placekicker, and enjoy the kicking aspect much more, and in madden (07 I think) you could be a kicker, and it was the 3rd most satisfying position, and for me especially.

[cheapargentina]

Quote: Originally Posted by Patriots1996

I would like to see kickers and punters in superstar mode. I am a lineman, but I am also our high school's punter and placekicker, and enjoy the kicking aspect much more, and in madden (07 I think) you could be a kicker, and it was the 3rd most satisfying position, and for me especially.

i want this back in but they need to add some depth to it not just a,a,a or down up

kickers feel incredible amounts of pressure and there is a lot more to kicking than just aiming and booting it

without any changes it would almost seem pointless since they took out so much from superstar

[threes_co]

Owner's Mode

Rushing Attack online

Double moves