Cedwebb's "NFL PRIMETIME" Sliders

[cedwebb]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrUrsus

Cedwebb, I tried these out tonight. I played one game, 49ers at Cardinals, and it was great. I am looking forward to playing more with these. What did I like about them? Running with Hightower was tough, but if I mixed in enough passes, I could get better runs. Passing: I HAD to read blitzes and pass to the open man since there were no cheesy blocking animations such as as a last minute suction of a blitzer. Made passing rewarding, but very doable. I liked that I was pressured a lot in the pocket, but if I mixed in enough runs, I was able to get more time and even passed one long bomb in the game. This is very hard to do in most other slider sets, and usually if you set it up to be able to throw a bomb, it becomes too easy on other sets. You can't do it all the time with your set because you really have to run the ball and do short passes in order to set up bombs. I was even able to do a goal line fade once in this particular game which is too hard to do normally. On defense, it was nice not to see some scrub like Sean Hill go all robo qb on me. My DL put pressure on him, and he actually had errant passes and a low completion %, but not high INTs. I was surprised to see some of his passes really miss the WRs, but not be thrown for INTs. The CPU was still able to move the ball with Gore, but it wasn't ridiculous with him throwing 3 guys off of him and then running another 40 yards for a TD like on some slider sets, lol. Anyway, so far so good. I really liked the one game I played. I will let you know how subsequent games go. I am especially looking forward to seeing if there is a big differences in teams. That is one of the problems with this game. The Colts should feel a lot different than the 49ers, and they don't enough in Madden 10. I am looking forward to week 3 with the Cardinals to see how the Colts play on offense and defense against the Cardinals. Using your sliders the 49ers were pretty good on defense, ran the ball well, but did not pass well which is what I expected. I am also going to do a Franchise with the Vikings using your sliders and see if I can get the right running stats with A Peterson (or close to it). One game with Hightower, he only averaged 2.8 ypc, but he isn't that good in real life, and I had some backfield tackles on me. One concerning area is playaction. The CPU is in the backfield a lot on PA. Having a better running game may help though. Looking forward to playing tomorrow!

That is great that you are liking these as much as I am. Every game has been a different challenge for me. One game I am able to work the slot reciever and feel it may be too easy only to have the next game turn into a completely different game. Different defense, different weekness.

I also know exactly what you are saying with the play calling. This set has been so rewarding if you mix it up and hit the big play. It is far from automatice but it does happen. I was just playing a game and I had one play before half, so I just ran it up the middle. Well, it was disigned to go off the right guard and there happen to be a pretty big cutback right up the middle, I hit that hole with the speed and just as the saftey was coming up he got chipped by one of my guys allowing me to squeeze by. I thought I was gone, but 50 yds later I was chased down by one a defender. I was like holy sh!t who that guy is fast. Well I looked at the rosters and the guy who caught me was a 91 speed, and Tayler is only an 85, the whole play was awsome and it all happened as quick as it would on Sunday.

I have seen deep balls by the cpu in the corners and dbs getting burned by 2 to 3 steps when not calling the right defense. I am really liking these.

Keep me informed on your progress, I am just as curious to hear what you are seeing.

[bakedpotato4103]

Overall, I like these a lot. There are just a few issues.

The first being injuries. I played 1/2 a game and had 6 people injured on both teams. Its football, people get hurt. But when your WR gets hurt blocking, it might be a little too much. I am going to try it again at 75.

The other issue is pass blocking needs to be slightly raised on both sides. I was sacked several times before I finished my drop back by one of the D linemen because they manhandled the O line. Same went for the CPU QB. Also, play action passes are way too hard to accomplish. I am going to try 4/3 for human/cpu pass block. Maybe that slight increase will give a little bit of an improvement, while still forcing the QB to make quick, smart throws.

[cedwebb]

Quote: Originally Posted by bakedpotato4103

Overall, I like these a lot. There are just a few issues. The first being injuries. I played 1/2 a game and had 6 people injured on both teams. Its football, people get hurt. But when your WR gets hurt blocking, it might be a little too much. I am going to try it again at 75. The other issue is pass blocking needs to be slightly raised on both sides. I was sacked several times before I finished my drop back by one of the D linemen because they manhandled the O line. Same went for the CPU QB. Also, play action passes are way too hard to accomplish. I am going to try 4/3 for human/cpu pass block. Maybe that slight increase will give a little bit of an improvement, while still forcing the QB to make quick, smart throws.

I have played all night and have seen far too many injuries as well. I am now backing it down to 70. This is something that you can just adjust to your liking and 100 is way too much after 4 striaght franchise games.

In regards to the pass protection, I do take a couple sacks a game thats for sure. I would be curious to see what you get when raising those a bit. Post back after a couple games, if it doesn't make a huge difference in the interaction between the lines it may be worth changing. Right now to pull off a good play action you have to set your blocking up pre snap correctly or you won't get it off. At times against certain defenses it is very difficult, but that is how some defenses are. Let me know! Thanks for trying these and for the feedback.

[Knapper]

Ok I got one game in so far with these sliders. The only things different were that I played on Slow with TH at 50. The other thing I did by mistake and did not notice until the 4th quarter was I had user int at 5 instead of 15. Also although I would doubt it would have made much difference I did not set up all the sub in and out and penalty sliders.

So used my Seahawks chise year 3 Week 12 against the Ravens.

Final Score
Seahawks 35 Ravens 21
It was closer 28-21 but I got a TD in garbage time at the end after they failed to recover an onside kick.

Passing
Saturday My year two drafted guy 84 ovr B potential
26/27/272 yards 96% 2TD 0 Int
At one point I completed 20 in a row because I got the stat overlay for it!

Flacco 21/28/288 yards 75% 1 TD 1 INT

My passing could be partially that the Ravens blitzed a little too much and I hit my RB 10 times but still 20+ completions in a row? Which included a tipped ball in the endzone that my backup TE came up with but he was not the intended receiver.

Rushing
Seahawks
McCoy 19 att 84 Yards 4.4 avg 2 td 2 BTK 16 long
McDuffie 6 att 69 yards 11.5 avg 1 td 1 BTK 1 Fumble 54 long

Both of my running backs broke out of a pro-tak gang tackle during the game. McCoy got caught when he did but McDuffie took it 54 yards to the house.

Ravens
Rice 18 att 67 yards 3.7 avg 2td 4 BTK 9 long
decent ground game for the CPU with an average back.

On Defense I had two users sacks from my LE and Flacco got hit and tossed some ducks through out the game. I was not sacked at all during the game and while the Ravens were aggressive with bringing pressure I was able to hit the short passes over the middle due to their blitzing.

I think my user passing may have been a fluke or a direct result of the Ravens playing too aggressive with the Blitz. This was on a the first times I ran into the blitzing making the game easier since I upped the play calling to hardcore.

All in all it was a good and fun game but the passing for both teams was a little too good. I would think that upping the Pass D reaction time just a bit for both user and cpu could fix it maybe just a click or two for each because I think the reaction time is a very touchy slider and will create psychic defends if it's up too high. But I will try another game or two before I make any adjustments to see if it was just a fluke.

[bill2451]

knapper man, if you change the game speed and threshold on a slider set you might as well not post about it because it changes the game so much... no offense, just my experience. Give it a try on Cedwebb's speed/threshold

also, completing 10 passes to your RB... big no no... I could throw to my RB all day and complete 50 in a row if I wanted to. You will never get realistic games if you throw to your RB that much

My personal rule is that I'm only allowed to dump it off to my RB if I notice a blitz of at least 6 guys coming. Any less than that, even if I immediately feel pressure, I'm not allowed to dump it off

[bill2451]

I'm gonna try these, I'm used to playing on slow speed though, so I'm well aware I'm prolly gonna be worse than I normally would... I'm guessing it will take a few games just to get used to the faster gameplay

[cedwebb]

Quote: Originally Posted by bill2451

knapper man, if you change the game speed and threshold on a slider set you might as well not post about it because it changes the game so much... no offense, just my experience. Give it a try on Cedwebb's speed/threshold also, completing 10 passes to your RB... big no no... I could throw to my RB all day and complete 50 in a row if I wanted to. You will never get realistic games if you throw to your RB that much My personal rule is that I'm only allowed to dump it off to my RB if I notice a blitz of at least 6 guys coming. Any less than that, even if I immediately feel pressure, I'm not allowed to dump it off

This is exactly what I was thinking while reading Knapper post. Knapper, I really think that the high passing results game directly from the fact that you were playing on a different speed setting and TH. That is a huge component to a slider set and how it plays. I did test on normal but felt that fast is the way to go with these. Hope you get a chance to check it out as I set it up.

[catfish9-5]

Quote: Originally Posted by cedwebb

Has anyone else tried these out? Just curious what others think of them, any feedback if you have would be appreciated. Thanks!

I've only played a few games but I like what I see. Playing as bears and big ben and the steelers lit me up in game 2, but I honestly felt like it wasn't the sliders, it was the horrible defense I was playing. Great job with these and the feedback and replys you've been giving are a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work.

[cedwebb]

Quote: Originally Posted by catfish9-5

I've only played a few games but I like what I see. Playing as bears and big ben and the steelers lit me up in game 2, but I honestly felt like it wasn't the sliders, it was the horrible defense I was playing. Great job with these and the feedback and replys you've been giving are a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work.

Thanks alot man! I am glad some poeple are enjoying these as much as I am. I feel like they play a real decent game of football where you don't feel cheated when you get beat. The speed feels great and the hits that I am seeing over the middle are the kind that make you jump out of your seat and yell...."DAMMNN"

Feel free to post any results you are getting!

I am have made an adjustment because I was getting lit up in the passing game. I will post the adjustment on the first page.

[cedwebb]

Thought I would post some results from my week 1 game, Vikes vs Browns.

BTW, they won 31-27 LOL, I can't believe I lost to the Browns!

Favre 21-41 222yds 0tds, 5ints 51%
Anderson- 15/24 182yds 1td 1int 62%

Peterson 24/143yds 5.9avg 3tds
Lewis 21/111 5.2 avg 1 td
Harrison- 4/87yds 1 td
*****they ran all over me*****

Stuckey had the biggest day yardage wise with 71yds on 4 catches 1td

Abram Elam had 10 solo tackles for the browns

Jared Allen had 2 sacks and two browns player also recorded a sack each.

This was a great game! I jumped out to a 17-7 lead and then the picks started happening for Favre. The Browns put up 21 3rd qtr points and none in the 4th. They held me to only 10 second half points and held at the end on the last drive sealing the win with the 5th pick. Awsome game, just goes to show that any team should be able to win if you are not careful with the ball.