Route Based Passing in Madden 10?

[TNT713]

Yup... Only 2 of these routes were thrown more than once...



All of these passes were thrown BEFORE the receivers made their cuts. Some earlier than others. The Post route that is in the vid twice, is one I had never tried to lead led before, so it's in there twice because I wanted to get another look at leading it...

My favorite is the Corner at the end... the ball travels about 8 yards in the air before the receiver breaks.

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[Pass_The_Cows]

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

[atomant94]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pass_The_Cows

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

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[TNT713]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pass_The_Cows

Now do it with a defense on the field and see what happens

Defense is irrelevant. What matters is the mechanics of whether you can route based pass or not... The answer is YES, you can.

Showing you what you thought was impossible is not only possible, but something that can be done in less than 10 minutes with at least 5 different routes and most any receiver...

I guess it's no use fighting... Name your defense. I'll do another vid.

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[Pass_The_Cows]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone is aware you can throw a ball a step or two at the cut but it is nowhere near what APF2k8 has. Plus the CBs seem to jump the route even more often when you throw it at the cut.

[bprioleau]

The passes you threw were essentially just thrown to the wr early rather than being based on where he is supposed to be going.
Ex: Run another Post or Out Route or Anything for that matter, but this time let the receiver keep running his route and then try to lead him, the qb won't do it, he'll throw it right to the receiver or over throw him by 5yds or so.
This would work perfect vs Zone (gotta hit the receiver between the #'s) in the window, or if your wr is wide open. But vs Man-Man, if the Defender has any talent he'll make a play on the ball, or in Madden's case make a death-defying INT
The passing IMO should be Coverage based.

[TNT713]

Quote: Originally Posted by bprioleau

The passes you threw were essentially just thrown to the wr early rather than being based on where he is supposed to be going. Ex: Run another Post or Out Route or Anything for that matter, but this time let the receiver keep running his route and then try to lead him, the qb won't do it, he'll throw it right to the receiver or over throw him by 5yds or so. This would work perfect vs Zone (gotta hit the receiver between the #'s) in the window, or if your wr is wide open. But vs Man-Man, if the Defender has any talent he'll make a play on the ball, or in Madden's case make a death-defying INT The passing IMO should be Coverage based.

You can lead a receiver after his cut as well. It is more pronounced on long throw, slow, arcing throws.

I just did another video... I'll edit it tomorrow after work. This time it's Deep outs and hooks vs. Man defense. Got some good ones...

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[Valdarez]

This isn't route based passing. It's Lead Passing. It's completely different. In the example I provided, there's no use of any Lead Passing (Max Passing) to actually hit the receiver in their route. You're using Lead Passing to attempt to pick a spot to where the WR is meant to run their route in an attempt to mimic route based passing.

This is real route based passing. Not emulated. Notice the ball leaves the QB's hand before the receiver even begins making the cuts on their routes. There's no use of Max Passing to achieve route based passing in the examples below.



The addition of route based passing is only half of the problem. The big problem with Madden is the ability to throw/catch anytime, which simply isn't realistic, and it's the primary reason Madden has had to add to many defensive cheats to the game in order to compensate for the unrealistic passing game.

[TNT713]

As promised... Video #2 of a 3 part set... There's no audio on this, but I may add it if the discussion requires that the video be narrated.



NONE of the passes in this video used "Lead" on any of the passes. There is no action on the stick in any of these throws. The only variations are:

- Intended Receiver
- Pressure on the icon button
- Speed on the icon button
- Timing of the throw

The footage for part 3 is already on tape... All I need is a video to prove that I can actually do it with ONE FINGER. I'll get someone to film me doing it on Sunday... Look for part 3 soon.

If there are still naysayers after part 3 is done... I'm not going to know what to tell ya.

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[raiders81tim]

Thats great, but doing this in a real game will just get you a ton of ints. It's nice thats its there, but whats the point if it doesn't function correctly in game?