Gang Tackling Challenge Response (from Ian Cummings)

[TeeDogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Briankingsfan

It's funny. I think he really does have a "man crush" on Ian. He's on MM posting love letters, the EA board and here. Of course I only know because I'm following Ian around, too. Hanging on every word as if he were Moses! LOL....J/K AJ!

Im torn between him and FlyingFinn, i was about to ask Finn to marry me but now......i just dont know

[Ian_Cummings_EA]

Quote: Originally Posted by stiffarmleft

So you think that motion capture is better than NaturalMotion in the context of a football game? Wouldn't NaturalMotion make life a bit easier for the animators. Thanks for all your responses, much appreciated.

Yes, I currently feel that way. Though it'd make life easier for animators, it would also mean that we would basically would lose all visual "control" over our game. This also means that life turns into a nightmare for engineers.

The big bonus for something like NaturalMotion is a lot of variety without canned animations. But what good is variety if the variety doesn't look real? That's why I'm really curious to see what Backbreaker can do...to see if they can solve the "dead body" issues. I can't wait to see what they come up with personally.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by TeeDogg

Im torn between him and FlyingFinn, i was about to ask Finn to marry me but now......i just dont know

ok, some things are better left unsaid. And if you don't know, this would be one of those things.

[jdr4693]

Quote:

Why so long for the improvements? Your comparing a 2004 game on the original Xbox to a 2008 game on the next gen system. Slacking is an understatement. Are you feeling heat from what Backbreaker could POSSIBLE do?

Last years game had all kinds of flaws, so I dont think this years competition or last years (All Pro Football) really has an effect on them.

[adembroski]

Quote: Originally Posted by TeeDogg

I loved that idea as well, but i point was made later in the thread about the frustration of spotting a reciever wide open right in front of you but not being able to throw to him because he has no icon. I do like the idea but its implementation may need some tweaking, but im glad you are looking into alternatives to the QB vision cone , the idea in that thread is a great start IMO

Part of the deal is that blitz patterns HAVE to be available to start. Here was my version of basically the same thing that I posted on MM:

Quote: Originally Posted by myself

Another important thing... it needs to be made relevant to the quarterback position when being played by the HUM. I realize that's what the QB Vision is for, which is why I used it on CurrentGen, but on NextGen it's pointless because it can't be made mandatory. If it ain't mandatory, it's a restriction you're likely to skip. Maybe this... at the snap, the only players who's icon are showing are designated blitz routes and dump off routes. As the play progresses, the icons appear in the designated order... primary receiver first, secondary second, etc.. The lower the QBs awareness, the slower the progression. You'd always have those dump offs if necessary, but having a low awareness would hurt you. It'd be advisable to make AWR your primary concern when hunting for a QB. Optional thing of course, this would be way too restrictive for most players. Not sure if I'd use it, just throwing it out there off the top of my head to get creative juices flowing.

[Jon22]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

this is really unnecessary. Everyone wanted Madden to be more like the 2k series. So that is what they are trying to do and then some. Read through the thread and you'll see what I mean.

This is beyond necessary, third year on the next gen, and this stuff is finally coming to light. I didn't ask this first year on the next gen. I didn't ask about last years game. It was time to ask!!

[Ian_Cummings_EA]

Quote: Originally Posted by DONF

Good deal. I looked at the other vids from Madden 08 gang tackling and it showed the BEST of Madden 08 gang tackling. But, when the game hit the street you rarely witnessed gang tackling and the animation for the pancake style tackles were terrible. Ian will this happen again? So far the previous Vids of 09 do not show off the tackling you displayed in the vids. (pretty much the same as 08 in some respects). Am I to assume the programming logic has the gang tackling frequency very low like 08?? The short Vids of two to three gang tackles was also done for 08. So WOW me by showing actual game footage (a full quarter) that displays your gang tackle enhancement and also the new animation. 2k5 had gang tackling thru out the gameplay and a very next gen animation. So put your dukes up and lets see if this is the BEST of 09 gang tackling like the BEST of 08 gang tackling vid. But when the game ships and we have it in hand we are all confused and let down!! Thanks

Yeah that's what I'm hoping to do tomorrow - not show highlights of the best clips, but just show a bunch of plays in a row with no editing. That to me is the true test of whether I've achieved what I promised.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jon22

This is beyond necessary, third year on the next gen, and this stuff is finally coming to light. I didn't ask this first year on the next gen. I didn't ask about last years game. It was time to ask!!

we'll see where you stand come this August.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheFuture15

Yeah that's what I'm hoping to do tomorrow - not show highlights of the best clips, but just show a bunch of plays in a row with no editing. That to me is the true test of whether I've achieved what I promised.

looking forward to it.

[TeeDogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jon22

Why so long for the improvements? Your comparing a 2004 game on the original Xbox to a 2008 game on the next gen system. Slacking is an understatement. Are you feeling heat from what Backbreaker could POSSIBLE do?

im thinking EA was being run like a monster coorperation ( they are), the programers were bound by top brass with money and dates being the bottom line. seems like now things may be changing and their programers are beeing given the freedom to try and give us what we have been asking for. just let it go and appreciate the efforts being made now
JMO tho-