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[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by kcarr

Ok, lets go off of past performance. Last season he was 18th in the league in rushing yards, 18th in yards per game, 13th in rushing TDs, 20th in carries of over 20 yards, and did not have a carry over 40 yards. The year before that, by far his best season, 3rd in yards, 4th per game, 11th in tds, tied for 3rd in 20 yard carries and still no 40 yard carries. The year before that, his other really good season, 8th in yards, 10th per game, 14th in tds, 9th in 20 yard carries, and tied for 12th with 1 40 yard carry. He really only had 1 year where he was a top back running the ball. He had another where he was near top 10 running the ball and another where calling him top 10 carrying the ball would be pretty damn generous as statistically he was closer to the bottom part of the top 20. These were his 3 best seasons carrying the ball by the way. Therefore going off of that running the ball I would have to say he is not a top 10 player and as he is getting older and constantly banged up how much longer can he even maintain that? He is a very good receiving back but those numbers took a pretty sharp drop last year as well.

if you don't know how great of a RB westbrook is then you dont watch football. stats dont tell the story, the games tell the story. 14 total tds, 17th in carries being that the eagles don't run, was injured and is expected to come back in 07 form, one year removed from an MVP caliber year, the best threat out of the backfield this side of LT circa 2005. all the while being the sole focus of the opposing defense- do you know what the mantra is whenever the giants play the eagles? 22 eyes on 36, he demands the attention of the opposing team, and the only way to emulate that is his rating. and by your reckoning shouldnt everyone be lower being that: Turner has only done it one year, Williams one year, Clinton Portis doesn't break long runs enough, tom brady should go down (his stats were terrible last year! /sarc), lt had a bad year, steven jackson had an injury filled year, frank gore has injury issues, marion barber had a bad year, MJD has never had a 1,000 yard season. there are holes in everyone's rating according to your logic, but obviously the effect these players have on the game is taken into account. top two runningbacks you have to gameplan for? i invite you to look at the ratings.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

thats b/c hes constantly cutting, for example the redskins screen: catches the ball runs past 4.35 Laron Landry, and is out-running him but gets touched when cutting for the endzone. ex2: beats the whole defense on 2 runs against the giants, and lets not forget the vikings screen in the playoffs

The first run against the giants there is noone really running against him where you have a speed vs speed comparison. He got through the hole, noone took the angle to cut him off, and by the time anyone got turned around to chase it was too late. 10 of the giants players were up near the line and the other one was on the side opposite where he ran. The closest he came to actually outrunning anyone was the guy coming from the offside who is too far out of position from the start and takes too flat of an angle. The other one on the sweep, yes, he does beat the defenders to the spot but that is not in an really long yardage situation and he is almost caught at the goalline and given more space would have probably been caught.

Now look at the one where he is in the open field, gets caught, stiffarms the guy off of him, the guy stumbles and then catches him again at least enough to put hands on him. Look at how many times in that video he gets caught and people either miss on a dive or grab at him and just don't quite get ahold. All of those times the defender is actually moving faster and catching him in the open field.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

if you don't know how great of a RB westbrook is then you dont watch football. stats dont tell the story, the games tell the story. 14 total tds, 17th in carries being that the eagles don't run, was injured and is expected to come back in 07 form, one year removed from an MVP caliber year, the best threat out of the backfield this side of LT circa 2005. all the while being the sole focus of the opposing defense- do you know what the mantra is whenever the giants play the eagles? 22 eyes on 36, he demands the attention of the opposing team, and the only way to emulate that is his rating. and by your reckoning shouldnt everyone be lower being that: Turner has only done it one year, Williams one year, Clinton Portis doesn't break long runs enough, tom brady should go down (his stats were terrible last year! /sarc), lt had a bad year, steven jackson had an injury filled year, frank gore has injury issues, marion barber had a bad year, MJD has never had a 1,000 yard season. there are holes in everyone's rating according to your logic, but obviously the effect these players have on the game is taken into account. top two runningbacks you have to gameplan for? i invite you to look at the ratings

First off, I thought we were discussing his ability to both run and catch, I will give you that he is a great receiving back, that is not up to question. The question is wether he has top notch speed and how good he is running the ball.

Westbrook may not run the ball as much as some backs but he has been carrying the ball over 17 times a game for the last 3 years. Last year he was 17th in the league in carries, the year before that 10th, the year before that 21st. Not exactly a lot of carries but not like he isn't getting his carries especially the last 2 years.

Turner has only done it one year, however, that was last year which should have a stronger influence on ratings than what the player did 2 or 3 years ago, he is younger than brian and less likely to be on the decline, oh, and also in that one season he ran for over 300 more yards and 8 more tds than westbrook has ever ran for in a season.

As for clinton, breaking big carries was only one of the stats I mentioned and I really only mentioned it because someone mentioned what a big play threat brian was running the ball. This last year though he had over twice as many 20 yard carries as westbrook.

I have said tom should go down, due to his injury though, not his stats.

Jackson was banged up last year, actually missed 2 more games than brian, but he had more rushing yards and more total yards than brian. Also, he is not a 30 year old back like brian is. I think he should be dropped some due to these last 2 years too though but he has a much better chance of bouncing back. Also, out of 4 years as a starter jackson has rushed for 1000 yards 4 times. 5.5 years as a starter, westbrook has ran for 1000 yards 2 times.

Frank Gore, he has played for a weak team the last couple year and been banged up and played in an offense that didn't run the ball last year. Actually he only had 7 more carries than westbrook last year and still rushed for 1000 yards as he has every year since he became a starter. He also had .3 yards more per carry than brian last year.

Barber and MJD I have said they are rated too high as they haven't really proven they can be elite starting backs.

Yes, brian should be a good open field player due to elusiveness, catching, acceleration, agility, and decent speed but he is not great running the ball.

[RamblinWreck21]

Quote: Originally Posted by jnofx

I really thought he might hit 99 this year. I have no reason to believe that he shouldn't. And ignore the avatar, I'm not being bias. He's just that damn good.

He is a beast. I remember his 2nd career game at Tech against Clemson. I made the trip up to see the game and I couldn't believe a freshmen was that good. lol

[iBlievN5]

Quote: Originally Posted by kcarr

First off, I thought we were discussing his ability to both run and catch, I will give you that he is a great receiving back, that is not up to question. The question is wether he has top notch speed and how good he is running the ball. Westbrook may not run the ball as much as some backs but he has been carrying the ball over 17 times a game for the last 3 years. Last year he was 17th in the league in carries, the year before that 10th, the year before that 21st. Not exactly a lot of carries but not like he isn't getting his carries especially the last 2 years. Turner has only done it one year, however, that was last year which should have a stronger influence on ratings than what the player did 2 or 3 years ago, he is younger than brian and less likely to be on the decline, oh, and also in that one season he ran for over 300 more yards and 8 more tds than westbrook has ever ran for in a season. As for clinton, breaking big carries was only one of the stats I mentioned and I really only mentioned it because someone mentioned what a big play threat brian was running the ball. This last year though he had over twice as many 20 yard carries as westbrook. I have said tom should go down, due to his injury though, not his stats. Jackson was banged up last year, actually missed 2 more games than brian, but he had more rushing yards and more total yards than brian. Also, he is not a 30 year old back like brian is. I think he should be dropped some due to these last 2 years too though but he has a much better chance of bouncing back. Also, out of 4 years as a starter jackson has rushed for 1000 yards 4 times. 5.5 years as a starter, westbrook has ran for 1000 yards 2 times. Frank Gore, he has played for a weak team the last couple year and been banged up and played in an offense that didn't run the ball last year. Actually he only had 7 more carries than westbrook last year and still rushed for 1000 yards as he has every year since he became a starter. He also had .3 yards more per carry than brian last year. Barber and MJD I have said they are rated too high as they haven't really proven they can be elite starting backs. Yes, brian should be a good open field player due to elusiveness, catching, acceleration, agility, and decent speed but he is not great running the ball.

i implore you to watch one of some of his games. if you did you'd see that brian was not the problem and is not the problem in running the ball, his OL was subpar and combined with his injuries made him only a slightly above average back. watch his games, then you'll see that if given a sliver, its 7 yards easy. he has an elite ability to make big plays, if its translated into madden as speed then so be it.

[MCNABB51BOI]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

i implore you to watch one of some of his games. if you did you'd see that brian was not the problem and is not the problem in running the ball, his OL was subpar and combined with his injuries made him only a slightly above average back. watch his games, then you'll see that if given a sliver, its 7 yards easy. he has an elite ability to make big plays, if its translated into madden as speed then so be it.

no need to argue with these cats just watch NFL postgame and see wat every D-CORD says after the game . "WESTBROOK is a problem ." he can do everything run inside outside catch block outrun you he is the real deal. go check youtube the eye in the sky dont lie

[Candyman5]

Quote: Originally Posted by MCNABB51BOI

no need to argue with these cats just watch NFL postgame and see wat every D-CORD says after the game . "WESTBROOK is a problem ." he can do everything run inside outside catch block outrun you he is the real deal. go check youtube the eye in the sky dont lie

Yes because he is another threat through the air they dont need. When my team plays Westbrook, I am not scared of him running the ball, I am scared of him in the open field. Screens and etc. Look at the Vikings game last year for example: Didn't do nothing on the ground. Made a impact on a pass. Like other people have mentioned, there was only one year where he was a threat running the ball. Yes I watch football also. I live arround the Philly area and got to watch them all the time, Unfortionately. Regardless, Westbrooks Overall is way to high.

[kcarr]

Quote: Originally Posted by MCNABB51BOI

no need to argue with these cats just watch NFL postgame and see wat every D-CORD says after the game . "WESTBROOK is a problem ." he can do everything run inside outside catch block outrun you he is the real deal. go check youtube the eye in the sky dont lie

Yes, I agree brian is a great weapon and a guy who you really have to watch out for. If there is a hole he gets through it very quickly (acceleration) and he slips out of a lot of tackles (elusiveness). However, he is not a great inside runner, never has been, and seeing as he isn't going to get any better at this age he never will be. He is average at best carrying the ball between the tackles.

As far as the youtube comment, you can find highlight reels on youtube making about anyone look great. If you are going to base ratings off of a highlight real then nearly every skill player could be considered elite. Basically it comes down to wether or not he will maintain his play and bounce back from a below average season where he was banged up or whether age is going to catch up to him like it has for nearly every back in that situation in the modern nfl.

[iBlievN5]

okay, w/e man, westbrook is an all around amazing back, you are using outdated comments on his abilities. ever since 2004 he has been good inside. in that game against the vikings, the OL was skating the whole time. the majority of his runs are inside as we (usually) have an effective RG.

[I Peench]

Quote: Originally Posted by iBlievN5

youre both crazy. have you ever seen westbrook play? if so, then you'd know that he's the quintessential big play back. he is always good for a big play, out runs whole defenses and is probably the most dangerous player in any backfield due to the fact that he can destroy you in 2 ways. westy is a big play waiting to happen and thats why his speed/rating is so high.

I was raised in Philly, 5-10 minutes from where Westbrook went to college. As a Giants fan, he's the only Eagle I can STAND. As a matter of fact, I actually like Westbrook. To say he is 97 speed is just bias on your part and ridiculous. Like I said, he's extremely elusive and should have 99 acc. He gets to top speed as quickly as anyone in the NFL.

Bottom line: you DONT run a 4.6 40 and have 97 Madden speed. PERIOD. He is effective in the open field because the Eagles run arguably the BEST screen in the NFL. I've witnessed it for years on TV and in person several times. Ian said he had a very long rushing TD with Earnest Graham in 10, and he has 80 speed. The touchdown was a product of excellent downfield blocking, which is exactly how the Eagles get those long touchdowns (think Buckhalters dump off against the Cowboys). Now that this is represented in Madden, you can cut Westbrook speedand still get an accurate representation of his talents.

I've yet to see anyone without an Eagles avatar disagree with me. Like I said, give him 99 acc high agility and 88-92 speed. He is not an elite speed guy. That label belongs to VERY few people: Chris Johnson, Fabian Washington, maybe 5 or 6 more...these guys should have 96+ speed. Anybody who thinks WBrooks straight line speed is on par with these guys is out of there mind.

I'd love to see Donny hope on here and share his thoughts on Westbrook, as well as give me an explanation as to why Barber is rated higher than Jacobs