2009 Recruiting Thread

[P2K]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

Especially because the person I got this from had been told that by Eugene Marve.

That doesn't prove anything. You know how many posters on these Scout/Rivals boards spread rumors and swear they got the news from talking to specific people like mothers, fathers, cousins. sisters, brothers, family pets and so on? That happens all the time.

And when you presented the rumor, there was nothing to back it up. At all. But I guess we're supposed to believe it regardless because it's from that rumor rag Warchant.

And JohnDough comes in to back you up. Didn't see that coming.

[MassNole]

Quote: Originally Posted by P2K

That doesn't prove anything. You know how many posters on these Scout/Rivals boards spread rumors and swear they got the news from talking to specific people like mothers, fathers, cousins. sisters, brothers, family pets and so on? That happens all the time. And when you presented the rumor, there was nothing to back it up. At all. But I guess we're supposed to believe it regardless because it's from that rumor rag Warchant. And JohnDough comes in to back you up. Didn't see that coming.

And you realize some of these people actually know what they are talking about, which they have shown time and time again by repeatedly posting information that turns out to be correct. I find it hilarious you can't accept that, just because the Cane boards likely went into denial over it.

So I suppose you'd hate to know that after Fisher was hired by FSU, Marve was begging for an offer.

[P2K]

Quote: Originally Posted by MassNole

And you realize some of these people actually know what they are talking about, which they have shown time and time again by repeatedly posting information that turns out to be correct. I find it hilarious you can't accept that, just because the Cane boards likely went into denial over it. So I suppose you'd hate to know that after Fisher was hired by FSU, Marve was begging for an offer.

First of all, not many rumors on Wahhhchant turn out to be true.

Just because you want to believe everything on Warchant is truth doesn't mean it is. Same with other forum boards with the same type of posters that have the same story of how they swear they talked to this person and that person about something that deals with a rival team.

Secondly, I'm getting put on blast because you don't understand why I refuse to believe you and your FSU buddies? The Cane boards denied what? The Cane boards denied nothing because the Cane boards weren't even hearing of this. Sorry to tell you, I know it's a shocker but I would believe more of what is being said on the Cane boards about Miami than what is being said on the FSU boards about Miami. Especially news that wasn't backed up except with the lame line of this poster supposedly talked to a family member. Why doesn't that register to you? I know that is totally cuckoo, but it's how I see it.

Third, Marve was begging for an FSU offer because of Jimbo? Fine. Back that rumor up. That's not something to brag about these days, though. Marve was being ousted by a true freshman.

[P2K]

I mean, what if I came up in here and kept posting about Florida players and their recruiting more than I do about Miami and swearing what I was posting was the absolute truth. I would be run off this board by the Gator faithful fast.

What if I posted the stupid rumor a Cane fan put up on one of the Miami boards about Deonte Thompson wanted to transfer from Florida to Miami? I didn't do it, though. Why? Because the poster said he had talked to all kinds of people for his info. Turned out to be totally untrue. Just another person wanting attention. That is why I am being the way I am on this.

[ZB9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cebby

I for one am shocked about the behavior of the young men at the Texas party. College is no place for drinking, drugs, and female/female romancing. Hopefully you guys can clean up your act.

LOL and you wonder why Texas sometimes underachieves...there are too many "distractions"

but I think McFarland might have taken a wrong turn and ended up at a Dallas Cowboys' party.

[wookie48]

Quote: Originally Posted by ZB9

LOL and you wonder why Texas sometimes underachieves...there are too many "distractions" but I think McFarland might have taken a wrong turn and ended up at a Dallas Cowboys' party.

ZB9 you kill me. I cant even add onto that...Sad to see anither confused young un from texas go to the little texas sooners.

[ZB9]

Quote: Originally Posted by wookie48

Sad to see anither confused young un from texas go to the little texas sooners.

I think Texas, LSU, and USC are probably better off without "J-Mac" and his attention whore mother.

btw, what mother refers to their son as "J-Mac"?

Good luck with that OU

[ZB9]

this whole thing smells...barking carnival had some good points on this BS

http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henry...-so-much-money

Why is the New York Times losing so much money?
December 26th, 2008 by HenryJames

Oh.

Apparently it’s now enough to interview just two people for an article. Is it possible that those two are biased? Perish the thought!

So let’s take a look at the biggest bull**** claims.

-McFarland was a guest of OU at the game in Dallas this year. Yet somehow after the game McFarland ends up at a party thrown by Caligula. An ‘upscale hotel’ that had naked women ‘romancing each other’ and drugs among other temptations. Sure it did. I’ve yet to see any party like this during OU weekend. No one has. But when you’re trying to convince yourself to go to a school where players have raped women in the dorms and players have been busted for selling cocaine, you project. And when you’re a ****ty reporter from a 4th rate college, you don’t attempt to verify anything. Just print it.

-Ms. Adams had dinner at Mack Brown’s house. She said Brown asked her, “Whose house do you like better, Bob Stoops’s, Les Miles’s or mine?” That Brown. Always bragging! Ask any high school coach, recruit, player or parent if this sounds anything remotely like the Mack Brown they know. Of course not.

-Texas coach Oscar Giles, ‘who is black’, did not call McFarland until he asked who he would talk to if he ever had any problems about race. You mean the defensive ends coach whose assigned recruiting area is Houston did not call a defensive tackle in East Texas until he was asked to? How nefarious!

-Texas coach Will Muschamp had to explain to Ms. Adams that Texas had probably sent her more phone calls and letters than they had to any other parent.

“He was acting like he was doing me a favor,” Adams said. “You’re recruiting my son. I feel sorry for them if they’re saying they haven’t had that much interaction with any other recruit’s family. I feel sorry for those families. I really do.”

How generous(?) of Ms. Adams to feel sorry for those parents who are not using their children for financial leverage.

-McFarland said that at Texas, groups of players worked out with a strength coach while at OU it was one-on-one workouts. Right. I hate to be the one to break it to you, Jamarcus, but you are one of 85 scholarship players. You’re not going to get individual attention for every workout. Typically an adult would step in at this point and explain it to you. But have fun with Jerry Schmidt. He really cares about you.

-Ms. Adams claimed that Texas’ recruiting efforts were done through Lufkin coach John Outlaw. As anyone who follows recruiting more closely than a reporter for the New York Times knows, if anything Lufkin is an Aggie town. John Outlaw has sent exactly two players to Texas during Mack Brown’s tenure. Both signed in 1998. Normally when you have someone accuse another of bias, you interview the other person. Did you even make an attempt to interview Coach Outlaw, Thayer? I’ll save you some time. The reason Texas coaches had to meet with McFarland at the school was because Ms. Adams refused to let them in her house. Thay it isn’t so!

-Texas was trying to divide the family.

“It is obvious that the recruiting has put a strain on your relationship,” the message said. “JaMac wants Texas, and Mom wants OU. We want you to still come to Texas, but we are going to slow our process down because you two need some time to get on the same page. We do not want players at Texas if everyone isn’t on the same page.”

In the same message, Brown wrote that Texas would not visit again unless requested.

McFarland’s mother and grandmother were offended.

“That’s tacky to me,” Adams said. “You’re basically telling my kid to just go against his parents.”

Offended? That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it (the correct one) is that Brown told you that he doesn’t sign kids unless the parents support that decision. That’s why Texas spends so much time recruiting the parents as well as the children.

-Finally we get to what the whole recruitment was about.

“Two days later, another Internet report surfaced, this time suggesting that McFarland and his mother had been offered extra inducements by universities and had then reported the transgressions to Texas.”

Reported the transgressions to Texas? That’s one way of putting it. Here’s another way. The saintly Ms. Adams asked what Texas was going to offer. That’s when Texas backed off. Mack Brown had to politely explain to her in a letter that Texas doesn’t do things that way. After you finish reading Jamarcus’ homework, Thayer, maybe you can ask her to read that letter.

If she pleads ignorance, there’s a copy in Austin.

[wookie48]

Quote: Originally Posted by ZB9

this whole thing smells...barking carnival had some good points on this BS http://www.barkingcarnival.com/henry...-so-much-money Why is the New York Times losing so much money? December 26th, 2008 by HenryJames Oh. Apparently it’s now enough to interview just two people for an article. Is it possible that those two are biased? Perish the thought! So let’s take a look at the biggest bull**** claims. -McFarland was a guest of OU at the game in Dallas this year. Yet somehow after the game McFarland ends up at a party thrown by Caligula. An ‘upscale hotel’ that had naked women ‘romancing each other’ and drugs among other temptations. Sure it did. I’ve yet to see any party like this during OU weekend. No one has. But when you’re trying to convince yourself to go to a school where players have raped women in the dorms and players have been busted for selling cocaine, you project. And when you’re a ****ty reporter from a 4th rate college, you don’t attempt to verify anything. Just print it. -Ms. Adams had dinner at Mack Brown’s house. She said Brown asked her, “Whose house do you like better, Bob Stoops’s, Les Miles’s or mine?” That Brown. Always bragging! Ask any high school coach, recruit, player or parent if this sounds anything remotely like the Mack Brown they know. Of course not. -Texas coach Oscar Giles, ‘who is black’, did not call McFarland until he asked who he would talk to if he ever had any problems about race. You mean the defensive ends coach whose assigned recruiting area is Houston did not call a defensive tackle in East Texas until he was asked to? How nefarious! -Texas coach Will Muschamp had to explain to Ms. Adams that Texas had probably sent her more phone calls and letters than they had to any other parent. “He was acting like he was doing me a favor,” Adams said. “You’re recruiting my son. I feel sorry for them if they’re saying they haven’t had that much interaction with any other recruit’s family. I feel sorry for those families. I really do.” How generous(?) of Ms. Adams to feel sorry for those parents who are not using their children for financial leverage. -McFarland said that at Texas, groups of players worked out with a strength coach while at OU it was one-on-one workouts. Right. I hate to be the one to break it to you, Jamarcus, but you are one of 85 scholarship players. You’re not going to get individual attention for every workout. Typically an adult would step in at this point and explain it to you. But have fun with Jerry Schmidt. He really cares about you. -Ms. Adams claimed that Texas’ recruiting efforts were done through Lufkin coach John Outlaw. As anyone who follows recruiting more closely than a reporter for the New York Times knows, if anything Lufkin is an Aggie town. John Outlaw has sent exactly two players to Texas during Mack Brown’s tenure. Both signed in 1998. Normally when you have someone accuse another of bias, you interview the other person. Did you even make an attempt to interview Coach Outlaw, Thayer? I’ll save you some time. The reason Texas coaches had to meet with McFarland at the school was because Ms. Adams refused to let them in her house. Thay it isn’t so! -Texas was trying to divide the family. “It is obvious that the recruiting has put a strain on your relationship,” the message said. “JaMac wants Texas, and Mom wants OU. We want you to still come to Texas, but we are going to slow our process down because you two need some time to get on the same page. We do not want players at Texas if everyone isn’t on the same page.” In the same message, Brown wrote that Texas would not visit again unless requested. McFarland’s mother and grandmother were offended. “That’s tacky to me,” Adams said. “You’re basically telling my kid to just go against his parents.” Offended? That’s one way to look at it. Another way to look at it (the correct one) is that Brown told you that he doesn’t sign kids unless the parents support that decision. That’s why Texas spends so much time recruiting the parents as well as the children. -Finally we get to what the whole recruitment was about. “Two days later, another Internet report surfaced, this time suggesting that McFarland and his mother had been offered extra inducements by universities and had then reported the transgressions to Texas.” Reported the transgressions to Texas? That’s one way of putting it. Here’s another way. The saintly Ms. Adams asked what Texas was going to offer. That’s when Texas backed off. Mack Brown had to politely explain to her in a letter that Texas doesn’t do things that way. After you finish reading Jamarcus’ homework, Thayer, maybe you can ask her to read that letter. If she pleads ignorance, there’s a copy in Austin.

Wow, talk about a read.

[ZB9]

Quote: Originally Posted by wookie48

Wow, talk about a read.

here's another couple of quality gems from that site

New York Times Texas Hit Piece Regarding McFarland

December 25th, 2008 by Trips Right

In case you missed it, the NYT wrote a comical hit piece about the goings on in the Jamarkus McFarland recruitment. Among the more asinine things written, were descriptions of Texas offering drug parties and interest free loans to JM in an effort to pry him away from the “little engine that could” personifying Oklahoma Sooner recruiting. I mean [curse], if a school can’t offer auto-pilot grades, salaries for no work, and a free Lexus, then really, how can a school recruit?

Anywho, the [curse] that wrote the piece for the NYT just so happened to write the Darrell Scott hit piece. In the “that [curse]ing figures” category, said [curse] is an Oklahoma hack and homer. Check it out. And so the story goes from the ridiculous to the sublime. By the way, if Thayer finds time between cropping his mullet and acid washing his jorts, I’d love to compare notes with him.

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L’Affaire McFarland and The Media

December 26th, 2008 by Sailor Ripley

I don’t write at length here very often as I’m not much of a writer, which I will now go to great lengths to demonstrate.

This paucity of creative talent on my part is why we pay the big talent guys like Trips Right and Scipio Tex in beaucoups wampum. Chooky gets paid in blotter acid, CTJ in sportsmanship trophies and Doperbo in anything from the Clos Vougeot appellation. I’m sending it this week, Doperbo, I swear.

For me, like many of us, the Sooner / Horn [curse] matches that often bubble over in the comments are of little interest. They are repetitive, pedestrian and unfortunate byproducts of a very intense rivalry, offering far more heat than light. Texas fans know the OU football program is the sine qua non of the University. For me personally there isn’t much debate after that. I don’t have the time or inclination to re-program a Jim Jones disciple.

My interest in this McFarland thing centers more on the world of media, so I wanted to expand on some of Trips thoughts and throw out some quick thoughts.

This guy, Thayer Evans, is ostensibly a writer for the New York Times covering college sports.

Thayer Evans

Thayer Evans is a freelance writer who has been contributing to The New York Times for more than two years. Evans also writes for the Houston Chronicle as well as other newspapers and magazines. He played college basketball at Oklahoma Wesleyan University, an NAIA school in Bartlesville, Okla.


Bartlesville, Holla!

As I scan his blogography of late at the Grey Lady Internets division, it seems he’s pretty much writes about OU. And only OU. I never would have thought the NYT would have an OU beat writer.

Boomer Sooner?

Not that the NYT has ever pretended to be any sort of impartial voice but having this guy reporting the news seems disingenuous at best. Scanning page one reveals every article has an OU slant.

Does anyone really think that an article comparing and contrasting Texas and OU in a recruiting battle written by this guy was conceived and framed in an unbiased way?

To me this is another small example of why newspapers in general are circling the drain and the little blogs that could are seeing more readers. In a world of (arguably) high-quality content atomizing across the web, physical distribution might ain’t what it used to be. What does that mean long-term for the newspaper of record, Mr. Sulzberger? More Sooner fans writing sports? Not a great strategy.

Also, Thayer, paisano, if you want to attribute something to an Internet rumor, then link it up. Otherwise, you can’t be taken seriously. If you’d like to have a discussion with us, we’re game. I can only surmise that he’s attributing much of this to the story that appeared here, so “credit” where credit’s due.

Also, I’ll put a hundy on Trips Right to clean your clock in a game of of 1 on 1 hoops. Make it, take it. You get the rock first.

Lastly, the Carnival mega media empire is continuing its expansion and we’ll be launching a Sooners blog soon. Let me know you’re interested!

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