Should 2K Sports Do Something to Tackle Cheatgate?

[jersez]

They should just chalk it up and get rid of it for next year, imo they turned their game into a lottery. Not all but most people are buying the game in hopes of wining the million dollars, bring it back to just gameplay and presentation. That's what most sports gamers want. I blame them for even doing the offering. People will always find exploits in anything. That money could go towards development cost or hey a donation to a charity idk, but I just don't like the idea of offering money to play a video game, instead of playing the game because its fun.

[Bobhead]

Where exactly is the cheating part? Putting in weaker players isn't cheating, can't you just go to the lineup screen and do it? The contest didn't require you to face only the original roster, correct?

I think these days people say "cheating" when what they really mean is "strategic and creative."

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

Where exactly is the cheating part? Putting in weaker players isn't cheating, can't you just go to the lineup screen and do it? The contest didn't require you to face only the original roster, correct? I think these days people say "cheating" when what they really mean is "strategic and creative."

Based on this:
"Ex: If you played the Rangers but took out Hamilton,Beltre,Andrus and Young it'd still show a 90 rated difficulty and would still get credit for throwing a perfect game with 90 rated difficultly instead of the 70 something it should've been."

I'd say they exploited a bug in the software. That's pretty much cheating.

[Henry2]

I think these days people say "cheating" when what they really mean is "strategic and creative.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by KBLover

Based on this: "Ex: If you played the Rangers but took out Hamilton,Beltre,Andrus and Young it'd still show a 90 rated difficulty and would still get credit for throwing a perfect game with 90 rated difficultly instead of the 70 something it should've been." I'd say they exploited a bug in the software. That's pretty much cheating.

Did the contest require you to face a team with a 90 rated difficulty? You still haven't established any actual cheating.

There's no such thing as "pretty much cheating." Decades ago someone came up with a way to exploit the standard defensive alignment in baseball to get on base. They called it a bunt. Was that cheating too? What about hitters that choke up on the bat to increase their coverage and reaction time? Cheating? When pitchers throw breaking balls? Alley oops? Zone Defense? Power Plays? Flopping in the NBA? Using a differently weighted and sized iron in golf?

Just because you gain an advantage from something you do doesn't instantly make it cheating.

[funnyfiggy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

Did the contest require you to face a team with a 90 rated difficulty? You still haven't established any actual cheating. There's no such thing as "pretty much cheating." Decades ago someone came up with a way to exploit the standard defensive alignment in baseball to get on base. They called it a bunt. Was that cheating too? What about hitters that choke up on the bat to increase their coverage and reaction time? Cheating? When pitchers throw breaking balls? Alley oops? Zone Defense? Power Plays? Flopping in the NBA? Using a differently weighted and sized iron in golf? Just because you gain an advantage from something you do doesn't instantly make it cheating.

You don't think it is cheating to get credit for doing something by taking the best players out of a lineup in comparison to doing it the way it was intended. That would be like saying it isn't cheating to get credit for getting a 100 on a test even if you only knew half the answers, but you had an answer key for the other half.

It is too late to change anything now, and I would have cheated too, but I'm not going to be an idiot and say I wouldn't be cheating.

[fakeimmigrant]

Considering how little attention this got outside of the dedicated Sports Gaming sites and Kotaku, I doubt 2K Sports was concerned. Had this gotten any sort of traction on the bigger, mainstream sites, I am certain there would have been a greater response.

It's disappointing that what could have been such a great marketing opportunity was overshadowed by this.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by funnyfiggy

You don't think it is cheating to get credit for doing something by taking the best players out of a lineup in comparison to doing it the way it was intended. That would be like saying it isn't cheating to get credit for getting a 100 on a test even if you only knew half the answers, but you had an answer key for the other half. It is too late to change anything now, and I would have cheated too, but I'm not going to be an idiot and say I wouldn't be cheating.

That's a terrible analogy. It's more like a test where you are only required to answer 5 questions, but not everyone reads the directions, and most people answer all 20 questions on the test. The guy who only answers 5 is cheating? More like he was smart enough to not work harder than he had to. It'd be different if the contest required you to pitch to the original lineup on a team, but clearly it didn't.

Another good analogy is some video game that requires you to beat a challenge to unlock something, ie: defeating some boss or completing a stage. Is setting the difficulty to 'easy' before you begin the particular challenge cheating? What's wrong with using what's readily available to you, to make things easier for yourself?

I honestly don't see anything wrong with it.

[goh]

Actually yes it does forbid changing line-ups. Something I never agreed with because you'd want to change to a better defensive guy later in the game. (Not that I participated as it's only open the US,just in theory.) You're not even allowed to pause the game actually. There was some way to change the line-ups before the game and still get credit for having faced a difficult line-up.

The difficulty is important because that determines the score of the perfect game. They decided to score games this year instead of just the first person to do it. So at least one person got credit for facing a highly rated team but they cheated/used an exploit to remove the best players and replace them with guys on the bench thus it no longer being a highly rated team/difficult match up but it still counted as such resulting in him moving up higher on the leaderboard than he should've been.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by goh

Actually yes it does forbid changing line-ups.

Ah that's the piece of information I was missing. So neither side was allowed to have a changed lineup at all? That's crazy. But if that was a stated rule I take back what I said then, it's obviously cheating.