Sound off: Did the NCAA Go Far Enough with Penn State?

[Pokes]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

We will talk about that, the civil trials, the BoE investigation, the Spainer/Curley trials, etc. when they are complete and all information is out there. There is obviously a bigger picture here that is far from over. Yesterday morning the sanction bombshell dropped, so obviously that's what everyone is talking about. That doesn't mean everyone has forgotten about the victims or the ongoing implications in this whole situation. This is far from over.

I get that, I'm simply noting that if you look across all the threads on this scandal a majority of the posts are about PSU football than the actual crimes that took place.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by maxwell8

I'm against the sanctions because I don't think they should take the Freeh report on its word. I feel they should have investigated themselves, asked victims, wait for trials to play out. But I know for a fact that when millions of dollars are up for grabs people will do things that put the money ahead of living beings. Look at big oil, highways, global warming. The list could go on forever.

You realize the Freeh report was far far more in depth and was handled by far far more experienced and professional investigators than anything the NCAA could have offered up. Actually there's now some feeling among the powers that be the Freeh should run all major NCAA investigations, which won't happen because it's much more expensive.

The only trials left are the perjury trial, which are usually run after the fact anyway, nor will they have any impact on the findings.

[simgamer0005]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pokes

To continue on that last point, I haven't seen anyone even talk about whats going to be uncovered once whatever happened on The Second Mile side of things come out.

I talked about it. Most everyone else seems to be ignoring the charity and buying this view that PSU's leadership or culture was a problem. I think it's because child abuse makes people crazy and mad. The public outcry became so great with all this media coverage, after seeing "Penn State scandal" for 8 months, after seeing the media accuse Paterno of being an enabler, that it forced the NCAA to go completely out of its realm and layeth the smacketh down via the Freeh report.

In the case of former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, he won his appeal against a lifetime ban from FIFA, due to the fact that a FIFA probe led by former FBI director Louis Freeh's agency failed to find conclusive evidence. it was a situation of 'case not proven'.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by maxwell8

I'm against the sanctions because I don't think they should take the Freeh report on its word. I feel they should have investigated themselves, asked victims, wait for trials to play out. But I know for a fact that when millions of dollars are up for grabs people will do things that put the money ahead of living beings. Look at big oil, highways, global warming. The list could go on forever.

You just contradicted about everything you said previously in disagreement.

You're original argument was that the NCAA had no grounds to do anything because it punished innocent people. Now you are saying it would be okay if they had done their own investigation or done more due diligence?

This is why having this discussion with Penn State fans is hard.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by simgamer0005

I talked about it. Most everyone else seems to be ignoring the charity and buying this view that PSU's leadership or culture was a problem.

PSU's leadership and culture being a problem isn't even in question.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

You just contradicted about everything you said previously in disagreement. You're original argument was that the NCAA had no grounds to do anything because it punished innocent people. Now you are saying it would be okay if they had done their own investigation or done more due diligence? This is why having this discussion with Penn State fans is hard.

Which is funny since PSU paid for the Freeh report.

[maxwell8]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

You realize the Freeh report was far far more in depth and was handled by far far more experienced and professional investigators than anything the NCAA could have offered up. Actually there's now some feeling among the powers that be the Freeh should run all major NCAA investigations, which won't happen because it's much more expensive. The only trials left are the perjury trial, which are usually run after the fact anyway, nor will they have any impact on the findings.

Freeh a piece of garbage. I didn't know who he was until he started investigating penn state but he ran the FBI and orchestrated the largest cover up in FBI history that kept innocent men in prison. I'm not gonna get into an argument about the credibility of Freeh again. I just don't like to jump to conclusions about anything. I'll sit back and watch everything unfold and then make a decision about the men involved in this.

[ImTellinTim]

Quote: Originally Posted by maxwell8

I'm against the sanctions because I don't think they should take the Freeh report on its word. I feel they should have investigated themselves, asked victims, wait for trials to play out. But I know for a fact that when millions of dollars are up for grabs people will do things that put the money ahead of living beings. Look at big oil, highways, global warming. The list could go on forever.

The NCAA openly admitted that the Freeh investigation was far more thorough than anything the could do. And PSU signed off on that fact. Whether one thinks that was a PR/pressured move or PSU leadership finally doing the right thing is up for personal interpretation.

As for asking the victims, why bother them any further? They already told their story under oath in depositions, live jury, and in front of the man who violated them. That took enough courage. Was the NCAA supposed to put them and their families in a room and force them to come to a consensus agreement on what kind of sanctions they think should have been levied against PSU going forward? If you ask me, that's asking a lot. It shouldn't be their responsibility to do that. They already told their story.

[maxwell8]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

You just contradicted about everything you said previously in disagreement. You're original argument was that the NCAA had no grounds to do anything because it punished innocent people. Now you are saying it would be okay if they had done their own investigation or done more due diligence? This is why having this discussion with Penn State fans is hard.

I already argued with you about that and you know what I think. I was trying to avoid an argument because I already got in a lot of those. Haha

[maxwell8]

Quote: Originally Posted by ImTellinTim

The NCAA openly admitted that the Freeh investigation was far more thorough than anything the could do. And PSU signed off on that fact. Whether one thinks that was a PR/pressured move or PSU leadership finally doing the right thing is up for personal interpretation. As for asking the victims, why bother them any further? They already told their story under oath in depositions, live jury, and in front of the man who violated them. That took enough courage. Was the NCAA supposed to put them and their families in a room and force them to come to a consensus agreement on what kind of sanctions they think should have been levied against PSU going forward? If you ask me, that's asking a lot. It shouldn't be their responsibility to do that. They already told their story.

One victim came out and wanted the NCAA to ask him about it. I posted an article.