Damn! Laid off

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 01:37 PM

Shit as I suspected I just got laid off from the firm I was an Information Security Risk Manager at. Well, I guess I will see first hand what the new stimuls bill will do for the unemployed.

Passacaglia · 02-27-2009, 01:41 PM

Sorry to hear, man. We've been seeing too many of these threads around here.

sterlingice · 02-27-2009, 01:44 PM

Damn, I'm sorry every time I see one of these threads and hope I'm not next

Good luck

SI

Eaglesfan27 · 02-27-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sorry to hear, man. We've been seeing too many of these threads around here.

Yeah, we are seeing too many and I fear we'll be seeing more in the future. Best of luck in rebounding quickly, Galaril.

Butter_of_69 · 02-27-2009, 01:47 PM

Sorry, man.

It's getting rough out there!

Rizon · 02-27-2009, 01:49 PM

Sorry to hear that dude.

SackAttack · 02-27-2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Shit as I suspected I just got laid off from the firm I was an Information Security Risk Manager at. Well, I guess I will see first hand what the new stimuls bill will do for the unemployed.

Seems like the last position I'd want to go terminating if I were laying folks off, but that's just me.

DaddyTorgo · 02-27-2009, 01:53 PM

Gah Galaril!!! Sorry to hear that

Raiders Army · 02-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Sorry to hear it, but there's a chance that you can come back, right? Also when you're laid off, do you lose benefits?

A-Husker-4-Life · 02-27-2009, 02:40 PM

Sorry to hear that man...

Lorena · 02-27-2009, 02:51 PM

Aww man, that sucks.. sorry

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sorry to hear it, but there's a chance that you can come back, right? Also when you're laid off, do you lose benefits?

Unfortunately I can not come back for a two year period per the separation agreement I took which was only a month but not bad since I was only with these guys for a year. I got benefits until the end of May and if needed can get the Cobra benefits for med/dental after that by paying out of pocket. The job market is really bad from the feelers I put out today and online. My field has been in the past very easy to find not only another job but always a better one than the last. I got a master degree and about 10 IT related certs including a Project Manager one but even so it does not look like an easy job market.

MizzouRah · 02-27-2009, 04:37 PM

That sucks Galaril.. I wish you the best.

The IT field is starting to hurt now as well.. everyone is holding on for dear life!

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

That sucks Galaril.. I wish you the best.

The IT field is starting to hurt now as well.. everyone is holding on for dear life!

Yup, and there is nearly nil as far as well paying jobs in the six figures available now.

Raiders Army · 02-27-2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Unfortunately I can not come back for a two year period per the separation agreement I took which was only a month but not bad since I was only with these guys for a year. I got benefits until the end of May and if needed can get the Cobra benefits for med/dental after that by paying out of pocket. The job market is really bad from the feelers I put out today and online. My field has been in the past very easy to find not only another job but always a better one than the last. I got a master degre and about 10 IT related certs including a Project manager one and am looking at probably 3 months off and maybe having to take a 5% pay cut on the next job when I find one. That at least is my initial intuition but I hope I am wrong. Time will tell.

Well, the best of luck to you. At least you have benefits until the end of May. I'd hate for something really bad to happen health-wise without benefits.

Ryche · 02-27-2009, 06:17 PM

Sorry to hear. At least the economy here in Colorado is a bit better than most places. Hope you find something quickly.

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 06:48 PM

Thanks everyone

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryche

Sorry to hear. At least the economy here in Colorado is a bit better than most places. Hope you find something quickly.

Well, coming from Massachusetts Colorado is anything but vibrant as far the job opportunites compared to back there at least in my field but I am sure it is better than most places.

Buccaneer · 02-27-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Unfortunately I can not come back for a two year period per the separation agreement I took which was only a month but not bad since I was only with these guys for a year. I got benefits until the end of May and if needed can get the Cobra benefits for med/dental after that by paying out of pocket. The job market is really bad from the feelers I put out today and online. My field has been in the past very easy to find not only another job but always a better one than the last. I got a master degre and about 10 IT related certs including a Project manager one and am looking at probably 3 months off and maybe having to take a 5% pay cut on the next job when I find one. That at least is my initial intuition but I hope I am wrong. Time will tell.

Damn, that's pretty good specs. Sorry to hear that.

MizzouRah · 02-27-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yup, and there is nearly nil as far as well paying jobs in the six figures available now.

six figures? damn my man!

Toddzilla · 02-27-2009, 07:39 PM

ARGH! Dude, I am so sorry. Keep your head up and your ears open. I've been through this 3 times - this is #4 - and nothing beats a positive attitude when it comes time to finding a new position.

I'll tip a cold one back in your honor tonight.

Galaril · 02-27-2009, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

ARGH! Dude, I am so sorry. Keep your head up and your ears open. I've been through this 3 times - this is #4 - and nothing beats a positive attitude when it comes time to finding a new position.

I'll tip a cold one back in your honor tonight.

Same here. This is the tird time for me in the last few years but I do have a few leads so things are looking up.

terpkristin · 02-27-2009, 09:22 PM

Sorry to hear that, totally blows.
I hate seeing these threads.

/tk

M GO BLUE!!! · 02-27-2009, 10:33 PM

Next thread will be short: Who here has a job?

Galaril · 03-10-2009, 10:09 AM

Small update on my job search. I had my first interview for a great VP job. It is as close as ajob can be to a dream job for me. The interview was three hours and I think it went real well. I was the last interviewed of 9 candidates that made it past the resume prescreening. They plan on choosing two people to come in to meet with the SVP of the department who just so happens to be a retired FBI agent. I am laready practicing cleaning up any body language "tells" since from what the interviewers told me he likes to study peoples boidy language for cues.

Lathum · 03-10-2009, 10:11 AM

cool good luck with that.

And I am sure you know this already, but if nothing else at least you get to polish up your interview skills.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-10-2009, 10:29 AM

Best of luck.

If you need info on how to avoid body tells, I'd recommend "Read 'Em and Reap" by Joe Navarro. He's a retired FBI agent who interrogated and was trained on that stuff. It's actually a poker tell book, but the information in the book has actually been useful at my workplace too. Not a tough read and a relatively short book.

DaddyTorgo · 03-10-2009, 10:33 AM

MBBF busting out the helpful knowledge!

Galaril · 03-10-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Best of luck.

If you need info on how to avoid body tells, I'd recommend "Read 'Em and Reap" by Joe Navarro. He's a retired FBI agent who interrogated and was trained on that stuff. It's actually a poker tell book, but the information in the book has actually been useful at my workplace too. Not a tough read and a relatively short book.

Yeah and I actually saw him on TV breaking down the Arod interview body language.

sterlingice · 03-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Best of luck.

If you need info on how to avoid body tells, I'd recommend "Read 'Em and Reap" by Joe Navarro. He's a retired FBI agent who interrogated and was trained on that stuff. It's actually a poker tell book, but the information in the book has actually been useful at my workplace too. Not a tough read and a relatively short book.

Kindof curious to check that out. While at Amazon, I also saw:
Amazon.com: Weed 'Em and Reap: A Weed Eater Reader: Roger Welsch: Books

Apparently it's about making food based on weeds you can find in the forest. Who knew?

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-10-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yeah and I actually saw him on TV breaking down the Arod interview body language.

Yeah, I didn't see his analysis, but I watched that interview. After reading the book, you can quickly see a lot of tells that ARod obviously didn't know he had. It's amazing how much information a person gives without even knowing it. The problem is that most people don't even know how to look for that information.

Similarly, I see all kinds of things at work from my co-workers that I never noticed before. You can quickly tell if someone's lying or uncomfortable with something you're asking them to do. Amazing stuff.

Fidatelo · 03-10-2009, 11:57 AM

If MBBF interprets body language the same way he interprets other sources of information I'd love to see an Office-style documentary around that workplace.

MBBF: "Why are you lying to me?"
Co-Worker: "What the hell are you talking about?"
MBBF: "When I asked you how you were doing today, you said "fantastic!" and gave me a nervous smile. Nervous smiles hide lies. Why not just tell the truth?"
Co-Worker: "That was not a nervous smile, it was a normal smile. I'm feeling fantastic and I was smiling about it"
MBBF: "It was a nervous smile, I can tell."
Co-Worker: "It was not a nervous smile, it was a normal smile. Ask Jane, she saw it."
Jane: "Ya, that was a normal smile"
Co-Worker: "See? Normal smile"
MBBF: "Oh really? Then why aren't you smiling now?"
Co-Worker: "Fuck off"

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-10-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

If MBBF interprets body language the same way he interprets other sources of information I'd love to see an Office-style documentary around that workplace.

MBBF: "Why are you lying to me?"
Co-Worker: "What the hell are you talking about?"
MBBF: "When I asked you how you were doing today, you said "fantastic!" and gave me a nervous smile. Nervous smiles hide lies. Why not just tell the truth?"
Co-Worker: "That was not a nervous smile, it was a normal smile. I'm feeling fantastic and I was smiling about it"
MBBF: "It was a nervous smile, I can tell."
Co-Worker: "It was not a nervous smile, it was a normal smile. Ask Jane, she saw it."
Jane: "Ya, that was a normal smile"
Co-Worker: "See? Normal smile"
MBBF: "Oh really? Then why aren't you smiling now?"
Co-Worker: "Fuck off"

I especially like the last quote.

Galaril · 03-10-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yeah, I didn't see his analysis, but I watched that interview. After reading the book, you can quickly see a lot of tells that ARod obviously didn't know he had. It's amazing how much information a person gives without even knowing it. The problem is that most people don't even know how to look for that information.

Similarly, I see all kinds of things at work from my co-workers that I never noticed before. You can quickly tell if someone's lying or uncomfortable with something you're asking them to do. Amazing stuff.

I am wondering on that Joe Navarro book if you think it would any good for none poker playing use. I don't gamble or play poker and see it is geareed towards that audience so am wondering it's business environment application usefulness?

Schmidty · 03-10-2009, 01:15 PM

I just got laid off yesterday too.

I've never been so down. I actually had to apply for unemployment for the first time, and it was pretty depressing.

RendeR · 03-10-2009, 01:27 PM

Sorry to hear the economy got you two guys also. Its going tog et worse before it gets better.

Schmidty: As long as you worked more than 6 months straight you have no reason at all to feel bad about applying for unemployment. You paid into the system and that system is now going to help take care of you while you look for a new job.

Passacaglia · 03-10-2009, 01:39 PM

Sucks to hear, Schmidty. Good luck.

Galaril · 03-10-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR

Sorry to hear the economy got you two guys also. Its going tog et worse before it gets better.

Schmidty: As long as you worked more than 6 months straight you have no reason at all to feel bad about applying for unemployment. You paid into the system and that system is now going to help take care of you while you look for a new job.

As bad as the economy is there is no shame in collecting unemployment these days. Good luck.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-10-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

I am wondering on that Joe Navarro book if you think it would any good for none poker playing use. I don't gamble or play poker and see it is geareed towards that audience so am wondering it's business environment application usefulness?

There's honestly not a single bit of poker strategy regarding the cards. It's mostly just about body language at a table, which can translate directly to the meeting room. The same mannerisms are displayed at meeting room tables.

If you aren't interested in that book, he has another book titled 'What Every Body Is Saying'. You can find that at Amazon or any online retailer as well. It's tilted more towards general behavior. Both are very good reads. He's an entertaining writer.

Either book is great as it educates you on the subtle behaviors that people have while also letting you know how to mask those behaviors when needed.

Galaril · 03-10-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's honestly not a single bit of poker strategy regarding the cards. It's mostly just about body language at a table, which can translate directly to the meeting room. The same mannerisms are displayed at meeting room tables.

If you aren't interested in that book, he has another book titled 'What Every Body Is Saying'. You can find that at Amazon or any online retailer as well. It's tilted more towards general behavior. Both are very good reads. He's an entertaining writer.

Either book is great as it educates you on the subtle behaviors that people have while also letting you know how to mask those behaviors when needed.

Thanks, like I said I have been meaning to read one of his books, so I will definitely have to check one out.

Buccaneer · 03-10-2009, 04:52 PM

Schmidty, I am sorry to hear that. Hang in there my friend.

Galaril · 04-01-2009, 06:29 PM

Well, I have finally landed on my feet just in time with my severance running out I just agreed in principle to a job offer for a Director of IT Security. I say in principle only because they have to get my salary approved by their Board but that appears to just be protocol. Overall I am real happy since this is my dream job position and the company has alot of room for growth plus (not bragging) the compensation is a modest 5% over my last job. So for others out there keep whom are unemployed keep your heads down and you will get a break.

SackAttack · 04-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

Well, I have finally landed on my feet just in time with my severance running out I just agreed in principle to a job offer for a Director of IT Security. I say in principle only because they have to get my salary approved by their Board but that appears to just be protocol. Overall I am real happy since this is my dream job position and the company has alot of room for growth plus (not bragging) the compensation is a modest 5% over my last job. So for others out there keep whom are unemployed keep your heads down and you will get a break.

w00t!

jeff061 · 04-01-2009, 06:46 PM

Congrats!

I know several IT people who lost their job recently. Every one of them found work within a few weeks, with a better position and more pay. It's interesting.

King of New York · 04-01-2009, 07:11 PM

Great news!

Here's hoping that a lot of firms went into panic mode and fired too many people too quickly, and now will have to start rehiring.

JediKooter · 04-01-2009, 07:21 PM

Congrats man! Thats great news.

EagleFan · 04-01-2009, 07:46 PM

Congrats, good to hear.

sterlingice · 04-01-2009, 07:56 PM

Finally some good news

SI

MizzouRah · 04-01-2009, 10:02 PM

Yes indeed, excellent news!!!

Galaril · 04-01-2009, 11:18 PM

yeah, now I have to hurry up and get my mortgage refinanced under the financial stability act while I am still officially unemployed.

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02-27-2009, 01:41 PM	#2
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02-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#9
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Sorry to hear it, but there's a chance that you can come back, right? Also when you're laid off, do you lose benefits?

02-27-2009, 04:37 PM	#13
MizzouRah General Manager Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	That sucks Galaril.. I wish you the best. The IT field is starting to hurt now as well.. everyone is holding on for dear life!

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03-10-2009, 10:09 AM	#25
Galaril Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Castle Rock,Co	Small update on my job search. I had my first interview for a great VP job. It is as close as ajob can be to a dream job for me. The interview was three hours and I think it went real well. I was the last interviewed of 9 candidates that made it past the resume prescreening. They plan on choosing two people to come in to meet with the SVP of the department who just so happens to be a retired FBI agent. I am laready practicing cleaning up any body language "tells" since from what the interviewers told me he likes to study peoples boidy language for cues.

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03-10-2009, 01:39 PM	#37
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Sucks to hear, Schmidty. Good luck.

03-10-2009, 04:52 PM	#41
Buccaneer Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Schmidty, I am sorry to hear that. Hang in there my friend.

04-01-2009, 06:29 PM	#42
Galaril Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Castle Rock,Co	Well, I have finally landed on my feet just in time with my severance running out I just agreed in principle to a job offer for a Director of IT Security. I say in principle only because they have to get my salary approved by their Board but that appears to just be protocol. Overall I am real happy since this is my dream job position and the company has alot of room for growth plus (not bragging) the compensation is a modest 5% over my last job. So for others out there keep whom are unemployed keep your heads down and you will get a break.

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