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[Scott]

Seems accurate.

[NOBLE]

Leinart struggled in 2007, and Warner played very good the rest of the season and never let go of the starting job. I agree with most of what you said, But you fail to acknowledge that the 2008 starting job was a dead heat until Leinart had a bad quarter vs. Oakland in a pre-season game.

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Or could it be that he considered to be on the path to being a bust? Maybe the fact that after 3 years in the league he is no more proven than when he was drafted and actually is considered a worse qb by most people than what he was considered when he was drafted?

I honestly don't see how narrowly losing the starting QB race to a QB that would later play MVP-esque football and lead a team to a Super Bowl become such an indictment to a player that he would lose 20+ OVR points and make him "on the trail" of being a bust. A second-year QB got hurt and was outplayed by a 2-time NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP that had more in the tank than 99.9% people initially thought he had - the horror!

My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by NOBLE

Leinart struggled in 2007, and Warner played very good the rest of the season and never let go of the starting job. I agree with most of what you said, But you fail to acknowledge that the 2008 starting job was a dead heat until Leinart had a bad quarter vs. Oakland in a pre-season game. I honestly don't see how narrowly losing the starting QB race to a QB that would later play MVP-esque football and lead a team to a Super Bowl become such an indictment to a player that he would lose 20+ OVR points and make him "on the trail" of being a bust. A second-year QB got hurt and was outplayed by a 2-time NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP that had more in the tank than 99.9% people initially thought he had - the horror! My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

I don't think that in itself was the cause of the 20 point overall dropoff. I would say that his poor play would put him in the mid 70s by the old ratings standards and I would put vince and sage in that same general area. However, that area has now dropped pretty severely. Looking at the ratings I have seen for the most part it looks like the new ratings corresponding to the old ratings look approximately as follows

above 95, safe. You might drop some in your weak areas but will remain at the top. Some might push down below 95 but will remain high 90s

91-95, these guys seem to fill the top 3rd of the 80s and the bottom 3rd of the 90s

86-90, these guys seem to fill the lower 80s

80-85, this is where the real drop begins. It still isn't drastic and some even remain in this area but most seem to drop below 80 completely out of their original group and they seem to spread across the 70s

75-79, This is where the droppoff starts to take a real toll. These guys seem to drop all the way out of the 70s and fill to 60s.

70-74, this group should pretty much fill up the bottom of the 60s and even down into the 50s.

Matt would have fell into one of the last 2 groups before, either being top of the last group or bottom of the group before. Some of his drop has came due to performance, don't know exactly what his rating was out of the box last year but I would guess he lost 8 or 10 or so there, but then the majority of his drop, probably 12-15 points came from the expanded ratings. If in the preseason he shows the potential that was seen coming out of college he may move up but really he kinda fits into that backup level looking at his production so far.

[iBlievN5]

um vince young and sage rosenfels have both had more success than leinart.



...and westbrook is fast.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

um vince young and sage rosenfels have both had more success than leinart. ...and westbrook is fast.

Vince did help his team to the playoffs once but then the team was much better without him last year. Sage has been spotty at best, almost as many interceptions as tds, 30 to 29, and has really been nothing more than a career backup. While they may in some ways be able to be considered to have more success than matt it really isn't by much and they should and probably will be in the same area as him overall rating wise.

Oh, and brian westbrook still is not fast, never has been and never will be other than in madden. He should not be in this upcoming madden by the way especially looking at the vid you posted where nearly every time he got into the open field he got caught including getting caught twice by the same guy on one play.

[AnyGivenSunday]

Quote: Originally Posted by Maelstrom-XIII

Barber is higher because he's on "America's Team"...what a load of.......

I don't think barber was that overated last year. The team's overall was definitely overated, but the only thing I thought was overated on barber was his trucking. 99 trucking HA yeah right.

Barber is a physical back but, 99 was to much, more like 85-90 trucking.

[Zuke]

Quote: Originally Posted by NOBLE

My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

I would have it at 68-73 some were in there I hope the potential of players like Matt Leinart and others is high and allows them to become better players. If Leinart is 62 I hate to see the Cleveland Browns

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by kcarr

Vince did help his team to the playoffs once but then the team was much better without him last year. Sage has been spotty at best, almost as many interceptions as tds, 30 to 29, and has really been nothing more than a career backup. While they may in some ways be able to be considered to have more success than matt it really isn't by much and they should and probably will be in the same area as him overall rating wise. Oh, and brian westbrook still is not fast, never has been and never will be other than in madden. He should not be in this upcoming madden by the way especially looking at the vid you posted where nearly every time he got into the open field he got caught including getting caught twice by the same guy on one play.

yeah, but vince HAS started in the playoffs and has shown promise. sage has at least thrown more TDs than picks, unlike a certain USC Alum, and he has had big games (unlike the aforementioned Leinart). At one point the cardinals just wanted to give the team to leinart and he still couldn't hold the reigns for the job. it was at one point questioned should the texans have traded for schaub b/c of how good rosenfels looked... then he turned the ball over more.

westbrook is fast. ask the nfc east dbs and lbs he'll be blowing by this season.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

yeah, but vince HAS started in the playoffs and has shown promise. sage has at least thrown more TDs than picks, unlike a certain USC Alum, and he has had big games (unlike the aforementioned Leinart). At one point the cardinals just wanted to give the team to leinart and he still couldn't hold the reigns for the job. it was at one point questioned should the texans have traded for schaub b/c of how good rosenfels looked... then he turned the ball over more. westbrook is fast. ask the nfc east dbs and lbs he'll be blowing by this season.

I agree lienart hasn't done anything, vince made it to the playoffs mostly on a strong running game and good defense. Look how good the titans were once kerry took over. As for sage, he has had some good games but also has had some pretty bad games. Also, he has never been able to win the starting job in either miami or houston

Westbrook isn't that fast, more like high 80s speed, not top of the league speed, just ask all the people who catch him from behind.

[iBlievN5]

true. i was just saying that their still better players than leinart.

he's not top of the league in that, but madden speed isn't about 40times. and i couldn't find any, seems he left them all as he strolled into the endzone =P.