The lead designer to 2k8 is making a browser based coaching simulation = quick hit football. That sucks in the sense that 2k's football creating talent is leaving, but it is great in the sense that his talents are still being used in a football game somewhere. It is free to check out, too. I like it so far... it is still in the beta stage.
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TheWatcher 09:33 AM 10-22-2009
Originally Posted by thor-17:
Hey guys. I filled out the form on the page and basically stated(begged) that 2k had a great idea with 2k8, but needed to make it with fictional teams and players. Told them that they should include a uniform editor like pro evo soccer.
I received an email from Ronnie at 2k stating that he felt my pain, but without the NFL license, it was hard to market and sell an unlicensed football game. He said that there was not a new football game coming anytime soon, if ever.
So....that sucked. But, at least he heard me and responded.
I've spoken to Ronnie and I feel bad for him. He's been assaulted a number of times by 2K fans for things he had no control over. I'm sure he's only saying what he's been told to say, but I'm tired of 2K pretending like marketing the game is the issue. They're not being truthful with the public here, or at least they're trying to take a "I've fallen and I can't get up" angle.
Let me put it this way... the way THEY market a game is an issue, because quite frankly they are not very good at it. But even with it being an issue, they can certainly still make a strong enough profit. For example, APF 2K8 sold more copies than their recent NHL releases. You know why they didn't make a good profit off of APF? Because they sunk so much money into signing individual legends to contracts.
APF sold what, 380,000 copies? So let's say you got rid of the legends, and let's say that at least 100,000 people bought the game because of the legends... 2K still would've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 Million dollars or so off the game (not deducting staff salaries for the project and other miscellaneous expenses.. so profit might be down to the single-digit millions after that). Sure, that's not a lot of money compared to blockbuster games, but it would've been a profit and enough to keep producing games and building the fanbase. So to me, their excuses don't cut it.
If you know that you could put out an unlicensed game that will outsell a licensed game (NHL) by as much as 3 times and you don't do it, it's because you've lost the desire. Don't blame it on the marketing climate, especially when most of the marketing issues were created by you and the channels you employed.
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grunt 01:25 PM 10-22-2009
Originally Posted by TheWatcher:
I've spoken to Ronnie and I feel bad for him. He's been assaulted a number of times by 2K fans for things he had no control over. I'm sure he's only saying what he's been told to say, but I'm tired of 2K pretending like marketing the game is the issue. They're not being truthful with the public here, or at least they're trying to take a "I've fallen and I can't get up" angle.
Let me put it this way... the way THEY market a game is an issue, because quite frankly they are not very good at it. But even with it being an issue, they can certainly still make a strong enough profit. For example, APF 2K8 sold more copies than their recent NHL releases. You know why they didn't make a good profit off of APF? Because they sunk so much money into signing individual legends to contracts.
APF sold what, 380,000 copies? So let's say you got rid of the legends, and let's say that at least 100,000 people bought the game because of the legends... 2K still would've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 Million dollars or so off the game (not deducting staff salaries for the project and other miscellaneous expenses.. so profit might be down to the single-digit millions after that). Sure, that's not a lot of money compared to blockbuster games, but it would've been a profit and enough to keep producing games and building the fanbase. So to me, their excuses don't cut it.
If you know that you could put out an unlicensed game that will outsell a licensed game (NHL) by as much as 3 times and you don't do it, it's because you've lost the desire. Don't blame it on the marketing climate, especially when most of the marketing issues were created by you and the channels you employed.
I dunno. Call me crazy but I still have a feeling the fabled Backbreaker engine & the 2K football engine will spit out a baby hopefully soon.
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KillRoy 05:22 PM 10-23-2009
Originally Posted by TheWatcher:
You know why they didn't make a good profit off of APF? Because they sunk so much money into signing individual legends to contracts.
What I don't understand is why didn't they just hire ONE quarterback and name the product after him? Why payout all that money for so many names? Why not just payout money for a guy like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and just name the game after one of these guys. Like call it... 'Peyton Manning Pro Quarterback' or something like this. And heavily modify the 2k engine and make a new type of game thats a little more passer friendly. Or whatever they choose to do... we've played the 2k game, why not create something a little different?
Personally, if it was up to me, I would scrap the 2k football game for a while and make a really cool highly detailed 2D football game that can be downloaded off of Xbox Live Arcade or Wiiware. And give it an online franchise where people can trade players, play against each other and it tracks your stats over the course of like 5-10 seasons. People are still showing some interest in the 2D games that are being sold on Xbox Live and Wiiware. I'm surprised that some game company hasn't made one yet.
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CreatineKasey 06:37 PM 10-23-2009
Originally Posted by KillRoy:
What I don't understand is why didn't they just hire ONE quarterback and name the product after him? Why payout all that money for so many names? Why not just payout money for a guy like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and just name the game after one of these guys. Like call it... 'Peyton Manning Pro Quarterback' or something like this. And heavily modify the 2k engine and make a new type of game thats a little more passer friendly. Or whatever they choose to do... we've played the 2k game, why not create something a little different?
Personally, if it was up to me, I would scrap the 2k football game for a while and make a really cool highly detailed 2D football game that can be downloaded off of Xbox Live Arcade or Wiiware. And give it an online franchise where people can trade players, play against each other and it tracks your stats over the course of like 5-10 seasons. People are still showing some interest in the 2D games that are being sold on Xbox Live and Wiiware. I'm surprised that some game company hasn't made one yet.
Quickhit football is somewhat like this. They are 2k and have these out of gameplay team builder type features similar to what you are describing. Interestingly enough the 2k8 lead developer is working on it. He may be thinking what you just wrote.
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KillRoy 09:59 PM 10-23-2009
Originally Posted by CreatineKasey:
Quickhit football is somewhat like this. They are 2k and have these out of gameplay team builder type features similar to what you are describing. Interestingly enough the 2k8 lead developer is working on it. He may be thinking what you just wrote.
Sounds good, but why not give users the ability to control players with a D-pad or analog stick?? Ohhh well.... QHF looks like a decent game though.
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TheWatcher 03:36 PM 10-24-2009
Originally Posted by KillRoy:
What I don't understand is why didn't they just hire ONE quarterback and name the product after him? Why payout all that money for so many names? Why not just payout money for a guy like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady and just name the game after one of these guys. Like call it... 'Peyton Manning Pro Quarterback' or something like this. And heavily modify the 2k engine and make a new type of game thats a little more passer friendly. Or whatever they choose to do... we've played the 2k game, why not create something a little different?
Great points. But Killroy, you're speaking common sense here. You have to remember that somewhere between losing the NFL license and developing APF, the 2K Football Team lost all traces of common sense along way.
Originally Posted by KillRoy: Personally, if it was up to me, I would scrap the 2k football game for a while and make a really cool highly detailed 2D football game that can be downloaded off of Xbox Live Arcade or Wiiware.
A little birdy told me that someone is working on something similar to that, but it's not 2K... hmmmmm...
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KillRoy 05:31 PM 10-24-2009
Originally Posted by TheWatcher:
Great points. But Killroy, you're speaking common sense here. You have to remember that somewhere between losing the NFL license and developing APF, the 2K Football Team lost all traces of common sense along way.
Perhaps the NFL license prevented them from signing a current player? I haven't played APF, are any current players in the game? But yeah, why not just sign a current player and name the game after him? Eventually we will need a succesor to Madden anyhow. Why not sign a current player or coach?? What 2k did just doesn't make any sense.
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A little birdy told me that someone is working on something similar to that, but it's not 2K... hmmmmm...
If some company is making a 2D game I hope they also make it for PC. Right now I don't own a next gen system but I would be VERY tempted to buy one to play a game like this if it was really good. I also hope they would model the game after the original Joe Montana Football game for the Sega Genesis. That game was fun as hell..... I didn't like the follow ups though, which were called Joe Montana: Sports Talk Football.
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SA1NT401 04:30 PM 10-28-2009
Madden is the pure definition of LESS than average.....Funny thing is i bought into Ians' BS hook, line and sinker....NEVER again.
3 yrs later this game is STILL 10x better in every single gameplay area...EVERY single one!!
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