More Physics Issues Madden 10 vid vs NFL 2K5

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by dat swag

1. Take a look at the playbooks..They are the SAME for the last 6-7 years...They add the Flavor of the Month formation here and there but the playbooks are pretty much identical...So my point is...They aren't doing anything progressive or creative with the playbooks. Shouldn't we have custom team playbooks on offense and defense by now with differing terminology for each team???...WE saw custom team playbooks in 2k4 and 2k5. Madden uses the same plays shuffled around in each team playbook. You mean to tell me in the 4-5 years we have been on this gen of consoles somebody at Tiburon could not have undertook the job of revamping the playbooks and terminology??? 2. Did you say Madden 2011???!!!...I don't want to hear about Madden 2011, 2012 or 2013...Thats the Bull$h!t they run on us every year...They ole ...Wait until next year Okee Doke. 3. Expectations...I don't think its too much to ask or expect to want EA to at least try and innovate...When I say innovate I mean attempting to move forward with physics...There are examples all around us such as BackBreaker...At the end of the day why EA would not devote time, technology and resources to physics just boggles my mind because we could have played Madden 06 thru 09 on the Xbox or Ps2. hell 2k5 has better physics and animations than Madden 2010. 4. Ordinarily I'd say we all would be jumping the gun with criticism of Madden but seeing how there is no precedent to prove that the game will be any different than past seasons...I think its safe to say that what we see is what we will get...Another new coat of paint over the Pinto... 5. I'd rather have a development team that had their own vision and didn't need to solicit "How to Make a Football Game" from this or any other forum...Don't get me wrong I appreciate EA and Tiburon reaching out to the community and the transparency of everything but I wouldn't be one bit offended if they just made a great game and never posted one word on a forum.

1. You may have a point with the playbooks from 2002 to 2009, but you haven't seen 2010, which was my point. Unless you want to go against a CD members and call them out.......... Plus, I personally know they addtied some gap power running plays to the Packers arsenal. I think the offensive plays are fine, I'd like to personally see 3 tiered play calling on the defensive side. Personally, as far as custom playbooks go, I just don't have the time anymore to draw up plays in the sand. That doesn't mean I don't think they should be included for others.

2. I'm going off of Ian and what a CD member said about 2011. If you don't want to believe them and call them out for lying, that's your deal.

3. The jury, for me, is out with your example of BB. I've seen some arcade tackles with the videos. Pro-tak could be call innovating for EA, but I'm sure others will rally around and say , Oh, 2k had it. All I'm going by is that EA hasn't had that innovation before.

4. If you want to keep living in the past, that's your prerogative. I'll take my chances with 10 and judge myself if it's much (and I do mean much) improved compared to 09. For me, presentation needs to ramped up considerable and Robo QB gone.

5. Doesn't bother me a bit one way or the other. Maybe all the whining would disappear if they disappeared, but I doubt it. You keep on bringing up the Mickey D's business model. Maybe they tried that model in the past and it wasn't working, so, they decided to try something "innovative" to the EA business model and step into the forums.

6. This one is for Apex only. If you want to call me out and call me sheep with no standards on the net, by all means, have at it. Primarily, I purchase the game on a yearly basis to play one on one with my son. He receives a lot of joy beating good old dad.

I will not give up that yearly tradition that our son enjoys.

[farnzworth]

While I think CONSTRUCTIVE criticism can be healthy for a product, I don't think it is FAIR to pick and choose like many 2k fans choose to do.

Honestly, I love APF. I think it is an amazing football game (one of my favorites of all time). I have made quite a few in depth highlight reels to prove it... but it is NOT a perfect game.

It is not fair to pick one clip to say "Hey look how good 2k does this... and how bad EA does this..." You could dissect my highlight videos and see all the BAD things 2k does... like the clipping in the tackles, like the warp sliding after the play, like the weird "hunched over" sprinting some guys do when they are chasing, like a DT being able to keep pace with walter payton on a 40 yd TD... I could go on and on.

The point being, you can't choose to be super critical about EA using 2k without being super critical of 2k. That is not fair.

[farnzworth]

Lets look at some things...

Physics? :23

Running? :47 who taught Jerry to run like that?

WOW 1:07 that DT is really fast

??? 1:22 what happened in that tackle?

1:25 Great Catch jerry... one handed... never brings two to the ball... hit on the ball... no fumble.

2:00 physics?

I think you can get my point...

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by NYyankz225

they didnt fix something... They fixed a lot. Gang tackling? Went above expectations. Realistic speeds? Check. Add sliders? Check. Improved momentum? Check (if you dont see the difference youre blind). Improved wr db interactions/jostling? Check. Tipped passes? Check. Procedural awareness? Check. Realistic throwing (no more arcs that reach above the atmosphere)? More realistic inaccurate passing (not every pass caught tipped or intercepted)? Check. Player lock? Check. An actual pocket? Check. Signature throwing styles for every single starting qb? Check. Improved presentation? Highlight show? Check. Check. Proper depth of field effects? Check. Improved stadium/crowd noise? Check. Franchise progression fixed? Check. Online franchise? Check. Coop? Check. Adaptive AI? Check. Addressed qb sneak issue? Check. Addressed fb dive issue? Check. Added wildcat? Check. Customizable jerseys? Check. ... Id say theres a lot to be happy about.

One thing about your list. They tried to address everything on your list - it doesn't necessarily mean they fixed it. Of course we won't know for sure until the game releases. It's obvious the team has worked hard, but it doesn't necessarily mean they've worked smart. I could work hard/study to pass a test; if I don't get enough answers right I'll fail. It's not based on the effort I'm making.

And another thing about community involvement: I think it'll be interesting to see what gamers that haven't scoured the internet for every scrap of Madden info will think about the game. What the perception of gamers that haven't been marketed to/"community involved" think about the game. If you go to a site like Gametrailers that has a lot of M10 media, you don't see people having the same overexcited, "they did so much!" reaction - it looks like a natural progression of the game to many of them:

http://www.gametrailers.com/search.p...&s=madden%2010

While I love OS, I'm not silly or arrogant enough to think that it's the sole environment on the internet that has knowledgeable sports gamers. I'm sure we all appreciate the developer presence here. But whether intentional or not, their presence does seem to have something of an infomercial effect, where people are being marketed to. So your perception may be different from someone that hasn't seen "the show". I'm not trying to denigrate the devs efforts. I remember someone posted a side by side movie of '09 & '10 and I remember being shocked at how poor the OL/DL play was - in part because last year we were being told how Madden '09 had made the biggest gameplay leap in Madden history, or something like that. And in part because I played less than 10 complete '09 games. Just saying that the marketing effect can't be marginalized.

[xylocaine]

To me Tron Jogging has to do with the way cpu controlled players can cut at right angles.
It's like there is not plant foot to make a turn. IMO 2K does this much better.
Some of you need to quit drinking the cool aid and just take it for what it is. I enjoy both games and feel Madden is going to be great this year, but some of the player models and animations are still lacking. This shouldn't be a game killer by any means if the game plays well and has good atmosphere.

[Finsfan46]

Still going with this over analyzation of an EDITED PROMO VIDEO ?

Is this the best you guys can come up with for the Holiday weekend ? This thread has turned pitiful......Now we gotta keep reading these threads, for more little catch phrases and stuff ......I mean you started calling people sheep, and saying people dont have standards, like you guys are the Symbol of Standards in America.....PLEASE ! Man just get out of here with that junk ! ......this is friggin ridiculous !

This video should not have gotten this kinda reaction, it is a Promo video..... But I guess I cant even explain that to you, you have avoided reading it like 10+ times in this thread....prolly so you all could keep spewing this garbage.... oh yeah, but your not Haters

Please dont forget.......It's just a Video Game

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by Finsfan46

Still going with this over analyzation of an EDITED PROMO VIDEO ? Is this the best you guys can come up with for the Holiday weekend ? This thread has turned pitiful......Now we gotta keep reading these threads, for more little catch phrases from this little possee of clowns ? Yeah, I said clowns....you wanna start calling people sheep, and saying people dont have standards, like you guys are the Symbol of Standards in America.....PLEASE ! Man just get out of here with that junk ! ......this is friggin ridiculous ! This video should not have gotten this kinda reaction, it is a Promo video..... But I guess I cant even explain that to you, you have avoided reading it like 10+ times in this thread....prolly so you all could keep spewing this garbage.... oh yeah, but your not Haters Oh yeah...dont forget.......It's just a Video Game

lol...I agree with "it's just a game", but you sure seem awfully worked up over "just a game."

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

One thing about your list. They tried to address everything on your list - it doesn't necessarily mean they fixed it. Of course we won't know for sure until the game releases. It's obvious the team has worked hard, but it doesn't necessarily mean they've worked smart. I could work hard/study to pass a test; if I don't get enough answers right I'll fail. It's not based on the effort I'm making. And another thing about community involvement: I think it'll be interesting to see what gamers that haven't scoured the internet for every scrap of Madden info will think about the game. What the perception of gamers that haven't been marketed to/"community involved" think about the game. If you go to a site like Gametrailers that has a lot of M10 media, you don't see people having the same overexcited, "they did so much!" reaction - it looks like a natural progression of the game to many of them: http://www.gametrailers.com/search.p...&s=madden%2010 While I love OS, I'm not silly or arrogant enough to think that it's the sole environment on the internet that has knowledgeable sports gamers. I'm sure we all appreciate the developer presence here. But whether intentional or not, their presence does seem to have something of an infomercial effect, where people are being marketed to. So your perception may be different from someone that hasn't seen "the show". I'm not trying to denigrate the devs efforts. I remember someone posted a side by side movie of '09 & '10 and I remember being shocked at how poor the OL/DL play was - in part because last year we were being told how Madden '09 had made the biggest gameplay leap in Madden history, or something like that. And in part because I played less than 10 complete '09 games. Just saying that the marketing effect can't be marginalized.

http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=910

Did you see this article on OS Spank?

I think it touches on some of what you've been saying the few posts.

If anything, it's an interesting read.

One developer from The Show makes some comments.

If you have, sorry about that.

[Bacardi151]

Guys,

I want to remind you all to throttle back just a bit when an argument begins to turn towards other users or a segment of the community. Try to lay off calling others clowns, sheep or some other term which would be considered a stigma in said context. Though your thoughts might be very valid, another will take that one sentence and it will go downhill from there.

People on both sides have valid points, but remember that at the end of the day this is a discussion thread just as all the others. Getting personal will not be tolerated; this includes spouting off at the dev team as well as regular OS users.

[Grydnt Vektr211]

it will definitely be fixed next yr though. I know it. They have a short development cycle, and probably couldn't get everything done all at once.

I hope