New and More Sliders!!

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by vsoul86

And u decided not to tell us because? even if they named u designer this morning bro, it takes 10 seconds to see sliders, the 1st thing i do is raise awareness to 100 percent with every ncaa and madden installment ive gotten. Wheres the gameplay guy then? i think he has some questions coming to him.

I agree with this sentiment completely. It would have gone a long way to just break it to us before we found out for ourselves. Not easy short term, but probably beeter for keeping the trust.

[bad_philanthropy]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheFuture15

From the research I've done lately, you are right on.

It's disappointing to hear that, but it doesn't accomplish anythingif this board starts up a vilification crusade. I don't even think this issue relates to what you oversaw with the game anyway.

I will say that in terms of things like Madden IQ, and sliders, and the way that the game is tweaked from year to year in house, and all that, it seems like those methods of balancing gameplay detract from the overall quality of the gameplay. Like NCAA and the way it goes about creating wide open gameplay, sure it was achieved through tweaking the mechanics of the game, but the quality of the gameplay bore less of a resemblance to football because of it.

Sure it may output stats that look correct when you play a game but the overall flow of the game and how the result is achieved seems to be more a product of multiple, heavily nuanced components working against one another and I think from a user standpoint there is a very apparent sense of "artificial" in the way the games play out in these football titles. It's hard to describe but for example, playing NHL 08 just feels like hockey it's amazing how the sense of the sport is conveyed in an almost palpable way, whereas Madden or NCAA don't achieve that with me (FWIW I've played both sports for many years in an organized environment).

I think the key word for next gen as far as gameplay goes is "organic" so far the football games just haven't achieved that at all. I think if there could be a football game where the inherent design of the gameplay allowed a more organic and dynamic game of football to play out then the need for sliders at all would be minimized. Then again, football is an incredibly complicated sport, and maybe it's not possible to achieve the things I mentioned with this generation of hardware and of course the constraints of the, politics, budgets, and time issues, of the development cycle.

[vsoul86]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

I'd like to make a request as well. Please don't assume you have any more right to voice your opinion than I. I never stated he should be let off the hook for his answer or that he doesn't deserve to be held acountable. I simply thanked him for stepping up and answering without excuse when he could have easily waited for things to die down or not responded at all. If you don't agree, that's fine. If you think he's full of crap, that's fine too. You have your viewpoints and I have mine. Just stick to your own and move on. Thanks, big guy

no problem. tht wasnt really a stab at u specifically, though i c how u would think that

[pjv31]

WOW. Seriously though, whoever decided to take out cpu sliders in the game should be fired. That may sound harsh, but as a community you really stuck it to us here EA. Im not going to come out here an blame Ian or Phil, but someone decided on this. This is a very poor business decision. And its pretty much a big FU to the hardcore community.

Im sorry those are my feelings on this. Mod or not.

Edit: for the record I am still buying the game. I hope that with the day 1 patch, and human slider tweaks it will play well. However I do feel that we are owed an explanation to this decision.

[edubbs]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bill_Abner

Thanks for confirming this. At least I can stop looking now. I'll play a third Browns/Steelers game after a watch an episode of Weeds. I'm going to go back to a custom (human) slider set instead of the IQ stuff.

Hey Bill, can you keep an eye out for deep pass attempts by the AI? I'm interested in knowing if this is still an issue.

thanks

[Adam Dayton]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheFuture15

There are workarounds to many of these situations - so if you think the QB is too powerful you could change the user pass rushing stuff to be more powerful and add more pressure on him. I assume there are situations this probably can't handle though...

I don't know dude, Abner is having probs getting to the cpu qb and that with the robo qb problem indicates the game plays very similar to its ncaa cousin. If that is correct, adjusting human pass rush won't do much of anything (didn't do anything on ncaa). Are you confirming this works or are guessing? What happened to your statement that this problem (qb accuracy) is a non issue compared to ncaa? Are you retracting that now? At this point this is unacceptable and I don't think you can disagree with that.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by vsoul86

no problem. tht wasnt really a stab at u specifically, though i c how u would think that

It's okay. I know a lot of people here are angry, and I understand that. While I'm not really bothered, I am just as confused about the reasoning as anyone.

[Bill_Abner]

Quote: Originally Posted by edubbs

Hey Bill, can you keep an eye out for deep pass attempts by the AI? I'm interested in knowing if this is still an issue. thanks

I have seen more in 5 games of Madden than I have 50 of NCAA.

[jewelz1132]

thats crazy because QBs are monsters..there would be drives where the qb wouldnt miss a pass(chad pennington)..its easier to get user picks but I've always been good with that..my only question is if you get a perfect IQ(all madden for everything) will it just be like playing on all madden?

[adembroski]

Wow... I'm just... I don't know. It's a video game, to say I'm "crushed" would be ridiculous, but I'm really disappointed. This was the first year I really had hope for Madden, and now I'm in this sort of limbo wondering if I should go ahead and buy it or not.

Maybe if I at least had a decent reason why they were removed. It just makes no sense.