New and More Sliders!!

[bassiladelph]

I've enjoyed reading this thread.

Personally, my purchases have burned me to the point where I refuse to buy anything new unless I've rented it first, and even then my opinions will be slightly swayed by either reviewers (who aren't perfect) and community types who've played the games.

I'm not going to bash the game, because I know nothing about it, aside from the demo. From what I'm reading, though, removing CPU sliders seems like a bad decision, but coupled with the lack of controller configuration, it (somewhat) removes the ability to customize the game for your liking. It could be that the CPU sliders aren't even needed - I have no idea. The only issues I have with the game aren't gameplay related - calling it the 20th when the 15th was 4 years ago, and Brett Favre on the cover not taking Madden to be his lawfully wedded husband

I don't really care for Phil's response ("get over it and move on", basically). But I've seen what Ian's responding to, and he should get props for it (though I must take him to task a little bit for sitting on it before Bill pointed it out).

[Phil_Frazier_EA]

Quote: Originally Posted by bassiladelph

I don't really care for Phil's response ("get over it and move on", basically). But I've seen what Ian's responding to, and he should get props for it (though I must take him to task a little bit for sitting on it before Bill pointed it out).

I never said 'get over it and move on'. I asked to 'move forward'. We knew right away that this pissed everybody off and after venting for 200+ responses I was trying to help get the conversation to the next level. More about workarounds and solutions.

Sorry you read it another way but you description really isn't what I meant.

Phil

[Beardown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bootzilla

Okay, if what I'm hearing is correct it does seem that we can (IF THEY WORK) affect the game with sliders the way we need to. Cpu can't run the ball. Adjust break block, run D reaction time, and tackling. Should do the trick. Cpu passing too accurate. Like Bill said when he used his IQ which was low in pass defense, the cpu QB percentage was fine, just too many picks. Can you adjust the int slider from there? If so, maybe problem solved. If not between pass rush and DB reaction time it seems as though we could make those work. I also switch and swat on defense so hopefully that will help as well. The craziest thing is I've gone to default Heismann on NCAA and that's been working out pretty good for me (I've learned to ignore a few things but, all in all I'm okay with it).

I will remain hopeful and buy on this belief, but boy EA keeps the hits coming. Right when you think things can't get any worse it seems they do. Hopefully the first patch can take care of QB accuracy and then sliders and house rules will take care of the rest, excuse me now while I clean my rose colored glasses.

[DirtyJerz32]

I don't really care about sliders. I know some people do but, to me they just seem to mess up the flow of the game. I know this is like the diehard community when it comes to Madden and sports games but, I guess I never really bother to find out what sliders do. I've always have taken the "it's a game" approach when it comes to these kind of things. But, hey who I am.

There has to be a reason why they took out cpu sliders. I dont think they would take them out and say screw you. But, who knows. To me it seems that when they realize they screwed up they fixed it. Case in point HOF and Free Agents last year.

Well I'll stop this because I know I will probably get bashed but, I will be in line at 12 am on Aug 11 and we'll go from there. Good luck to all you diehards. I hope it works for you guys.

[TJdaSportsGuy]

Quote: Originally Posted by NYjetsdynasty

To me it seems that when they realize they screwed up they fixed it. Case in point HOF and Free Agents last year.

Oh LORD!! That!! Haha!! That was actually 2 years ago but man, did people freak about that! LOL!! Yet another case of things being blown out of proportion. All you had to do was start your franchise before you unlocked any of the HOF'ers and you were fine...but people were ready to storm the beaches of Maitland over that one too.

You won't be alone in that line at 11pm on the 11th, either bro. I'll be doing the same thing at my local shop (unless they get it early, buwahahah!!).

[bassiladelph]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fillycheze

I never said 'get over it and move on'. I asked to 'move forward'. We knew right away that this pissed everybody off and after venting for 200+ responses I was trying to help get the conversation to the next level. More about workarounds and solutions. Sorry you read it another way but you description really isn't what I meant. Phil

I'll buy that - after 500+ posts, stuff gets lost in translation. So I apologize for misreading you.

I do want to give the benefit of the doubt for the game, though. Just too easy to attack certain aspects (though the lack of a customizable controller has me more concerned than sliders, IMO).

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fillycheze

I never said 'get over it and move on'. I asked to 'move forward'. We knew right away that this pissed everybody off and after venting for 200+ responses I was trying to help get the conversation to the next level. More about workarounds and solutions. Sorry you read it another way but you description really isn't what I meant. Phil

I'm sorry but can people get more than a day to be upset about your team removing a key feature thats been in the game for years? Workarounds are impossible for most people here because only 2 OSers currently have the game. Solutions are easier.....put the sliders back in the game.

Also, I think you and Ian should be called to task for sitting on this information. The fact that this was known by your team and wasnt even addressed until Abner found out is extremely dissapointing. Now that OS and other Madden gamers are furious about this feature being removed you guys seem moved to investigate why it was removed. You guys knew about this for at least two weeks and didnt think to ask your coworkers why the sliders were removed? Really?

I appreciate the fact that the Madden team is a presence on this board but you guys have to learn how to take the good w/ the bad. A few days of bitching about removing a key feature is not overkill

[brendanrfoley]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fillycheze

I never said 'get over it and move on'. I asked to 'move forward'. We knew right away that this pissed everybody off and after venting for 200+ responses I was trying to help get the conversation to the next level. More about workarounds and solutions. Sorry you read it another way but you description really isn't what I meant. Phil

Phil, I agree we need to move forward and find solutions. Is there a chance CPU sliders could be added via a patch at some point down the road?

[TJdaSportsGuy]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

A few days of bitching about removing a key feature is not overkill

And just so everyone knows, I'm not going to give you an infraction for complaining. That's fine. Just do it in a mature and constructive way and you're fine. Name calling and personally attacking the people who made the game or the people who don't mind the lack of CPU sliders will not be tolerated.

Like I said earlier in this thread, just be mature, folks.

[DrUrsus]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

For the life of me I can not understand why things are removed. There could be a few reasons why the CPU sliders were removed: -Altering CPU sliders "breaks" the new auto-adapt AI feature. -The auto-adapt AI feature simply raises and lowers sliders. The GUI was removed to hide this from the user as the community can then realize this feature is a gimmick. -The CPU sliders didn't work, similar to NCAA, and they did not have time to fix them. Either way... we lose. I understand there are always a few looking for the silver lining but this is just bad design. A big reason why fans are turning away year after year. And I find it funny that a lot of the people downplaying this are those who enjoyed Madden in 07 and 08. If you enjoyed those titles, GREAT! The problem most seem to have is they want to enjoy 09 AND having all possible options at their disposal to do so is key. The constant removal of features year in and year out is just inexcusable.

Maybe its just incompetence