More Physics Issues Madden 10 vid vs NFL 2K5

[MattIntellect]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

This is constructive criticism. Apex didn't say EA sucks, he said the physics isn't right and showed his examples. Why is it when people point out problems it's automatically bashers and 2k5 fans wanting to spread hate? Not everyone is in love with what they see and the reason the developers supposedly post here is to find out why so they can fix it.

I wasn't talking about Apex. That was just an example of what people are doing in this thread. Because the running animations aren't up to par to their standards, they mention things like EA giving up the license, and things of that nature rather than giving constructive criticism. Some times Apex does leave the realm of constructive criticism though.

[apexbronx]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

I said it shows signs of being marginally better. After madden 06-09, I need proof this stuff is fixed. In the words of George W. Bush, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, uh ur um- well your not gonna fool me again." Apex shows people what they don't want to see -- holes in the story we've been told. Turn on a dime animations and players with low break tackle ratings breaking through multiple lb tackles look alive and well. Let's add jostling and procedural awareness to the list of questionables since no can really say they've seen them in vids yet either. That's four major gameplay issues supposedly fixed that don't appear to be.

100% Agreed

[apexbronx]

Quote: Originally Posted by dat swag

IMO the evidence is solid...You can't deny the physics when you see the video...There is nothing iffy about a defensive player making an impactive tackle that stands a ball carrier up or stops his momentum only to see the ball carrier mythically and magically plow through the defender seconds later as if he was never there... The running animations are horrid...I just see alot of problems and the weird thing is the more I see NFL2k5 and APF it makes me want to play those games more than Madden 10. Too many people here are simply happy to share the forum with Ian and CO...Its almost like a HS crush...I respect EA, Ian and what they are TRYING to do but IMO what they are doing isn't enough...The game doesn't appear to be making a leap to next gen...Its a calvalcade of Tweaks and band aids on top of an old delapidated engine that has been used waaaay too long. Next gen should have been a committment to PHYSICS and the laws and principles that govern physics through NFL Football. I will buy the game and hope to be pleasantly suprised and flat out wrong..If I'm wrong about this game I'll be the first to give EA their kudos..But as I see it right now the game isn't making the needed changes and too many people are far more into chatting and loving on Ian than they are into holding EA/Tiburon accountable for the last 5 years of next gen that have been an utter failure. Every year t=its an excuse...It was Strauser's or Ortiz' fault...Now its Ian who has the keys to the Ferrari... and all I really hear are exciuses...The running animations were set on slow???...yeah right...I mean I thought I was a huge EA apologist but some of the people on this forum take it to a new level. WE need more ApexBronx and Choof Chasers holding EA accountable and calling out their development teams on the sheer and utter nonsense that we keep getting by way of MADDEN NFL FOOTBALL. I don't want to hear the nonsense about "Just enjoy it for what it is"..Please...that means accepting and approving of mediocrity...If the people at Tiburon can't get it right...Get the game in the hands of people who know what to do with the game and how to move it forward. here we are 5-6 years into next gen and the damn playbooks have not changed since 2002???..Like Apex has said..we have been funding the hell outta this company and this game and every year we get a promise of next year...

Thank you. Hey some people are Sheeple, and have no Standards. They want nobody else to have standards either Shame

[MattIntellect]

Quote: Originally Posted by apexbronx

100% Agreed

I guess we'll just see on August 14th, but you're doing the NCAA guys a huge favor by not making a video on NCAA 10.

[droopizzle34]

Quote: Originally Posted by MattIntellect

I guess we'll just see on August 14th, but you're doing the NCAA guys a huge favor by not making a video on NCAA 10.

whooooo boy! 'Pex would eat the NCAA devs alive!

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Where do you get the notion that the playbooks haven't changed since 02? Do you know something about 10 that others don't? There was a CD member a few pages back mentioned the playbook had many changes besides Wildcat from 09 to 10. Also, what has already been explained by the same CD member a few pages back is that 11 will have animations as a priority. I don't recall Ian or anyone from the team saying they will promise to fix all animations for 10. Also, you can't put all the blame on Ian and company for not doing enough for 10 without playing the game. 90% of the wishlist was put into the game. Also, your barking up the wrong tree with HS crushes on Ian with me. It's just another person on the net that I don't know IRL. Some people in this thread expectations were set too darn high if they thought everything but the kitchen sink would be put into 10. I don't think I need to list all the improvements with 10. You can burn all you want with 06, 07, 08, and 09, and I don't have a problem with that. My issue is people already hanging 10 out to dry without playing the game. It's all just pure speculation and educated guesses if the game is good or not at this point.

1. Take a look at the playbooks..They are the SAME for the last 6-7 years...They add the Flavor of the Month formation here and there but the playbooks are pretty much identical...So my point is...They aren't doing anything progressive or creative with the playbooks. Shouldn't we have custom team playbooks on offense and defense by now with differing terminology for each team???...WE saw custom team playbooks in 2k4 and 2k5. Madden uses the same plays shuffled around in each team playbook. You mean to tell me in the 4-5 years we have been on this gen of consoles somebody at Tiburon could not have undertook the job of revamping the playbooks and terminology???

2. Did you say Madden 2011???!!!...I don't want to hear about Madden 2011, 2012 or 2013...Thats the Bull$h!t they run on us every year...They ole ...Wait until next year Okee Doke.

3. Expectations...I don't think its too much to ask or expect to want EA to at least try and innovate...When I say innovate I mean attempting to move forward with physics...There are examples all around us such as BackBreaker...At the end of the day why EA would not devote time, technology and resources to physics just boggles my mind because we could have played Madden 06 thru 09 on the Xbox or Ps2. hell 2k5 has better physics and animations than Madden 2010.

4. Ordinarily I'd say we all would be jumping the gun with criticism of Madden but seeing how there is no precedent to prove that the game will be any different than past seasons...I think its safe to say that what we see is what we will get...Another new coat of paint over the Pinto...

5. I'd rather have a development team that had their own vision and didn't need to solicit "How to Make a Football Game" from this or any other forum...Don't get me wrong I appreciate EA and Tiburon reaching out to the community and the transparency of everything but I wouldn't be one bit offended if they just made a great game and never posted one word on a forum.

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by apexbronx

Thank you. Hey some people are Sheeple, and have no Standards. They want nobody else to have standards either Shame

Keep doin what you do Apex...Old Madden heads like myself appreciate you not allowing EA to getv away with the constant below average product they peddle on us every year. Back inthe day it wasn't as bad because you had options but now EA MUST be held accontable and to a different standard because they force us to buy their game as the only representation of NFL Football..

[TheCreep]

Quote: Originally Posted by NYyankz225

they didnt fix something... They fixed a lot. Gang tackling? Went above expectations. Realistic speeds? Check. Add sliders? Check. Improved momentum? Check (if you dont see the difference youre blind). Improved wr db interactions/jostling? Check. Tipped passes? Check. Procedural awareness? Check. Realistic throwing (no more arcs that reach above the atmosphere)? More realistic inaccurate passing (not every pass caught tipped or intercepted)? Check. Player lock? Check. An actual pocket? Check. Signature throwing styles for every single starting qb? Check. Improved presentation? Highlight show? Check. Check. Proper depth of field effects? Check. Improved stadium/crowd noise? Check. Franchise progression fixed? Check. Online franchise? Check. Coop? Check. Adaptive AI? Check. Addressed qb sneak issue? Check. Addressed fb dive issue? Check. Added wildcat? Check. Customizable jerseys? Check. ... Id say theres a lot to be happy about.

Thats what I'm talking about right there. Get em NY, lol.
I'm tired of the, oh it shoulda coulda woulda been in the game. It WASNT, get over it. We moving from this point forward until the mission is complete.

Folks are still trying their best not to like the game of Madden. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids, get the hell outta here.

[Apologize]

Apex's voice gets on my nerves..He needs some Phonics.. But he does have some valid points..

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheCreep

Thats what I'm talking about right there. Get em NY, lol. I'm tired of the, oh it shoulda coulda woulda been in the game. It WASNT, get over it. We moving from this point forward until the mission is complete. Folks are still trying their best not to like the game of Madden. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids, get the hell outta here.

Wrong...I very much want to like and LOVE the game...That would make my year if I loved Madden but it seems like EA is doing everything in their power to limit progress...I'm not sure you can even really blame it on Tiburon...Because they can only do so much...Its the corporate infrastructure that permeates the McDonalds Business model.

Comments like yours are among some of the most ignorant comments when there is an attempt to discuss or question the direction of this game. Anybody who has half a brain knows that the majority of people even wasting thier time to visit this forum and post about Madden automatically LOVE THE GAME or shall I say Love cyber football...Apex and most others have no other motivation other than the fact that they want the best quality game for our hard earned time and money.

People like you with comments like get out of here...IMO are the real problem because you fall into that category of "sheep" willing to be lead and told anything...My guess is your a younger guy...What you don't understand is that there are alot of us who have seen this viscious Madden Cycle for almost 10 years...Every year its an excuse, a promise etc...When will we finally get a SOLID game???...2K sports did it, other gaming companies are doing it...Even other EA Sports games are doing it (i.e. NHL, FIFA)...When will Madden be more than just a name and a number because right now its that popular burger that sells 100 billion copies but has no substance or creativity...Its just a mediocre product aimed at a broad range of people...I will say this...Great business model though...EA has the business side down pat...But those of us who want and need realistic football and the very basics (like running animations, throwing animations, tackling) may never see those things expressed properly by EA