the os ladder crying, complaining thread(with a tad bit of strategy)

[wEEman33]

Personally, I got bored of playing with the legends in this game pretty early once I realized that many of them are worthless compared to some of the alternatives.

People say there are plenty of legends to use in this game, but I doubt these same people would take their team of underpowered legends against the top guys at each position/tier in a competitive game.

I think the most fun I've with this game was the old CFL (college football) leagues run by brownster and soonersam, and that's because those guys really limited the abilities to make sure CAP builds never got out of hand.

CAPs are usually not an issue at all if you have some guys in the front office who are screening abilities.

And the thing that makes CAPs better than legends IMO is that everybody's on an even playing field since they all have the same number of abilities per player.

Plus most good CAP leagues will put a limit on the overpowered abilities like clutch, route god, etc.

[Rocky]

I would suggest that we make a CAP list based off of real teams. There should be one CAP/CAT list that everybody has to follow, yet people should use whatever team they want. I would even suggest that we follow uniform codes and playbooks.

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by wEEman33

Personally, I got bored of playing with the legends in this game pretty early once I realized that many of them are worthless compared to some of the alternatives. People say there are plenty of legends to use in this game, but I doubt these same people would take their team of underpowered legends against the top guys at each position/tier in a competitive game. I think the most fun I've with this game was the old CFL (college football) leagues run by brownster and soonersam, and that's because those guys really limited the abilities to make sure CAP builds never got out of hand. CAPs are usually not an issue at all if you have some guys in the front office who are screening abilities. And the thing that makes CAPs better than legends IMO is that everybody's on an even playing field since they all have the same number of abilities per player. Plus most good CAP leagues will put a limit on the overpowered abilities like clutch, route god, etc.

I've seen CAPs succeed in these situations also. I'm not willing to regulate any CAPs though, and I don't want legends removed from play. I may be in the minority, but I prefer playing APF with legends. I do enjoy building authentic teams from certain years with a minimal number of CAPs.

It's just opening a whole can of worms when CAPs are allowed. I'm not putting the time into regulating them nor going through the debate of what's legitimate or not.

It can get more restricting when you bring CAPs in, in some ways. I don't want to force people into making authentic builds. It's real nice to think you can just "pick up and play" in this ladder. You can just throw a team together and go play a game and not worry about what your opponent has going on because you at least know you're facing some legends and not some crazy CAP Bo Jackson or something.

[CreatineKasey]

I'm also not a believer that most the legends are underpowered like so many say. Not even close. I've ripped it up with guys like Irving Fryar, Jack Lambert, and now Jim Marshall too many times to agree with you.

People just think this because so many others pick these legends. For every 1 time I've used Randall Cunningham, I've used Ken Stabler at least 10 times. Every Gold QB can be a beast. Really, the only under-used position that should be is silver and gold OL, just because OL is so much about the unit. They have their strengths too.

This game doesn't have to be played one way like some people make it out to be.

[elgreazy1]

The thing about adding CAPs is all the issues that come up with it. As Kasey stated, there are just ungodly CAPs that can be created in this game, so by elimintating them you completly cut off any arguements based with CAPs (over-powered combo of Abilities, "x" player shouldn't have X-Ability, why can't X-CAP play XYZ positions, etc).

At this point, all of us have been in leagues, games, tourneys of every sort with APF, you've had to have been to still be with the game to this point. And I think we can all legitimately agree about what things do and don't work with leagues, games, tourney's, etc. Yes there can be successful CAPs but then comes the work: validating, fact checking, settling disputes, taking sides, etc etc. I don't know about you but I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYMORE and I strongly feel no one here would be willing to commit the time to really do it. With work, school, my lady, my family life, etc, I don't have time for that mess... I simply just want to play a game of APF; I don't want to be having to check in on a site to hear drama, damage control, new rules, new limits, etc.

We've all seen CAPs, rule settings, parameters, etc be forced upon potential great leagues only to have them turn into failed launches. Why mess with a good thing? This tourney style works: No commitment. Play who you want. Play when you want. Use any kind of team you want. Use any Legend you want. Don't be a douche. Not too much really to mess up, IMO.

[Rocky]

Quote: Originally Posted by CreatineKasey

I'm also not a believer that most the legends are underpowered like so many say. Not even close. I've ripped it up with guys like Irving Fryar, Jack Lambert, and now Jim Marshall too many times to agree with you. People just think this because so many others pick these legends. For every 1 time I've used Randall Cunningham, I've used Ken Stabler at least 10 times. Every Gold QB can be a beast. Really, the only under-used position that should be is silver and gold OL, just because OL is so much about the unit. They have their strengths too. This game doesn't have to be played one way like some people make it out to be.

Not complaining at all. I understand where both parties are coming from however. I still love coming up with new teams and new builds and discovering what a players strength is. I do also understand that the game loses value somewhat when you go up against the same legends every time.

Nonetheless, this is the most fun I had in football gaming for a LONG time.

[boxboy99]

Right on CK. I kinda like the legends only. You know what your facing and its easy pick up and play. I really doubt I would take the time to make any CAP's anyways. Even though I have had APF a long time I know I am not as expierienced as most of you guys so I enjoy hearing the debates about the game.

[CreatineKasey]

Yep... I really want to keep this "pick up and play" and free as can be. APF is an old game, and I don't want to deal with the rigors of anything with more depth than we already have here.

If anything, I just thought of this ladder as a way for old APF guys who were still active to network and play for something a little more than just a random game.

At this point I'm thinking that if people want CAPs, they can set up their own ladder and regulate it, because I just really like what this idea offers to the casual fan out there. I didn't intend it to be hardcore, I mean you get points for LOSING! It is just supposed to be real, casual fun and at this point I really intend to keep it that way.

[TWOSILK]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! has Ronnie Lott always been this bad???? I mean he was just running around missing plays, I can't remember the last time I used him, and I remember why, he takes horrible angles to the ball in the air.

[NFLHITMAN]

Quote: Originally Posted by TWOSILK

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! has Ronnie Lott always been this bad???? I mean he was just running around missing plays, I can't remember the last time I used him, and I remember why, he takes horrible angles to the ball in the air.

I love Lott and I have had great success with him as I have a 4 int game with him also.