Madden 10 Pat White = Madden 04 Mike Vick?

[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

This would've been an interesting post had you talked about animation & AI improvements that will allow you to give the Pat White's of the league their true skills without them taking over the league/game.

We know that they're not going to be able to talk about that core stuff for at least a few more months, so I don't begrudge Donny for giving us what he can.

This does tell us that Pat White should/will be the QB for the "experimental group", when it come down time to analyze how improved the gameplay mechanics and A.I. are for Madden 10.

I can see all the minions of the Cheddar Nation getting in the lab and working on the Pat White Exploitation Protocols as soon as the game loads up in their console.

[thudias]

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

Completion percentage is a HORRIBLE measure of accuracy. The idea that anyone uses it for that purpose boggles my mind. You want a stat that indicates a QBs accuracy? Look at his receiver's run-after-catch. An accurate QB hits his guys in stride. Receivers who catch balls in stride gain yardage after the catch. Completion percentage actually says more about a QBs field vision and functional intelligence than his accuracy, and those are things White's not really questioned on. Most scouts are questioning his accuracy, and I see mixed reports on his arm. I've never personally seen the guy play, but I do know that you tend to get that with guys who either have great throwing range and poor velocity or vica virca. So my assumption is the guy can probably throw it a country mile but can't put a 15 yard out on a rope, or the other way around. Jeff Garcia's a good example... doesn't go deep great, but he'll throw those sidelines like lasers. Draft countdown has him listed at a 4.5, but those are usually estimates before the combine. That's good speed for a QB (Steve Young ran a 4.5), but just decent at WR. I don't think, considering his size and running style, he's a great RB prospect either way.

A little harsh towards the top there Adem...I mean you can not totally discount completion percentage. I agree with you to a point on the rest of your statement but completion percentage should at least be part of the accuracy equation.

[Glorious Arc]

I kinda feel the same that completion rating isnt as big of a deal. look at vick. he might have had a couple of % higher if he didnt have his WRs drop balls that were hitting them on the hands all day long. I honestly feel this is how he felt when he had to pass to anyone besides crumpler

besides a 75 qb rating for career isnt so bad when you figure he ran for 3800 yards and was a run first team(falcons had the number one rushing offense for a couple of years with vick and warrick dun). favre has a career qb rating of like 85.4

[AlexBrady]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

If anything, Vick was underrated. 7.3 yards per carry 52 rushing yards per game More TD than INT every season One decent receiver to throw to his entire career (Alge Crumpler) Mike Vick is the perfect ball control, time of possession QB to have for a team that has a strong defense and loves to play that kind of football. There isn't another QB in the NFL who can convert a 3rd and 2 in more ways than Mike Vick and opposing defenses are forced to focus more energy on him than any other player in the league. The problem with Atlanta is that they expected him to become an elite pocket passer but bail them out with his legs when their terrible receiving core failed to perform. If you surround Vick with one deep threat WR and a versatile HB, then there is no defense that can stop all of those options at the same time for an entire game.

The ability to drop back, plant your back foot and deliver the ball to the correct receiver at the correct time, with accuracy is what makes a good quarterback. Vick's 1039 rushing yards in 2006 was one of the most irrelevant stats in recent memory. Why? Because rushing yardage has very little bearing on his performance. No one is an elite quarterback in the NFL because he is a playmaker with his legs.

You're right, Roddy White is a terrible receiver. Give me a break.

[hmoob]

Quote: Originally Posted by AlexBrady

The ability to drop back, plant your back foot and deliver the ball to the correct receiver at the correct time, with accuracy is what makes a good quarterback. Vick's 1039 rushing yards in 2006 was one of the most irrelevant stats in recent memory. Why? Because rushing yardage has very little bearing on his performance. No one is an elite quarterback in the NFL because he is a playmaker with his legs. You're right, Roddy White is a terrible receiver. Give me a break.

You have to look at the situation he was in. Vick adapted to the offense he had. He had horrible recievers (minus Crumpler).

Ultimately, the completion percentage and percieved "accuracy" of the QB depends on the the person catching the ball. Give Vick Boldin and Fitzgerald and you have a different story.

[oChaos_Nine]

Quote: Originally Posted by AlexBrady

The ability to drop back, plant your back foot and deliver the ball to the correct receiver at the correct time, with accuracy is what makes a good quarterback. Vick's 1039 rushing yards in 2006 was one of the most irrelevant stats in recent memory. Why? Because rushing yardage has very little bearing on his performance. No one is an elite quarterback in the NFL because he is a playmaker with his legs. You're right, Roddy White is a terrible receiver. Give me a break.

Point is Vick won games, maybe with his feet more so than his arm but so what? The worst thing that happened to Vick (besides dog fighting) was coaches trying to turn him into a pocket passer. He got them to the playoffs the first year so why change it. He was deadly and you can't deny that.

BTW Roddy White had a breakout year and was great this year, but make no mistake, when Vick was there he couldn't catch a ball to save his life.

Quote: Originally Posted by mgkibbles

Spread numbers are always inflated. As long as you have a functioning arm you can complete 60% of your passes in that system so that doesn't make Pat White accurate.

Yeah, Sam Bradford isn't that accurate either.

[Got The Goods]

Quote: Originally Posted by Donny_Moore

Ha, nice try Details!! I am in no way confirming that the Wildcat is in Madden 10. We have released no playbook information about Madden 10 so far. Just trying to give you some insight into what the scouts are saying about Pat White and how that plays a significant role in how we project his pro skills into Madden. But stay posted folks, our playbook gurus Anthony "A-Dubb" White and the legendary Former University of Florida Quarterback / playbook founding father, Larry Richart will be blogging on all the new playbook hotness in the near future.

Can't wait to see this info. Playbooks are quite lame right now.

[bigsmallwood]

Quote: Originally Posted by oChaos_Nine

Point is Vick won games, maybe with his feet more so than his arm but so what? The worst thing that happened to Vick (besides dog fighting) was coaches trying to turn him into a pocket passer. He got them to the playoffs the first year so why change it. He was deadly and you can't deny that. BTW Roddy White had a breakout year and was great this year, but make no mistake, when Vick was there he couldn't catch a ball to save his life. Yeah, Sam Bradford isn't that accurate either.

Great Job with Pat White! He is an underrated QB when it comes to accuracy...unfortunately when it comes to "certain" types of QB's...the NFL wants to turn them into a WR/RB....Vick is a really GOOD QB...not GREAT...but GOOD. He is better than alot of QB's in the league such as your JT O Sullivans, Alex SMiths,Tyler Thigpen, Vince Young, Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, etc. There are only about 5 or 6 good QB's in the NFL...the rest are terrible for the most part. All he needs is weapons at WR and he will show his "lack of reading defensive coverage"....Is he going to be in Madden 10?

[The Sim God]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Sim God

is this our confirmation post that speed is ONCE AGAIN king in madden? i hate being 28. i cant be conned into buying something like americas youth can be

Quote: Originally Posted by Donny_Moore

Speed was one of five strengths that stand out with Mr. White, that I mentioned in the above post. Read into it what you want to, I just thought it would be cool to share some inside info with you guys.

sorry for jumping to accusations.
i just HATE when a 68 overall rated db with 95 speed can shut down a 90 rated wr with 90 speed

thats all i was saying.

hook my boy brandon jacobs up with good trucking/break tackle. it was sad to see him in madden 09 not be able to break tackles unless you use the "truck stick"

you know.....he doesnt always do a "move" to break tackles

[Guillotine 1]

Good thread-

I can't say I disagree with what you guys are saying. Maybe I put more stock in Pats ability to pass the ball as a pro prospect than other people do & thats really about it. But, yeah...He's definately not Vick...and he is a much better runner than he is a thrower.

Hey Donny,

Please excuse me, I can be a very avid football fan...and the keeper of the flame for black QB's ...lmao My apologies to you sir.