Manny Pacquiao vs Money Mayweather

[edaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by game20ver

Manny won't beat Floyd. Mayweather has every advantage style & tactic wise. Floyd's not avoiding a Pacquiao fight. It makes absolutely no sense for Floyd to wait for Manny to get older. Floyd is older than Manny, speed & reflexes go first and that is what Floyd relys on. What are YOU going to say or excuse YOU'RE going to come up with after the Marquez fight & Pacquiao chooses to fight Bradley instead of Mayweather? The ball is in Manny's court all he has to do is agree to Drug testing. But he won't because he's on drugs. He's a politician their know for being liars to their people.

Exactly what advantage does Floyd have style and tactic wise?..and I think what you mentioned about Floyd being older and relying on his reflexes are the reason why he is hesitant to fight..Pac will probably fight bradley and mayweather will probably fight berto..

[Beatlezz]

Quote: Originally Posted by BOSsTOwN

[game20ver]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

Exactly what advantage does Floyd have style and tactic wise?..and I think what you mentioned about Floyd being older and relying on his reflexes are the reason why he is hesitant to fight..Pac will probably fight bradley and mayweather will probably fight berto..

Mayweather's not fighting Berto, Khan is a bigger money fight. Pacquiao's fighting Bradley to avoid Mayweather. Now as far as Mayweather's advantages, I'll let an expert trainer Teddy Atlas explain..." I see Mayweather beating Pacquiao handily. Mayweather has the skill sets.....speed,both hand and foot speed, size, defense, from a technical and tactical standpoint he has a tremendous advantage, he can beat you on the inside and the outside. The match up favors Mayweather in every area...especially when Pacquiao comes in to an opponent with that reckless manner....Mayweather is designed to take advantage of this type of opponent. He would have great success on the back end and the front end....the front end when Pacquiao is trying to impose himself physically...on the back end when Pacquiao moves away, Mayweather has the foot and hand speed to find him and punish him with jabs and right hands."

[edaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by game20ver

Mayweather's not fighting Berto, Khan is a bigger money fight. Pacquiao's fighting Bradley to avoid Mayweather. Now as far as Mayweather's advantages, I'll let an expert trainer Teddy Atlas explain..." I see Mayweather beating Pacquiao handily. Mayweather has the skill sets.....speed,both hand and foot speed, size, defense, from a technical and tactical standpoint he has a tremendous advantage, he can beat you on the inside and the outside. The match up favors Mayweather in every area...especially when Pacquiao comes in to an opponent with that reckless manner....Mayweather is designed to take advantage of this type of opponent. He would have great success on the back end and the front end....the front end when Pacquiao is trying to impose himself physically...on the back end when Pacquiao moves away, Mayweather has the foot and hand speed to find him and punish him with jabs and right hands."

LOL you quote one trainer who favors Mayweather..and I could probably go on the internet and find quotes of trainers who believe otherwise..I don't see Mayweather as having the speed hand or especially foot speed advantage at this point in his career. Mayweather has problems with volume punchers and has never saw anyone with Pac's speed and power combination also pac doesnt get tired and can keep his volume up all night long..mayweather has been inactive and is starting to slip defensively getting caught with punches he never would have got caught with years ago..While I like Floyd in this fight it's going to be a war and he will be forced to do things he has never done before ..On top of that pac takes a great punch..Mayweather won't take a chance with Khan too much risk that would jeapordize his payday with Pac..and really I don't think Pac is fighting bradley to avoid Mayweather he is doing the same thing as floyd fighting low risk fighters that can garner big paydays..they BOTH are playing the game..

[game20ver]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

LOL you quote one trainer who favors Mayweather..and I could probably go on the internet and find quotes of trainers who believe otherwise..I don't see Mayweather as having the speed hand or especially foot speed advantage at this point in his career. Mayweather has problems with volume punchers and has never saw anyone with Pac's speed and power combination also pac doesnt get tired and can keep his volume up all night long..mayweather has been inactive and is starting to slip defensively getting caught with punches he never would have got caught with years ago..While I like Floyd in this fight it's going to be a war and he will be forced to do things he has never done before ..On top of that pac takes a great punch..Mayweather won't take a chance with Khan too much risk that would jeapordize his payday with Pac..and really I don't think Pac is fighting bradley to avoid Mayweather he is doing the same thing as floyd fighting low risk fighters that can garner big paydays..they BOTH are playing the game..

Outside Freddie Roach, you're not finding quotes other wise, if you do please post. Zab Judah had both speed & power equal to Pacquiao. He was also a better boxer, with better defense. Pacquiao comes straight forward when he punches, he's easily hit with a jab, he don't cut off the ring, he struggled with Mosley & Clottey when they jabbed, Marquez took Pacquiao to the limit, Marquez is a counter puncher Floyd is even better at counter punching. If you're in favor of Mayweather in this match up then why are you arguing Pacquiao's case? Clearly Bob arum is playing the public as fools & keeping Pacquiao as far away from Mayweather as possible.

[Dodgersnlakers109]

moneys gone eat PAC for breakfast ahhmmm num num num.

[edaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by game20ver

Outside Freddie Roach, you're not finding quotes other wise, if you do please post. Zab Judah had both speed & power equal to Pacquiao. He was also a better boxer, with better defense. Pacquiao comes straight forward when he punches, he's easily hit with a jab, he don't cut off the ring, he struggled with Mosley & Clottey when they jabbed, Marquez took Pacquiao to the limit, Marquez is a counter puncher Floyd is even better at counter punching. If you're in favor of Mayweather in this match up then why are you arguing Pacquiao's case? Clearly Bob arum is playing the public as fools & keeping Pacquiao as far away from Mayweather as possible.

Man your kidding right?.. I am not going to quote every trainer that is predicting a pac win but you are sadly mistaken if you think Roach is the only one. Much like the public and these forums it's divided. And please tell me you didnt compare a Zab Judah to Pac. First Zab's punching volume and work rate is no where near pac's..second I doubt Judah's hand speed and power were equal to pac and on topm of that he had no chin and is a frontrunner..and if I am not mistaken didn't Zab win the first four rounds and hurt mayweather?..Mayweather is a great counter puncher when he can set up and time his shots Pac won't let him do that..Also Floyd's diminishing speed and reaction time won't allow him to sit in the pocket and just counterpunch like he feels comfortable doing against slower inactive fighter.. Struggled with Mosely and Clottey when they jabbed?.The fights i saw had both Mosely and Clottey go into a survival shell because of pac's speed, work rate and power.. What fight were u watching and if you go that route wasn't Floyd struggling when DeLahoya jabbed and smothered him?.. yea marquez took Pac to the limit and some fighters styles will do that, but marquez can also fight at a faster pace and increase his work rate.. we will see this time around as pac is a much better boxer..While I am in favor of mayweather I just don't see how you can make it seem like pac's ducking..They both are ducking each other for lucrative easy fights..Arum and Floyd are both playing the public as fools as we keep buying these $60 PPV sparring sessions.. Both know that there careers end after this fight as wars will take everything out of an old fighter..did you really say zab Judah?..LOL

[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

Man your kidding right?.. I am not going to quote every trainer that is predicting a pac win but you are sadly mistaken if you think Roach is the only one. Much like the public and these forums it's divided. And please tell me you didnt compare a Zab Judah to Pac. First Zab's punching volume and work rate is no where near pac's..second I doubt Judah's hand speed and power were equal to pac and on topm of that he had no chin and is a frontrunner..and if I am not mistaken didn't Zab win the first four rounds and hurt mayweather?..Mayweather is a great counter puncher when he can set up and time his shots Pac won't let him do that..Also Floyd's diminishing speed and reaction time won't allow him to sit in the pocket and just counterpunch like he feels comfortable doing against slower inactive fighter.. Struggled with Mosely and Clottey when they jabbed?.The fights i saw had both Mosely and Clottey go into a survival shell because of pac's speed, work rate and power.. What fight were u watching and if you go that route wasn't Floyd struggling when DeLahoya jabbed and smothered him?.. yea marquez took Pac to the limit and some fighters styles will do that, but marquez can also fight at a faster pace and increase his work rate.. we will see this time around as pac is a much better boxer..While I am in favor of mayweather I just don't see how you can make it seem like pac's ducking..They both are ducking each other for lucrative easy fights..Arum and Floyd are both playing the public as fools as we keep buying these $60 PPV sparring sessions.. Both know that there careers end after this fight as wars will take everything out of an old fighter..did you really say zab Judah?..LOL

Pretty much agree with everything you just said.
Especially the bolded part.
Nice post.

It's no secret I'm not a fan of Mayweather, and I like Pac more, but both guys need to tell their managers to get the deal done and stop with these meaningless fights.

I also agree with you and BezO in that time is not on Mayweather's side. I think he had a much better chance of beating Pac 2 years ago.
Now? I'm not so sure. It's still 50/50 in my books, but before he retired, and after he came out of retirement, I would have put it at a 70/30 split in Floyd's advantage.

The longer this goes on, the better Pac's chances are.

[game20ver]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

Man your kidding right?.. I am not going to quote every trainer that is predicting a pac win but you are sadly mistaken if you think Roach is the only one. Much like the public and these forums it's divided. And please tell me you didnt compare a Zab Judah to Pac. First Zab's punching volume and work rate is no where near pac's..second I doubt Judah's hand speed and power were equal to pac and on topm of that he had no chin and is a frontrunner..and if I am not mistaken didn't Zab win the first four rounds and hurt mayweather?..Mayweather is a great counter puncher when he can set up and time his shots Pac won't let him do that..Also Floyd's diminishing speed and reaction time won't allow him to sit in the pocket and just counterpunch like he feels comfortable doing against slower inactive fighter.. Struggled with Mosely and Clottey when they jabbed?.The fights i saw had both Mosely and Clottey go into a survival shell because of pac's speed, work rate and power.. What fight were u watching and if you go that route wasn't Floyd struggling when DeLahoya jabbed and smothered him?.. yea marquez took Pac to the limit and some fighters styles will do that, but marquez can also fight at a faster pace and increase his work rate.. we will see this time around as pac is a much better boxer..While I am in favor of mayweather I just don't see how you can make it seem like pac's ducking..They both are ducking each other for lucrative easy fights..Arum and Floyd are both playing the public as fools as we keep buying these $60 PPV sparring sessions.. Both know that there careers end after this fight as wars will take everything out of an old Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy Man your kidding right?.. I am not going to quote every trainer that is predicting a pac win but you are sadly mistaken if you think Roach is the only one. Much like the public and these forums it's divided. And please tell me you didnt compare a Zab Judah to Pac. First Zab's punching volume and work rate is no where near pac's..second I doubt Judah's hand speed and power were equal to pac and on topm of that he had no chin and is a frontrunner..and if I am not mistaken didn't Zab win the first four rounds and hurt mayweather?..Mayweather is a great counter puncher when he can set up and time his shots Pac won't let him do that..Also Floyd's diminishing speed and reaction time won't allow him to sit in the pocket and just counterpunch like he feels comfortable doing against slower inactive fighter.. Struggled with Mosely and Clottey when they jabbed?.The fights i saw had both Mosely and Clottey go into a survival shell because of pac's speed, work rate and power.. What fight were u watching and if you go that route wasn't Floyd struggling when DeLahoya jabbed and smothered him?.. yea marquez took Pac to the limit and some fighters styles will do that, but marquez can also fight at a faster pace and increase his work rate.. we will see this time around as pac is a much better boxer..While I am in favor of mayweather I just don't see how you can make it seem like pac's ducking..They both are ducking each other for lucrative easy fights..Arum and Floyd are both playing the public as fools as we keep buying these $60 PPV sparring sessions.. Both know that there careers end after this fight as wars will take everything out of an old fighter..did you really say zab Judah?..LOL ..did you really say zab Judah?..LOL

I'm not asking for every trainers opinion, I'm asking for one. Yes I did compare Pacquiao to Judah as far as speed & power are concerned. I saw a 40 year old Mosley, with no legs, hold off Pacquiao with a jab or else he would of been KO'ed like Cotto. I certainly didn't see any defensive wizardry on Mosleys part. Yes, Floyd did struggle against De La Hoya, the fight was at 154 not 140. Marquez is 39, and fighting at welterweight, Pacquiao should win a fairly easy fight.

[blackceasar]

Bottom line is the window is closing on this fight, at least to where they will fight and people excitement will be at it's most. If this fight doesnt happen within the next year or two, and THEN it happens, ill watch it, but it wont be the same to me. I think Manny IS Floyd most dangerous opponent available but I don't know if this fight is ever going to happen. Kind of makes you wish they were in the UFC. Dana would just tell them they have no choice but to fight.