More Physics Issues Madden 10 vid vs NFL 2K5

[Segagendude]

Quote: Originally Posted by totalownership

These replies puzzle me. The guy is telling the truth and bringing something to the attention of the people and you guys really don't think it's important?

I'm "Apex'ed" out. All the vids are pretty much the same-----2k5 and APF got it right, Madden got it wrong.
Ok, I get it. Newsflash-----2k isn't coming back, and as of so far, neither is APF. The constant comparisons are just getting to be a bore to me. Ian and co. have made huge strides this year, but it seems nobody cares. "It's still not 2k5-ish". Fine. Then keep updating 2k5's rosters and you'll be set. (Ironic, though, that "updated rosters" was the main complaint in Madden, lol)
I myself am finally going to buy Madden on release day; what I've seen so far is more than enough to convince me to do so.
As some have said, it's a video game. You want realism? Unless you strap on a helmet and hit the field yourself, you probably won't get it.

*Disclaimer* This isn't directed towards anyone in particular. The use of the word "you" is nothing personal. Thank you.

[cmtbballer23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Segagendude

I'm "Apex'ed" out. All the vids are pretty much the same-----2k5 and APF got it right, Madden got it wrong. Ok, I get it. Newsflash-----2k isn't coming back, and as of so far, neither is APF. The constant comparisons are just getting to be a bore to me. Ian and co. have made huge strides this year, but it seems nobody cares. "It's still not 2k5-ish". Fine. Then keep updating 2k5's rosters and you'll be set. (Ironic, though, that "updated rosters" was the main complaint in Madden, lol) I myself and finally going to buy Madden on release day; what I've seen so far is more than enough to convince me to do so. As some have said, it's a video game. You want realism? Unless you strap on a helmet and hit the field yourself, you probably won't get it. *Disclaimer* This isn't directed towards anyone in particular. The use of the word "you" is nothing personal. Thank you.

You are dead on with this. Good stuff.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Moegames

You all know and remember how in NFL2k5 when a defender blasted the ball carrier..not with a tackle but with a straight bum rush hit..the ball carrier would litterly fly 5 yards in the air before actually coming to a complete stop.... you all remember that right?.....right? I remember when i played on D hitting a guy that would fly past the first down marker..it would bug me sometimes but yet i still enjoyed the game so much... how ironic, that was not even close to real life physics but yet the game still rocked But yet, myself and the majority of you guys still loved the freaking day lights out of NFL2k5....right?.....right? My point made, no videogame is perfect and even if the videogame is not perfect it can still be highly enjoyable like NFL2k5 was. So even though i can say this until my face is blue in the face to some hard heads in here....JUST ENJOY THE GAME FOR WHAT IT IS... madden 2010 will be a huge improvement from last year. Those that say they arent buying it...then please stop posting in these madden forums because all your doing is trying to ruin the excitement the rest of us have simply because something in your brain is stopping you from being excited about Madden2010. Im sorry if you cant accept that fact that madden wont be perfect...but until you can show me a videogame thats perfect...your argument is MOOT!!

Personally I'm not expecting perfection, but it's a pretty serious issue when you can point to much older games done on last gen hardware (and that's BOTH NFL2K5 & last gen Madden) and they compare favorably or are even better at this point than the next gen game. That's pitiful. And exclusivity makes it worse. I do understand you guys' frustration though. I guess it wouldn't rub me the wrong way so much if the devs didn't take such a "look what we did!" approach. It used to be things like defensive linemen playing like, I don't know - defensive linemen was simply expected. Now it's something to be hyped.

And despite the hyping, they still don't look to be up to what the 5yrs ago standard was.

[unisol_us]

Quote: Originally Posted by creed200569

There isnt anything iffy about it. You guys just need to open your eyes for a change. Ian has done alot of great things with Madden this year and then they still release garbage like this. That TRON jogging and hugging on Pro Tak needs to go. Animations and physics on the PS2 version of Madden look wayyy better than next gen. They have this amazing technology in front of them and this is the best they can do with their running animations,thats pathetic!!!!

That because he knows the truf! Sooner or later the rest of us will know the truf too.

[unisol_us]

Oh by the way can't wait to get this game. Oh yea baby slobbin all over EA's knob here. I will be gettin the full demo cause of my pre-order it dosen't get any better than this. It's like Christmas in August!! I even put an X on the calendar everyday until the game drops boy! I have this years cover autographed on my wall by IAN himself. God, wonder what that'll be worth someday!?!?

Kidding but these forums need some positive vibes.

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by Exonerated

Only he's said it about 100 times in 10 different 10 minute videos. And the evidence he presented was a little iffy. The thing in Madden replays is that you can't tell if a player is being user controlled. It could have been 2 humans doctoring a play to look good on a highlight real.

IMO the evidence is solid...You can't deny the physics when you see the video...There is nothing iffy about a defensive player making an impactive tackle that stands a ball carrier up or stops his momentum only to see the ball carrier mythically and magically plow through the defender seconds later as if he was never there...

The running animations are horrid...I just see alot of problems and the weird thing is the more I see NFL2k5 and APF it makes me want to play those games more than Madden 10.

Too many people here are simply happy to share the forum with Ian and CO...Its almost like a HS crush...I respect EA, Ian and what they are TRYING to do but IMO what they are doing isn't enough...The game doesn't appear to be making a leap to next gen...Its a calvalcade of Tweaks and band aids on top of an old delapidated engine that has been used waaaay too long. Next gen should have been a committment to PHYSICS and the laws and principles that govern physics through NFL Football.

I will buy the game and hope to be pleasantly suprised and flat out wrong..If I'm wrong about this game I'll be the first to give EA their kudos..But as I see it right now the game isn't making the needed changes and too many people are far more into chatting and loving on Ian than they are into holding EA/Tiburon accountable for the last 5 years of next gen that have been an utter failure. Every year t=its an excuse...It was Strauser's or Ortiz' fault...Now its Ian who has the keys to the Ferrari... and all I really hear are exciuses...The running animations were set on slow???...yeah right...I mean I thought I was a huge EA apologist but some of the people on this forum take it to a new level.

WE need more ApexBronx and Choof Chasers holding EA accountable and calling out their development teams on the sheer and utter nonsense that we keep getting by way of MADDEN NFL FOOTBALL.

I don't want to hear the nonsense about "Just enjoy it for what it is"..Please...that means accepting and approving of mediocrity...If the people at Tiburon can't get it right...Get the game in the hands of people who know what to do with the game and how to move it forward. here we are 5-6 years into next gen and the damn playbooks have not changed since 2002???..Like Apex has said..we have been funding the hell outta this company and this game and every year we get a promise of next year...

[dat swag]

Quote: Originally Posted by Segagendude

I'm "Apex'ed" out. All the vids are pretty much the same-----2k5 and APF got it right, Madden got it wrong. Ok, I get it. Newsflash-----2k isn't coming back, and as of so far, neither is APF. The constant comparisons are just getting to be a bore to me. Ian and co. have made huge strides this year, but it seems nobody cares. "It's still not 2k5-ish". Fine. Then keep updating 2k5's rosters and you'll be set. (Ironic, though, that "updated rosters" was the main complaint in Madden, lol) I myself am finally going to buy Madden on release day; what I've seen so far is more than enough to convince me to do so. As some have said, it's a video game. You want realism? Unless you strap on a helmet and hit the field yourself, you probably won't get it. *Disclaimer* This isn't directed towards anyone in particular. The use of the word "you" is nothing personal. Thank you.

Then you should never watch his videos..But any good argument or critique needs a comparative anlysis of the topic at hand...With 2K being the only available game to adequately compare to Madden 10 its a necessary evil to compare the two. His videos are not about hyping 2K...I see them more as opening eyes as to what the hell is going on with Madden 10..Its all about Madden 10 for me..I want the game to be good, fun and interesting...Yet everytime I try to apply realistic principles to what I see I get these ugly reminders that Madden just isn't being progressive...Its an old game, using an old engine thats capitalizing on OLD and new money...Its the McDonalds of VIdeogames...McMadden

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Segagendude

I'm "Apex'ed" out. All the vids are pretty much the same-----2k5 and APF got it right, Madden got it wrong. Ok, I get it. Newsflash-----2k isn't coming back, and as of so far, neither is APF. The constant comparisons are just getting to be a bore to me. Ian and co. have made huge strides this year, but it seems nobody cares. "It's still not 2k5-ish". Fine. Then keep updating 2k5's rosters and you'll be set. (Ironic, though, that "updated rosters" was the main complaint in Madden, lol) I myself am finally going to buy Madden on release day; what I've seen so far is more than enough to convince me to do so. As some have said, it's a video game. You want realism? Unless you strap on a helmet and hit the field yourself, you probably won't get it. *Disclaimer* This isn't directed towards anyone in particular. The use of the word "you" is nothing personal. Thank you.

Actually a LOT of people care. Most of these same people just don't waste time in these "I want to keep trying to ruin everyone elses excitement by saying the same thing over and over and over again" threads.

[MattIntellect]

Quote: Originally Posted by dat swag

IMO the evidence is solid...You can't deny the physics when you see the video...There is nothing iffy about a defensive player making an impactive tackle that stands a ball carrier up or stops his momentum only to see the ball carrier mythically and magically plow through the defender seconds later as if he was never there... The running animations are horrid...I just see alot of problems and the weird thing is the more I see NFL2k5 and APF it makes me want to play those games more than Madden 10. Too many people here are simply happy to share the forum with Ian and CO...Its almost like a HS crush...I respect EA, Ian and what they are TRYING to do but IMO what they are doing isn't enough...The game doesn't appear to be making a leap to next gen...Its a calvalcade of Tweaks and band aids on top of an old delapidated engine that has been used waaaay too long. Next gen should have been a committment to PHYSICS and the laws and principles that govern physics through NFL Football. I will buy the game and hope to be pleasantly suprised and flat out wrong..If I'm wrong about this game I'll be the first to give EA their kudos..But as I see it right now the game isn't making the needed changes and too many people are far more into chatting and loving on Ian than they are into holding EA/Tiburon accountable for the last 5 years of next gen that have been an utter failure. Every year t=its an excuse...It was Strauser's or Ortiz' fault...Now its Ian who has the keys to the Ferrari... and all I really hear are exciuses...The running animations were set on slow???...yeah right...I mean I thought I was a huge EA apologist but some of the people on this forum take it to a new level. WE need more ApexBronx and Choof Chasers holding EA accountable and calling out their development teams on the sheer and utter nonsense that we keep getting by way of MADDEN NFL FOOTBALL. I don't want to hear the nonsense about "Just enjoy it for what it is"..Please...that means accepting and approving of mediocrity...If the people at Tiburon can't get it right...Get the game in the hands of people who know what to do with the game and how to move it forward. here we are 5-6 years into next gen and the damn playbooks have not changed since 2002???..Like Apex has said..we have been funding the hell outta this company and this game and every year we get a promise of next year...

I guess your biggest gripe with Madden 10 is the physics. They aren't perfect. When Ian said that the players may have appeared to be jogging because of videos being captured on slow speed is an excuse to you, right? Ian, Phil, Josh, and Donny doesn't have to visit OS, but they do it because the want to, even when people within the halls of EA Tiburon are laughing at them because apparently there is nothing they can do to change how some of us feel about the game regardless of the improvements. With the developers on the forums, we have a chance to get things done construcively (constructive criticism) instead of having a bunch of posts saying that EA Sucks. I hope that you don't think that ESPN NFL 2k5 was a flawless game or was physics heaven because there were many problems with that game including clipping, which is in almost EVERY game. Nobody is here to make excuses, but it seems like as we draw closer to release, many people feel the need to bash the game, the developers, and everyone who are hopeful of Madden 10 this year, even though a vast majority of us haven't even had the games in our hands yet.

Some of the things you think are excuses are the facts. Also, you seem curious about Madden having the same old 'engine'. Read this: http://www.operationsports.com/Ian_C...-a-new-engine/
Madden's 'engines' are updated every year. I hope that this is the last time that I reference that blog.

[mrprice33]

lol @ people critiquing the heck out of a HIGHLIGHT video that was done by some marketing people in order to hype the game up for casuals...