1969 Offseason Thread

[Young Drachma]

The votes on active roster and salary cap are the only proposed changes for this year. Fret not, amigos about anything else.

[Young Drachma]

Oh and of course, we'll be deleting the summer league next pre-season.

[Young Drachma]

Rio Grande: $5 million
Colorado: $2.5 million
Brooklyn & Ann Arbor: $1.25 million each

[Alan T]

Grats to Rio Grande!

[gstelmack]

Win 4 more games than last year, but squeezed out by 1 game on the playoff share...

[Cringer]

International players are looking very good, very young, and very expensive. I can't afford any of them so far. I am tight for money but the guy I signed last, Juan Navarro, was pretty cheap compared to most of these guys.

Were young superstars the purpose of the Int. vulture league?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Cringer

International players are looking very good, very young, and very expensive. I can't afford any of them so far. I am tight for money but the guy I signed last, Juan Navarro, was pretty cheap compared to most of these guys.

Were young superstars the purpose of the Int. vulture league?

No, the purpose of the Vulture League was to provide international talent. They are generated young. Would you like me to increase the age of the players down there? I figured it would be good to have young phenoms coming up, like foreign draftees, but if we wanna have it be more "balanced" I can control for that to some degree, though it'll take a few years to make it really work right.

[Cringer]

It just seems like a large number of fully developed 20 year olds this year. I understand the guy I grabbed, Navarro, and the guy Colorado grabbed and almost killed me in the Classic with, were the same way. Maybe I didn't notice there being as many last year and there were though, it is just there seem to be a lot this time around. 15-20 guys coming over from Japan every year who are 19-22 and in the lineup right away does seem a little out of whack to me.

Maybe I am just jealous I have no shot at Rich Lang. Unless some other guys have a big problem with it I can live with it just fine.

[Alan T]

I don't mind a small amount of international league talent infused into the league.. It shouldn't be more than 1 star type player a year though (which is what it seems to be from what I have seen). It provides a nice balance for teams to have to decide to build through the draft, free agency or whatnot.

I don't think these players should be top 10 type allstars, but I don't see why they can't be a top5 on a team type.

The main issues I had with the other various systems is they didn't have any accountability or system to getting the players (ie: the way OOTP handles signing for prospects or the autofill randomly giving some teams great players and others not so great).. This way they are developed players, OOTP's free agency handles them a bit better and it is not so much talent to saturate the league.

Not sure I'm in love with it yet, but I don't see any problem running it for a few years to see how it works out for us.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Cringer

It just seems like a large number of fully developed 20 year olds this year. I understand the guy I grabbed, Navarro, and the guy Colorado grabbed and almost killed me in the Classic with, were the same way. Maybe I didn't notice there being as many last year and there were though, it is just there seem to be a lot this time around. 15-20 guys coming over from Japan every year who are 19-22 and in the lineup right away does seem a little out of whack to me.

Maybe I am just jealous I have no shot at Rich Lang. Unless some other guys have a big problem with it I can live with it just fine.

I decided to change the age group options from youthful to 23 to 27, so the created players will come out older and I can make them stay down there a lot longer, so the talent infusion isn't as catastrophic.

[Chief Rum]

Anybody else having trouble connecting to the FTP server? I can't seem to download the league files.

[Young Drachma]

Running the file. Well I'd started a few minutes ago.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Running the file. Well I'd started a few minutes ago.

So you suggesting that might be the reason I can't download the file then?

[Young Drachma]

Uploading the free agency file now.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So you suggesting that might be the reason I can't download the file then?

Perhaps, kind sir. Perhaps.

[Young Drachma]

File is 47MB and at 7%

[Young Drachma]

I forgot to lower box scores, etc., so the file is still huge and slow. At 87%

[Young Drachma]

Nevermind that. I am going to bed, but game said the file is up and didn't report an error. It ought to work just fine.

[Chief Rum]

Maybe it said that for you, but I am still getting a can't find FTP connection error.

It might be just my connection. My Internet connection has been really hazy tonight. But just in case...thought I would let you know.

[Commo_Soldier]

It found the file for me and is downloading.

[Chief Rum]

Got it to work.

[Cringer]

Couldn't make it work with Ron Wilson, which I kind of figured. The search for a new guy to put into the rotation starts.

[Young Drachma]

Ed Wilson's consecutive games streak of 28 games is in threat, as Rick Inman is at 24 games to end last year and counting...

[Alan T]

DC I need a few minutes before tonight's sim. Ran late on some stuff. I will be quick

[Alan T]

Ok, all set!

[Young Drachma]

Ok, lemme get things together.

[Alan T]

Bah, have a bad feeling with the last minute deals my free agent target is about to get poached!

[Young Drachma]

November 4th, 1968: CF Rich Lang (Vulture League) signed a 6 year/$96 million deal with Brooklyn

[Young Drachma]

CL Pete McKeane (Hartford) signed a 3 year deal worth $21.2 million with Compton

SP Pablo Gonzalez signed a 3 year extension with Colorado

[Young Drachma]

C Stanford Jones resigned with Hartford for 4 years and $36.1 million

2B Fred Lindsay (NYH) signed a 3 year deal worth $7.7 million with Atlanta

2B Nathan Adams (CPT) signed a 2 year deal worth $2.2 million with Brooklyn

C Alfredo Zamora (LBI) signed a 2 year deal worth $2.7 million with Ann Arbor

[Young Drachma]

SP Ron Wilson signed a 3 year deal worth $15.4 million with Baltimore

3B Chris Foster signed a 3 year deal worth $17.9 million with Ann Arbor

SP Gabriel Prado signed a 4 year deal worth $45.2 million with Valdosta

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Bah, have a bad feeling with the last minute deals my free agent target is about to get poached!

I tried, but...you came in at the last minute and stole 'em. Good work.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I tried, but...you came in at the last minute and stole 'em. Good work.

Thank goodness! I put all of my free agent money available on him. If i hadn't signed him that would be 2 offseasons without any above average pickup! (Draft or Free agent).

Hopefully he fills what I think is my only glaring hole!

[Chief Rum]

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

[Cringer]

Ron Wilson is 100% gone now. I gave it one last shot but not enough room under the cap to offer much, so I figured he was gone.

Rich Lang in Brooklyn will be interesting.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.

[Young Drachma]

Baltimore signed SP Alden Hendricks to a 3 year deal worth $19.1 million

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

I hardly ever get trade offers either. I think you have to go out and make your own trade offers to others (I know it is tough with your schedule though). I assume my lack of offers right now is because what I want, no one wants to trade (Top Starting pitching for top level prospects).

I've been watching to see what people are offering to make an offer myself to someone, but no one is mentioning wanting to trade starting pitching, and other than Shortstop, I don't have any desire to trade for other positions.

[Young Drachma]

Packing the file up now.

[ekcut]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.

Bingo...I wasn't shopping Williams but DC made me an offer I couldnt refuse.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I hardly ever get trade offers either. I think you have to go out and make your own trade offers to others (I know it is tough with your schedule though). I assume my lack of offers right now is because what I want, no one wants to trade (Top Starting pitching for top level prospects).

I've been watching to see what people are offering to make an offer myself to someone, but no one is mentioning wanting to trade starting pitching, and other than Shortstop, I don't have any desire to trade for other positions.

Also the better your team, the harder it is to trade. Colorado has been to 2 of the last 3 FOOL Classics. Making deals when you're on top is hard, because everyone is gunning for you.

When you're a "few away" it's easier to make a deal when you're willing to give up the farm to get close to the big guns. It's a very high risk, high reward way to live. And some teams aren't looking to do to the 2 for 1 deals that you'd expect in a usual trade market.

I think it's an ebb and flow thing that'll change based on the composition of our owner groups, etc.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.

I won't ever make trades then. I don't have a schedule conducive to making trades.

Really, it's stupid. There are far too many good players on my team that could start elsewhere, but because half the owners won't get off their butts to look, these guys just stay with me.

I guess I'll keep them.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by ekcut

Bingo...I wasn't shopping Williams but DC made me an offer I couldnt refuse.

Did it occur to you that the guy who offered you a boatload last year for Williams might be interested in trying to top the offer you got this year from Compton?

[Young Drachma]

I haven't made a trade in any off-season that's done anything but get me frustrating close. I'm running an expansion team tho, so I don't really have the advantage that I had say, when I was running St. Louis and a farm system that I was building from scratch, I'm just trying to build around key positions and hope they gel in the right year to get us to the promised land. It's a very risky strategy and I've spent a lot of money pursuing it. Part of why I keep going with it, is because of the investment I've already made that it would be hard now, to stop in mid-stream and start over...but I'm more discerning about making signings to make a splash and become a little better at reading the market. Our top teams seem to be building from within, while making key signings to keep themselves on top.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Also the better your team, the harder it is to trade. Colorado has been to 2 of the last 3 FOOL Classics. Making deals when you're on top is hard, because everyone is gunning for you.

When you're a "few away" it's easier to make a deal when you're willing to give up the farm to get close to the big guns. It's a very high risk, high reward way to live. And some teams aren't looking to do to the 2 for 1 deals that you'd expect in a usual trade market.

I think it's an ebb and flow thing that'll change based on the composition of our owner groups, etc.

Sorry, but that's bull. There have been plenty of teams who look very good already such as your St. Louis in the past or New York or Texas or Hartford who still pulled off deals.

No, it's clearly something in my approach, so I'll just have to do something different.

[Young Drachma]

File is 20.25 MB, 30% done.

[ekcut]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Did it occur to you that the guy who offered you a boatload last year for Williams might be interested in trying to top the offer you got this year from Compton?

Yup....but if I was going to do it, I was going to do it before this sim so that the money I could save I could use on FA's this year. I didn't have time to shop around...I suppose I could of emailed every team in the league to see who was willing to top the offer...but what makes you think I have any more free time than you?

[Young Drachma]

85% done.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ekcut

Yup....but if I was going to do it, I was going to do it before this sim so that the money I could save I could use on FA's this year. I didn't have time to shop around...I suppose I could of emailed every team in the league to see who was willing to top the offer...but what makes you think I have any more free time than you?

I don't have a horse in this race here, but you probably could have gotten more offers if you had posted on the trade block that you were looking to move him. I know at least a few people who check each trade block post in case there is someone they are interested in. (In the past when I put a star player up, I had a few people come back with questions or offers).


On a slightly related note, It seems the trade block is far more effective when people post their players they are looking to move rather than when teams post their needs. For instance I don't usually get any offers to try to fill up my needs.

[Young Drachma]

File is up.