Manny Pacquiao vs Money Mayweather

[Jarodd21]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

The fight will happen this fall or it won't happen at all. If Floyd isn't able to make a deal with Manny, he will probably turn to Sergio. Sergio is willing to take as low as 20%. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Yeah that is who I'm hoping he fights next if Him and Pacquiao don't come to terms..

[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

The fight will happen this fall or it won't happen at all. If Floyd isn't able to make a deal with Manny, he will probably turn to Sergio. Sergio is willing to take as low as 20%. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

The fight should have happened 3 years ago. I don't care about it anymore. Both fighters are beyond their peak so the outcome wouldn't be a true one.

I'm more interested in him fighting S-Mart, but that'll never happen.
Floyd knows he'd get killed. S-Mart is just as fast, if not faster, has a great chin, punches way harder and is a southpaw.
If Floyd's worried about his health with Pac (who hasn't been able to stop anyone of late), then he would be insane NOT to be terrified of Martinez.

The only way Floyd has a chance against Sergio is if they fought at 147 and Martinez couldn't go above 150 by fight time.
Anything north of 150, Floyd gets absolutely destroyed.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Money99

The fight should have happened 3 years ago. I don't care about it anymore. Both fighters are beyond their peak so the outcome wouldn't be a true one. I'm more interested in him fighting S-Mart, but that'll never happen. Floyd knows he'd get killed. S-Mart is just as fast, if not faster, has a great chin, punches way harder and is a southpaw. If Floyd's worried about his health with Pac (who hasn't been able to stop anyone of late), then he would be insane NOT to be terrified of Martinez. The only way Floyd has a chance against Sergio is if they fought at 147 and Martinez couldn't go above 150 by fight time. Anything north of 150, Floyd gets absolutely destroyed.

LOL. You will care if the fight happens this fall just like everyone else will.

Regarding Martinez, I have a hard time believing that a guy who had early troubles against Barker and Macklin is going to "kill" the #1 or #2 P4P fighter in the world.

I like Martinez but he's never faced anyone with the speed and footwork of Floyd. Also Martinez's biggest wins are a one in a million perfect KO win against Williams and a decision win over a drunk Pavlik.

[edaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Money99

The fight should have happened 3 years ago. I don't care about it anymore. Both fighters are beyond their peak so the outcome wouldn't be a true one. I'm more interested in him fighting S-Mart, but that'll never happen. Floyd knows he'd get killed. S-Mart is just as fast, if not faster, has a great chin, punches way harder and is a southpaw. If Floyd's worried about his health with Pac (who hasn't been able to stop anyone of late), then he would be insane NOT to be terrified of Martinez. The only way Floyd has a chance against Sergio is if they fought at 147 and Martinez couldn't go above 150 by fight time. Anything north of 150, Floyd gets absolutely destroyed.

Agreed If Floyd isn't getting in the ring with Pac he definently is not getting into the ring with Martinez which to me at this point would be the riskiest fight for him..Martinez is too big for him and possesses speed and power along with boxing skills that would present a huge problem to Floyd..There is no way martinez agrees to come in the ring at 150..he might agree to a 150 catch weight but come in the ring at 168..I am with you both are slowly getting beyong their peak and if Cotto and bradley both give Floyd and Pac wars this will only hasten the deterioration ..Would love to see a Flyd vs martinez bout but I see Floyd pulling out some crazy stipulations to make this fight a no go!!

[ThuggyD55]

Martinez couldn't even handle Macklin. How could he handle Floyd? Nobody can.

[edaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by ThuggyD55

Martinez couldn't even handle Macklin. How could he handle Floyd? Nobody can.

What do you mean couldn't handle him?..macklin was a tough fighter who could take a punch that night he wouldve given anybody problems even Floyd..What I saw was a champion who adjusted and turned it up a notch and TKO'd him..Again you can't compare the martinez you saw against Macklin vs Floyd..he is bigger, jus as fast, and technically sound enough to give Floyd all he wants..on top of that he has some power..

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by edaddy

What do you mean couldn't handle him?..macklin was a tough fighter who could take a punch that night he wouldve given anybody problems even Floyd..What I saw was a champion who adjusted and turned it up a notch and TKO'd him..Again you can't compare the martinez you saw against Macklin vs Floyd..he is bigger, jus as fast, and technically sound enough to give Floyd all he wants..on top of that he has some power..

Completely disagree. He isnt "just as fast" as Floyd. He has some power but no more than Cotto at 154 (imo). His signature KO was a perfect punch against Williams who is notorious for not protecting himself.

You think Floyd is going to let Martinez get a clean shot like that?

You think Sergio is going to be able to fight with is hands at his waste against a quick counterpuncher like Floyd?

The size advantage is going to be the only issue for Floyd but Sergio isnt a bully fighter so I doubt that will have much effect.

[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

LOL. You will care if the fight happens this fall just like everyone else will. Regarding Martinez, I have a hard time believing that a guy who had early troubles against Barker and Macklin is going to "kill" the #1 or #2 P4P fighter in the world. I like Martinez but he's never faced anyone with the speed and footwork of Floyd. Also Martinez's biggest wins are a one in a million perfect KO win against Williams and a decision win over a drunk Pavlik.

LOL, yeah, I'll definitely watch the fight, but it has lost some luster for me so I don't care as much as I once did.

Here's my argument for Martinez.
One, he's a natural 154 fighter. He moved up to 160 simply because nobody dared face him at jr.middleweight.
Macklin did well in the first 7 rounds, very true. However, I think it's more of a case where S-Mart was looking past him and is bored with the competition put in front of him.
When Macklin scored the KD in round 7 it was all Martinez. It was a complete one-sided affair.
He wants the big names and purses. I guarantee he wouldn't have looked as lack-luster if he was fighting Chavez or Canelo.
Thirdly, the dude is able to finish guys in late rounds which speaks volumes for his conditioning and ability to carry power into the late rounds.
Floyd is lighting fast and a tremendous counter-puncher. But he has nearly zero power at 147. Martinez would take more chances knowing that Floyd can't hurt him.

Martinez isn't a natural 'bully' fighter, but he's a pressure fighter similar to Pacquio and I think he has the ability to bully Floyd if that's a gameplan they feel can work against him.

Again, Floyd will never take this fight. Maybe when Martinez is 45 and has fought a few more wars and begins to slow down.
But right now, there's no way on earth he steps in the ring with him. ONLY if Martinez was as big a name as Manny and was still willing to take only 20% of the cut.
Floyd knows he's risking his life, titles, undefeated record and earning power fighting a relatively unknown such as Martinez - especially one as dangerous.

Finally, if there's one thing that Martinez is dominant over Floyd it's that he's willing to fight anyone put in front of him. Floyd hasn't been able to say that for nearly half a decade.
In that regard, he's a very smart businessman - it's also why his name and legacy will forever be tainted.

[elimack]

HAHAHA at everyone believing Sergio Martinez is the toughest fight for a sharpshooter like Floyd. Sergio's hands never make their way above his waist, and well...Floyd just happens to be the most accurate puncher in the sports history.

And as far as Martinez being to big, that would be an advantage if he clinched and/or slugged. Both of which he doesn't. Not effectively at least.

[steelcityjames]

this thread reminds me of boxing talk when i was a kid....."Cooney hits too hard, plus Holmes is getting old" ..... " Yeah, but Holmes still has the best jab in the business. Cooney never fought anyone that precise".... the difference? THEY FOUGHT EACH OTHER!!!! i'm done talking Floyd vs Pac until they actually fight!