Penn State 38 - Illinois 33 .. Mens Hoops

[DeToxRox]

I love the Big 10, but Big 10 basketball is unwatchable a lot of the time.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'm so glad that I don't like the Big 10, because Big 10 basketball is unwatchable most of the time.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Radii

You slanderous son of a bitch.

[cartman]

They can still come back in the second half.

[Dr. Sak]

I'll take it!

[Buccaneer]

Big 10 hoops just as pathetic as its football.

[Groundhog]

In other news, the Mob are a few million dollars richer.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

In other news, the Mob are a few million dollars richer.

You mean I might not collect that $5 million bet I put on the under?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Big 10 hoops just as pathetic as its football.

Isn't this coming from a Syracuse fan?

[Pumpy Tudors]

lol

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Isn't this coming from a Syracuse fan?

Big East hoops >>>> Big 10 hoops
Big East football > Big 10 football

[Kodos]

Yeah. Those Big East football teams are really tearin' it up out there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wonder how many times a three point era college basketball team has won a game by scoring fewer points than their football team scored in 9 games during the same year?

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Yeah. Those Big East football teams are really tearin' it up out there.

Didn't imply that it was saying much.

[Neuqua]

THIS is what you were bragging about on gchat Sak?!?!?!?

[Lathum]

I bet the under on so I am happy.

I watched the game on the Big 10 Network and it is 2 hours of my life I will never get back

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I bet the under on so I am happy.

I watched the game on the Big 10 Network and it is 2 hours of my life I will never get back

After watching this game, I almost wish my cable company hadn't cut a deal with the Big 10 Network.

[Philliesfan980]

Maybe I just haven't been paying attention to boxscores lately, Illinois didn't get to the line once. I'm not sure if I've ever seen that before.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Big East hoops >>>> Big 10 hoops
Big East football > Big 10 football

Too much acid in the 60s

[Butter_of_69]

Hey, Ohio State-Northwestern was pretty entertaining.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I bet the under on so I am happy.

I watched the game on the Big 10 Network and it is 2 hours of my life I will never get back

I listened to this game while driving through icy conditions, stretching out my one hour drive long enough to get the whole damn game.

As for those of you complaining about this game, imagine if it was your team that was losing it. While on their home court. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

[Mustang]

38 - 33? These guys would be proud




I like the coach's name though. Wonder if he was inspiration for the group.

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Mustang

38 - 33? These guys would be proud




I like the coach's name though. Wonder if he was inspiration for the group.

Harvard basketball -> 80s pop. Who knew?

Speaking of Ivy Basketball... I might have recounted this before, but back in the day, when Princeton was nationally ranked in the late 90s, I went to see Princeton play at Columbia. Both teams ran the "Princeton Offense". The score at the half was 16-11.

[Dr. Sak]

This one wasn't much better...it was 17-15.

[Kodos]

I'm just happy to see Illinois and their whiny coach lose.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for reminding me that it could be worse, Kodos. I could be rooting for Indiana this year.

Seriously, why do Indiana fans have such a hard-on for Weber? Because he said that IU would suck this year? Or that he called out Sampson for being a low life scumball before your fanbase realized it? Or am I missing something?

[Kodos]

Heh. It's because Weber was such a whiny bitch about the whole Eric Gordon thing last year. Kids commit and decommit all the time. It's just a part of life. The guy was only around for a year and did little of note. But Weber acts like IU killed a member of his family. Saying IU would suck this year certainly didn't help his standing with IU fans. The guys on the Illinois board over at scout do nothing but piss all over Indiana day and night. If anything, it is the Illinois fans who have a hard-on for Indiana.

Actually, I've enjoyed watching IU this year. Sure, the losing sucks, but the kids are playing hard, and Crean is turning things around. Top 10 recruiting class coming in next year. Crean is a class act, and I have no doubt that IU will be returning to prominence over the next few years.

And for the record, I decried the hiring of Sampson from day one. Nobody was happier than me to see that scumbag gone. It's an era I would just as soon forget entirely. Still don't know what they were thinking when they hired him, but pretty much everyone associated with the hiring is gone now. Here is my response from when Sampson's hiring was announced.

Originally Posted by Kodos

And hasn't he been investigated for NCAA infractions. WTF?

[Dr. Sak]

I'd be upset if I were an Hoosier fan that they didn't get a verbal commitment from Jimmy Chitwood.

[hoopsguy]

Using the Scout free message boards as a measure of a fan base is a sure way to hate all fans, including your own. I check those boards to see if I have missed some news, but I cringe at 70% of the stuff that is posted by my own fan base.

I obviously have some different feelings on the Gordon fiasco, but staying on topic I think it is extremely difficult for Indiana to act like they are the victim and Weber is the bad guy. That just strikes me as a really poor logic leap on their part. But whatever floats IU's boat ... just makes beating the Hoosiers a little more fun, I guess.

[Kodos]

Obviously, nobody likes to see a star commit and then decommit from their program. But Weber just went batshit over it. He just seems like a weasel to me. To me, it meant little to have Gordon, since he was sure to leave after one year anyhow. Hell, I care more about Kyle Taber than I ever did about Gordon. It's hard to understand how Illinois fans and Weber got so upset about it.

Anyhow, it appears we will just have to agree to disagree. I like where IU is heading these days in basketball. Like Coach Crean said, get your licks in while we're down, because it's not going to last. I'll certainly be enjoying each and every Illinois loss.

Edit: I could understand Weber having bad feelings toward Sampson, but he seems to have an axe to grind with IU as a whole.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Kodos

He just seems like a weasel to me.

FWIW.....Mizzou fans carry the same opinion of Weber. Some might say it's a good thing that his rivals hate him. Others might say it's true he's a weasel.

[hoopsguy]

Who could have an axe to grind with this guy?

hxxp://www.boilersports.com/

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Hey, Ohio State-Northwestern was pretty entertaining.

If Northwestern didn't blow a 10 point lead in the final 2 minutes against Illinois, they'd be closing in on being tourney team.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

If Northwestern didn't blow a 10 point lead in the final 2 minutes against Illinois, they'd be closing in on being tourney team.

And lose to Michigan the next game in overtime. Too sad. This is reminding me of 03-04 for NW. Good enough to get a rise out of the fans and not be in last, but at the same time, setting themselves up for a loss to the #1 seed in the Big Ten tourney. But, they look good for next year too.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I listened to this game while driving through icy conditions, stretching out my one hour drive long enough to get the whole damn game.

Question. Why?

[hoopsguy]

Why was I driving in the weather? To get home.

Why was I listening to the game? Good fan with a dash of masochism, I guess.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by sooner333

And lose to Michigan the next game in overtime. Too sad. This is reminding me of 03-04 for NW. Good enough to get a rise out of the fans and not be in last, but at the same time, setting themselves up for a loss to the #1 seed in the Big Ten tourney. But, they look good for next year too.

Don't they lose Coble next year?

[OldGiants]

38-33? I guess they couldn't finish the back 9.

Still better than a Dean Smith 2-0 pre-shot clock game.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

38-33? I guess they couldn't finish the back 9.

Still better than a Dean Smith 2-0 pre-shot clock game.

Amusingly enough, the lowest scoring game in ACC history didn't involve UNC and the Four Corners offense, but rather UNC's two dirty, dirty rivals:

TIM PEELER: 12-10 – A Score That Lives in ACC Infamy - NC State University Wolfpack - Official Athletics Site

At halftime, the Blue Devils led 4-2. Things moved quickly in the opening minutes of the second half, until Duke took an 8-6 lead. That's when Sloan instructed Kretzer to hold the ball again. At one point, Kretzer dribbled the ball continuously for 13 minutes and 45 seconds as time slowly clicked off the clock. Both radio and television broadcasts went to commercial breaks while the clock was running, and neither missed any action.

[Wolfpack]

That may be, but it was definitely Dean's fault the shot clock came into being in the first place. The final straw was the 1982 ACC Championship when everyone was expecting fireworks between Carolina and Virginia. However, Dean decided to take the air out of it in the second half by stalling for twelve minutes. True, Virginia could have done something about it, but it was quite clear that Dean wasn't going to win it any other way if he could. So, State and Duke may have done what they did, but Dean raised it to a very irksome artform.

[SFL Cat]

Wow...were the shooting percentages horrendous, or do they just not throw up the ball a lot in Big 10 Hoops? A girl's middle school game sounds more exciting that that one must have been.

[hoopsguy]

Shooting % were somewhere around 30% for Illini and 28% for Wisky. But Illini, at home, had zero free throw attempts. I believe both teams had about a dozen turnovers as well.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Don't they lose Coble next year?

Coble is a Junior this year...Craig Moore is a senior (second leading scorer). Moore is the only contributor that is a senior.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

That may be, but it was definitely Dean's fault the shot clock came into being in the first place. The final straw was the 1982 ACC Championship when everyone was expecting fireworks between Carolina and Virginia. However, Dean decided to take the air out of it in the second half by stalling for twelve minutes. True, Virginia could have done something about it, but it was quite clear that Dean wasn't going to win it any other way if he could. So, State and Duke may have done what they did, but Dean raised it to a very irksome artform.

As long as you admit that when Dean did it, it became an art form

And yea, you are absolutely right on the facts and the shot clock heh. With Jordan and Perkins and Worthy and Sampson all out on the floor at the same time, I would have been pissed to see UNC stalling, even as a UNC fan, if I were old enough to know what was going on at the time.

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by Radii

As long as you admit that when Dean did it, it became an art form

And yea, you are absolutely right on the facts and the shot clock heh. With Jordan and Perkins and Worthy and Sampson all out on the floor at the same time, I would have been pissed to see UNC stalling, even as a UNC fan, if I were old enough to know what was going on at the time.

Art Form? As in the answer to the question, "Who was the only man to hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points per game?"

[ColtCrazy]

Well, I went to my first IU game in several years. Been fairly mad at the program since Knight left...never got into Davis and thought Sampson was a horrible hire.

Saw IU play Wisconsin. They played hard and were only down one at halftime then talent caught up and Wisconsin won by 17.

Wisconsin's style of play is horrible to watch. Pound, pound, pound, and occasionally kick it out for a 3.

IU, though, got up and down the floor. Trouble is they have no talent. I'm really starting to be a believer in Tom Crean. Once he gets some talent, IU will be a fun team to watch.

On a side note, I went down to the floor after the game because I was trying to meet Calbert Cheaney, who was the honorary captain. Ran into Coach Crean and he came up, shook my hand, thanked me for coming and and supporting IU basketball. He did this to EVERYONE in the hallway. Wow. It really impressed me.

I grew up watching IU play and year in and out you felt like IU always had a chance to be a decent team, and many times a national contender. For the first time in years I have hope.

The Big Ten isn't what it was in the late 80s-early 90s, but it's got a lot of powerhouse schools. They'll be back. I just hope more teams eventually adopt IU's new philosophy of pushing the ball up the court.

[Kodos]

Wasn't Dumes out for the Wisconsin game? He's the main scoring threat.

[INDalltheway]

Isn't the Big Ten second in conference RPI AHEAD of the Big East?

Hasn't a middle tier Big Ten team (Michigan) beat Duke and UCLA and played UCONN close on their home court?

The reason Big Ten basketball is deemed unwatchable is because the officiating is absolutely terrible. They allow murder underneath the basket while calling the most tic-tac fouls on the perimeter. That said the Big Ten is pretty darn good this year. There really isn't one powerhouse team that allows the ACC and Big East to stick out, but other than Iowa and Indiana, every team is pretty solid.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by INDalltheway

The reason Big Ten basketball is deemed unwatchable is because the officiating is absolutely terrible.

I would disagree entirely with that and state that the entire reason I find many big 10 games unwatchable is that a game between two teams where the final score is 52-47 is not entertaining to me at all as a neutral observer. The Big 10 has way too many games like that.

I am not out to argue that the Big 10 is bad, though I will take a moment to brag about the fact that the Big 10 has lost 10 straight ACC-Big 10 Challenges and that the ACC is 62-35 in those games. My only argument is that, as someone who is not a fan of the big 10 already, I would rarely go out of my way to watch a big 10 game because the odds that I'll watch an entirely boring brand of basketball are way too high.

[sooner333]

Well, the reason scoring is so low is because you can knive someone underneath the basket to keep him from scoring. Then the other team on the other end pulls out the taser. They are related.

But, of course, if you waft the air around the opponent outside the three point line, that's a foul. Big 12 used to be the same way, they've changed some though. Big 10 and Big 12 seem to have an overlap in many of their refs, but it seems that some have started doing Big East games too (Hightower, for instance).