IU-UK Series

[dunnyduns]

Quote: Originally Posted by wildcatchild

I think the fan behavior is reason enough to move this game off campus. I live in Lexington and heard dozens of stories about borderline psychotic Hoosier fan behavior during that game, both at Assembly and in the surrounding bars on campus. Fans getting spit on, beers poured on them, water bottles being thrown at players, death threats and, of course, fans storming the court after Watford's shot and nearly trampling our players. Cal will never come out and say that's one of the reasons he wants to play at a neutral site but it seems pretty logical to me. Obviously hating on all things UK is en vouge at the moment but sometimes you have to quit believing everything you read in the newspapers or see on the Internet. Maybe Indiana should have taken measures to prevent the fans from acting like complete morons. When's the last time you saw fans rush the floor at Rupp Arena? Act like you've been there before.

I think it's ironic that your saying someone should quit believing everything you read in the newspaper and on the internet, but in the paragraph before your state "I live in Lexington and heard dozens of stories about borderline psychotic Hoosier fan behavior during that game, both at Assembly and in the surrounding bars on campus." and it's been the internet that has been the main source of that stuff.

I guess UK fans should have celebrated their national championship like they have been there before as well instead of going out in the street and acting like idiots. You should quit worrying about how IU's fanbase acts and celebrates and worry about your own fanbase that can act like morons at times.

[wildcatchild]

Quote: Originally Posted by dunnyduns

I think it's ironic that your saying someone should quit believing everything you read in the newspaper and on the internet, but in the paragraph before your state "I live in Lexington and heard dozens of stories about borderline psychotic Hoosier fan behavior during that game, both at Assembly and in the surrounding bars on campus." and it's been the internet that has been the main source of that stuff. I guess UK fans should have celebrated their national championship like they have been there before as well instead of going out in the street and acting like idiots. You should quit worrying about how IU's fanbase acts and celebrates and worry about your own fanbase that can act like morons at times.

Let me clarify myself. I've had actual face-to-face conversations with people who were at the game, including several who were sitting right behind the UK bench. I'll take thier first-person account of the actual events of December 10, 2011 over any message board, blog, article any day of the week.

I agree, our fanbase has its share of idiots who burn couches (and cars) when we win national championships. But I sit with a lot of those idiots at Rupp Arena throughout the year and have never seen anything that comes close to abuse, physical assault, etc. of opposing fans. I've been to the last five Indiana and Louisville games at Rupp so I'm not judging this on one experience. So cry all you want about UK "ducking" you guys. Your school is every bit as responsible for this series ending as we are.

[dunnyduns]

Quote: Originally Posted by wildcatchild

Let me clarify myself. I've had actual face-to-face conversations with people who were at the game, including several who were sitting right behind the UK bench. I'll take thier first-person account of the actual events of December 10, 2011 over any message board, blog, article any day of the week. I agree, our fanbase has its share of idiots who burn couches (and cars) when we win national championships. But I sit with a lot of those idiots at Rupp Arena throughout the year and have never seen anything that comes close to abuse, physical assault, etc. of opposing fans. I've been to the last five Indiana and Louisville games at Rupp so I'm not judging this on one experience. So cry all you want about UK "ducking" you guys. Your school is every bit as responsible for this series ending as we are.

But you state UK fans had beer thrown on them and before that you preface it with both at Assembly and in the surrounding bars on campus. Thing is alcohol isn't served inside Assembly Hall. I have talked to IU fans inside Assembly Hall and while they did say the crowd did use language that could be deemed inappropriate and stupid there were no visible physical abuse they seen in or around Assembly Hall that day. Which as I mentioned above I read where IU got on the PA issue warnings about that, but what more are they expected to do??? Could there have been a bad egg at a bar or outside that went over the line perhaps, but that doesn't make Bloomington the Wild Wild West for UK fans and it's silly to say that's the reason why UK won't play at IU. UK better play all home games then as that could happen at any college town if your unfortunate. All I am reading is ridiculous blogs/comments that could be made by anyone like the anonymous emailer from the linked website above and a lot of second hand accounts of these "incidents".

Also, where have I been crying about UK "ducking" IU. I have never made such a statement. IU has their ideas for continuing the series and UK has theirs and they don't match. Series over and it's unfortunate, but please don't put words in my mouth and saying that I'm crying about UK ducking IU.

[wildcatchild]

Quote: Originally Posted by dunnyduns

But you state UK fans had beer thrown on them and before that you preface it with both at Assembly and in the surrounding bars on campus. Thing is alcohol isn't served inside Assembly Hall. I have talked to IU fans inside Assembly Hall and while they did say the crowd did use language that could be deemed inappropriate and stupid there were no visible physical abuse they seen in or around Assembly Hall that day. Which as I mentioned above I read where IU got on the PA issue warnings about that, but what more are they expected to do??? Could there have been a bad egg at a bar or outside that went over the line perhaps, but that doesn't make Bloomington the Wild Wild West for UK fans and it's silly to say that's the reason why UK won't play at IU. UK better play all home games then as that could happen at any college town if your unfortunate. All I am reading is ridiculous blogs/comments that could be made by anyone like the anonymous emailer from the linked website above and a lot of second hand accounts of these "incidents". Also, where have I been crying about UK "ducking" IU. I have never made such a statement. IU has their ideas for continuing the series and UK has theirs and they don't match. Series over and it's unfortunate, but please don't put words in my mouth and saying that I'm crying about UK ducking IU.

I'm not saying you're the one who is crying about UK ducking IU but it has been the majority opinion of your fanbase. It's simply not true. Besides, it's not like UK is the first school to adopt a "non-traditional" schedule where it plays games at neutral stadiums. There is a little school located in Durham, N.C. that has practiced this for much of the last 20 years. Seriously, go back and look at their schedule and count how many non-conference games they play in the home arenas of top-tiered opponents. It's pretty ridiculous.

[dunnyduns]

Quote: Originally Posted by wildcatchild

I'm not saying you're the one who is crying about UK ducking IU but it has been the majority opinion of your fanbase. It's simply not true. Besides, it's not like UK is the first school to adopt a "non-traditional" schedule where it plays games at neutral stadiums. There is a little school located in Durham, N.C. that has practiced this for much of the last 20 years. Seriously, go back and look at their schedule and count how many non-conference games they play in the home arenas of top-tiered opponents. It's pretty ridiculous.

It's well known Duke plays a lot of neutral site games and Duke gets hammered by almost every other fanbase, even UK's at one time, when it comes to them not playing true road games outside of the ACC/Big 10 challenge.

Using Duke and the neutral court argument, it seems from Calipari and UK the big reason to play neutral court games instead of true road games is to prepare them for the NCAA tournament and to help them win NCAA Championships. So, Duke since 1993 and playing a good amount of neutral court games has seen them win 2 titles. Not a real great track record. I find it hard to believe that Duke would credit those 2 championship to the fact they like to play neutral court games. They had good teams and that's ultimately why they won those 2 championships.

UK this year only played one neutral site game outside of the annual tourneys most schools play in and didn't play in any football stadiums in non-conference and ended the season winning a championship. I would say coming to IU and getting beat helped UK more than if it was played on a neutral court. I think a team should face some adversity though-out the season helps prepare a team them more for the NCAA tournament and the biggest adversity a team could face in my mind is going on the road and playing a good team win or lose.

[jake44np]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hurricain

The fact that IU won't play in Lucas Oil Stadium is pretty sad. It is in Indiana much closer to their campus then UK's. In the end I'm glad, looks like Cal is putting a pretty good schedule without IU.

Have you even read anything lately on this??
IU agreed to play at Lucas Oil the next two years!!!
Followed by home and home games after that, UK is the one who wont do that not IU.

Another good article on the end of this series from a "nuetral" newspaper.
Its pretty plain to see that Cal just doesnt want to play IU anymore.

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...nclick_check=1

Love the quote below.

UK coach John Calipari will hug and kiss the Cardinal Bird before he agrees to play another game in Bloomington. That’s his prerogative. It’s puzzling because Calipari has always claimed to schedule without the slightest suggestion of fear. But it’s his prerogative.

And this one.

But IU has no incentive to be a prop in the latest Calipari production. And the Hoosiers won’t be. Crean and Glass are willing to compromise. They aren’t willing to serve as doormats

[PhantomPain]

Quote: Originally Posted by jake44np

Have you even read anything lately on this?? IU agreed to play at Lucas Oil the next two years!!! Followed by home and home games after that, UK is the one who wont do that not IU. Another good article on the end of this series from a "nuetral" newspaper. Its pretty plain to see that Cal just doesnt want to play IU anymore. http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...nclick_check=1 Love the quote below. UK coach John Calipari will hug and kiss the Cardinal Bird before he agrees to play another game in Bloomington. That’s his prerogative. It’s puzzling because Calipari has always claimed to schedule without the slightest suggestion of fear. But it’s his prerogative. And this one. But IU has no incentive to be a prop in the latest Calipari production. And the Hoosiers won’t be. Crean and Glass are willing to compromise. They aren’t willing to serve as doormats

Ooooh, you lied!

I am not discussing this any longer, but since I have seen you do this twice I thought I would point it out. In this post and a past one, you referenced the courier journal as an unbiased source. They aren't. They are in Louisville. Unfortunately the actual home town newspaper, Herald Leader, is nearly just as biased....against UK. I know this doesn't make any sense but trust me when I say that Lexington paper is no joke in the horrible department. Specifically the journalist, Jerry Tipton.

With all of that said, I am not disputing anything as far as this actual conversation goes. Just wanted to point out that anything out of Louisville will be heavily biased against UK.

[jake44np]

Quote: Originally Posted by PhantomPain

Ooooh, you lied! I am not discussing this any longer, but since I have seen you do this twice I thought I would point it out. In this post and a past one, you referenced the courier journal as an unbiased source. They aren't. They are in Louisville. Unfortunately the actual home town newspaper, Herald Leader, is nearly just as biased....against UK. I know this doesn't make any sense but trust me when I say that Lexington paper is no joke in the horrible department. Specifically the journalist, Jerry Tipton. With all of that said, I am not disputing anything as far as this actual conversation goes. Just wanted to point out that anything out of Louisville will be heavily biased against UK.

Point taken, just as anything out of West Lafeyette would be anti IU!! LOL

[Koolie G]

Quote: Originally Posted by jake44np

Point taken, just as anything out of West Lafeyette would be anti IU!! LOL

Also, that writer, Rick Bozich, of the Courier Journal is far from "neutral". He is a Louisville guy and he doesn't like Cal.

I wish they would play. I have personally talked to about a dozen people that went to the IU game and about 10 of them had some unpleasant experience that went beyond the normal rival unpleasant experience. All of these people have been to several road games against other rivals, such as TN, Louisville, etc. Most stated the behavior of the IU fans was the worst they had encountered. I think this is telling and if IU fans were saying this about their trip to Rupp, my first reaction would be to dismiss their complaints as untrue and made up because they were mad they lost. I understand that, but when there are actual documented stories then I would change my tune to say, we had some isolated idiot fans that got out of control and I'm sorry and I will do whatever I can to make sure that doesn't happen again. This has been the whole problem with the majority of the IU fans. They have just totally dismissed that UK fans could have had bad experiences that were over and above normal inconviences and unplesantries of going into a hostile opponents arena.

I've been to road games at Georgia and TN and Louisville where I was cussed and things like that, but never to the point where I feared for my saftey. At Louisville, UK's biggest rival, I've never really ever had any problem and UL fans were very accomodating and nice, even when UK won. I understand every fanbase has idiots that represent a small minority of their fanbase, but the reports I've heard from Bloomington were more widespread on that day. I'm not saying that is why UK is not coming back to Bloomington, I'm just saying it doesn't help.

[jake44np]

Quote: Originally Posted by Koolie G

Also, that writer, Rick Bozich, of the Courier Journal is far from "neutral". He is a Louisville guy and he doesn't like Cal. I wish they would play. I have personally talked to about a dozen people that went to the IU game and about 10 of them had some unpleasant experience that went beyond the normal rival unpleasant experience. All of these people have been to several road games against other rivals, such as TN, Louisville, etc. Most stated the behavior of the IU fans was the worst they had encountered. I think this is telling and if IU fans were saying this about their trip to Rupp, my first reaction would be to dismiss their complaints as untrue and made up because they were mad they lost. I understand that, but when there are actual documented stories then I would change my tune to say, we had some isolated idiot fans that got out of control and I'm sorry and I will do whatever I can to make sure that doesn't happen again. This has been the whole problem with the majority of the IU fans. They have just totally dismissed that UK fans could have had bad experiences that were over and above normal inconviences and unplesantries of going into a hostile opponents arena. I've been to road games at Georgia and TN and Louisville where I was cussed and things like that, but never to the point where I feared for my saftey. At Louisville, UK's biggest rival, I've never really ever had any problem and UL fans were very accomodating and nice, even when UK won. I understand every fanbase has idiots that represent a small minority of their fanbase, but the reports I've heard from Bloomington were more widespread on that day. I'm not saying that is why UK is not coming back to Bloomington, I'm just saying it doesn't help.

1. Not many writers do like Cal.
2. IMO Cal is really using the crowd as an excuse not to return.