'Top 25' list details students' looks, bodies

Suburban Rhythm · 04-27-2006, 12:53 PM

This story has been front page news in Pittsburgh the last 2 days...

Original Wednesday article, "breaking" the story--
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06116/685098-55.stm

Thursday, follow-up article--

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06117/685523-55.stm

Am I alone in thinking they are making WAY too big of a deal about this?
Is it tasteless/disgusting? Sure. But how is it criminal?
Insensitivity is not a crime.

AgustusM · 04-27-2006, 01:00 PM

I do agree that we as a society have become overly sensitive and this is another example of that.

However if I saw something to the effect that my daughter was a whore, and these are the things these guys wanted to do to her - I would be hard pressed not to pay the little bastards a visit.

oliegirl · 04-27-2006, 01:09 PM

They definitely have a civil case for slander/libel (whichever one is written - I can never remember). But I don't think there is a criminal case here...it's disgusting, but it didn't break any laws.

Masked · 04-27-2006, 01:21 PM

I can't see how you can argue that this list is not sexual harassment and as such is against school policy. Those who had the list and were commenting on it at school should be subject to discipline. Those who made the list but did not distribute it, bring it, or talk about it at school (if this is true) should not be subject to discipline by the school; however, it certainly sounds like there may be grounds for a civil suit.

Masked · 04-27-2006, 01:23 PM

Dola, and I imagine variations of this occur at every school in the country. I know it occurred back when I was in high school (over a decade ago) and the lists were made by both sexes. Although this one sounds more graphic than any I saw.

Schmidty · 04-27-2006, 01:25 PM

This is a perfect example of parents not teaching their kids class and respect for others at an early age.

Suburban Rhythm · 04-27-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Masked

Dola, and I imagine variations of this occur at every school in the country. I know it occurred back when I was in high school (over a decade ago) and the lists were made by both sexes. Although this one sounds more graphic than any I saw.

I think that is a big part of it...we've all done this, at least mentally. I'm guessing we are around the same age, I think difference now is, we didn't have the access to computers, etc that these kids do now. Otherwise, these prior versions might have been published too.

I can't help but think...what if a girl wanted to bring charges for NOT being on the list? Isn't that, implicitly, commenting on her looks, but not considering her one of the top 25?

albionmoonlight · 04-27-2006, 01:33 PM

Calling someone a slut is a crime?

Raiders Army · 04-27-2006, 01:38 PM

I can see similarities between that list and the Hot or Not polls. I can also see the differences.

sabotai · 04-27-2006, 01:44 PM

That is so awesome!

We pretty much did the same in high school, but we just talked about the chicks, never published anything. I wish I had thought of doing that though...and I had kind of a reputation that would suggest I never would have done something like that, so I so totally would have gotten away with it too (just like I got away with everything else I did in high school. *evil laugh*).

Suburban Rhythm · 04-27-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I can see similarities between that list and the Hot or Not polls. I can also see the differences.

That is scary...I was just about to post that, since a Hot or Not was the top thread when I looked.

-Mojo Jojo- · 04-27-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

They definitely have a civil case for slander/libel (whichever one is written - I can never remember).

That, of course, would depend on whether or not what they said was true. It would make for an interesting trial to say the least...

BrianD · 04-27-2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

They definitely have a civil case for slander/libel (whichever one is written - I can never remember). But I don't think there is a criminal case here...it's disgusting, but it didn't break any laws.

Slander is Spoken - is how I remember it.

Libel is....the other one.

QuikSand · 04-27-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

They definitely have a civil case for slander/libel (whichever one is written - I can never remember).

Interesting concept. To prove libel, you have to show that what was written is, in fact, not true.

What if the statements are something along the lines of "you could bounce a quarter off that tight tush" or "she's only got little skeeter bites up there." The evidenciary battles would be amusing.

KevinNU7 · 04-27-2006, 02:12 PM

I don't see the criminal side of this at all. But I do see how these kids (I'd imagine it's the senior boys) should get suspended

QuikSand · 04-27-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -Mojo Jojo-

That, of course, would depend on whether or not what they said was true. It would make for an interesting trial to say the least...

Uh, yeah - what he said.

cartman · 04-27-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

The evidenciary battles would be amusing.

"If the golf ball passes through the garden hose,
My client avoids wearing orange prison clothes."

jeff061 · 04-27-2006, 02:30 PM

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"It's just kids being kids," said Michael Gallaway, 16.

That's really about it.

Glengoyne · 04-27-2006, 03:00 PM

I was with a bunch of guys who decided to make up a story about one of the hot girls at our school. Basically that she had gone off on "senior ditch day" and got knocked up by some black guy she met on the beach. It was one of those things where we were sitting around talking and laughing about it, and then I remember being shocked when I heard it the very next day at school. It was during graduation week. I learned later that the story apparently had a big impact on her at the time. I regretted actually not doing more to quash the story when people brought it to me.

She was pretty smoking hot though she ended up breaking up the marriage of a famous NFLer.

AgustusM · 04-27-2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

This is a perfect example of parents not teaching their kids class and respect for others at an early age.

I agree with this 100%

Samdari · 04-27-2006, 03:16 PM

In other news, people magazine's 100 most beatiful people were named today.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-27-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

In other news, people magazine's 100 most beatiful people were named today.

Outstanding timing I'd say. (and a pretty relevant post, good job Samdari)

And, to avoid an unneeded dola:
Here's a thought for the upset parents: if you don't want your daughters sexual abilities to be a topic of discussion, maybe try doing a little more to prevent them from displaying their skills/lack thereof for critique.

BrianD · 04-27-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Outstanding timing I'd say. (and a pretty relevant post, good job Samdari)

And, to avoid an unneeded dola:
Here's a thought for the upset parents: if you don't want your daughters sexual abilities to be a topic of discussion, maybe try doing a little more to prevent them from displaying their skills/lack thereof for critique.

The girls will still be rated on their physical appearance, and their sexual abilities will be made up. Boys this age don't need actual facts when they make up the surveys/ratings.

Maple Leafs · 04-27-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Interesting concept. To prove libel, you have to show that what was written is, in fact, not true.

I know lawyers are paid to do whatever they need to do for their clients, but that "truth is a defense" quote from the lawyer in the second article is one of the coldest things I've ever seen. He's basically saying "if you sue, I'm going to make you sit there in court and watch me call witnesses who'll testify about what your daughter does under the bleachers".

JonInMiddleGA · 04-27-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

... but that "truth is a defense" quote from the lawyer in the second article is one of the coldest things I've ever seen. He's basically saying "if you sue, I'm going to make you sit there in court and watch me call witnesses who'll testify about what your daughter does under the bleachers".

Cold or not, it's a very correct tactic here. The object for the defense, presumably, would be to take all the air out of the litigation balloon before it ever takes off. And that's a pretty sharp pin he's wielding IMO.

Blade6119 · 04-27-2006, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Cold or not, it's a very correct tactic here. The object for the defense, presumably, would be to take all the air out of the litigation balloon before it ever takes off. And that's a pretty sharp pin he's wielding IMO.

Damn true...quite smart actually

Blade6119 · 04-27-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AgustusM

I agree with this 100%

Every guy i have ever met have rated girls on looks at one point or another. Your just being hipprocitical now. Are you going to tell me you have never said Susie is cute, but amy is hotter? If you have, your ranking them...and if you say you havent your a liar. Dont give me this crap about it being the parents, its just human nature in society for people to be rated and ranked based on their looks.

-Mojo Jojo- · 04-27-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Every guy i have ever met have rated girls on looks at one point or another. Your just being hipprocitical now. Are you going to tell me you have never said Susie is cute, but amy is hotter? If you have, your ranking them...and if you say you havent your a liar. Dont give me this crap about it being the parents, its just human nature in society for people to be rated and ranked based on their looks.

There's an appropriate time and place for everything.. Just because you "rate" someone by in appearance in some circumstances doesn't mean it's appropriate across the board. Some of the legal claims here are pretty overblown, but this was clearly in very poor taste.

-Mojo Jojo- · 04-27-2006, 04:43 PM

p.s. How can there be no pics in this thread?

Easy Mac · 04-27-2006, 05:10 PM

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Juniors Caroline Tobin and Cassandra Klobuchir said they knew some of the girls on the list.

Should I feel bad these girls weren't on the list, or should I be glad they didn't have anything bad said about them.

sterlingice · 04-27-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samdari

In other news, people magazine's 100 most beatiful people were named today.

Beautiful

SI

Ksyrup · 04-27-2006, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Interesting concept. To prove libel, you have to show that what was written is, in fact, not true.

What if the statements are something along the lines of "you could bounce a quarter off that tight tush" or "she's only got little skeeter bites up there." The evidenciary battles would be amusing.

I'll make the "best evidence rule" argument.

kingfc22 · 04-27-2006, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Outstanding timing I'd say. (and a pretty relevant post, good job Samdari)

And, to avoid an unneeded dola:
Here's a thought for the upset parents: if you don't want your daughters sexual abilities to be a topic of discussion, maybe try doing a little more to prevent them from displaying their skills/lack thereof for critique.

I was going to post the same thing after reading the news article, but it has already been said.

Vinatieri for Prez · 04-27-2006, 10:35 PM

Amazingly overblown. From the article, it sounds as if the kids don't really care too much about it. Stuff like this has been going on for decades. As for a civil suit, please. You'd have to prove damages, causation, etc. Moreover, it has to be statement of fact, not opinion, that is false. This is a bunch of parents with their panties in a bunch. And yes, I even have a daughter of my own. I would take my daughter aside and tell her, these guys are asshats and ignore them. And most of all, get all your friends together and make sure they never get any -- preferably by tricking them into dropping trou' behind the stage curtain and the lifting it up so everyone can laugh at them.

Suburban Rhythm · 04-28-2006, 07:58 AM

LIVE...day 3 coverage--

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06118/685810-55.stm

albionmoonlight · 04-28-2006, 08:28 AM

So is the list available anywhere? The Unibomber gets his manifesto published because it is "news." And we have to see pictures of guys being tortured in Iraq because it is "news."

But I can't learn about the sexual habits of Top-25 teenagers in Pennsylvania? That sure seems like news to me. How do they expect me to make an informed decision about this matter without seeing the list?

Suburban Rhythm · 04-28-2006, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So is the list available anywhere? The Unibomber gets his manifesto published because it is "news." And we have to see pictures of guys being tortured in Iraq because it is "news."

But I can't learn about the sexual habits of Top-25 teenagers in Pennsylvania? That sure seems like news to me. How do they expect me to make an informed decision about this matter without seeing the list?

You might open yourself up to liability...these parents might think you are also forming an opinion about there innocent daughters.

Part of the issue might be...Mt. Lebonan is strictly upper middle-class / low end "elite" class neighborhood. Had this happened in a city district, nobody would care.

DanGarion · 04-28-2006, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So is the list available anywhere? The Unibomber gets his manifesto published because it is "news." And we have to see pictures of guys being tortured in Iraq because it is "news."

But I can't learn about the sexual habits of Top-25 teenagers in Pennsylvania? That sure seems like news to me. How do they expect me to make an informed decision about this matter without seeing the list?

I know I want to see if they are on Myspace...

j/k

Rizon · 04-28-2006, 02:09 PM

Can someone give me the name of whoever ranks #1 in BJs?

Rizon · 04-28-2006, 02:10 PM

Oh, and make sure her Volatility ranking is low too.

DanGarion · 04-28-2006, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rizon

Can someone give me the name of whoever ranks #1 in BJs?

And the date of birth to make sure you approach her when she's 18?

Rizon · 04-28-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

And the date of birth to make sure you approach her when she's 18?

Oh wait, these are high school girls?? I thought this was college.

Count me out then, but I'll take the birth dates just in case.

MrBigglesworth · 04-28-2006, 03:57 PM

I don't see the problem here. These are the top 25 girls at a school, so obviously it's overall complementary in nature. So it says someone gives good head. So what? Isn't that a good thing? So it says someone has small breasts. Shouldn't they already know that by looking in the mirror every day? So it says someone is a slut. So what, sluts in high school were some of the most popular girls!

It's not like this was the "top 25 fattest chicks" list. I remember when I was in school, I took a couple girls that I was thinking of asking out and rated each on different physical attributes and personality to come up with an overall (probably foreshadowing my love of text sims). I never made it public, but if someone found it I'd hate to think that I could be charged with libel for it.

Desnudo · 04-28-2006, 04:03 PM

The only problem I see here is that now all the adults know which girls are headed for the pole. Being on a list doesn't make you a slut, sucking a lot of cock does.

MrBigglesworth · 04-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Does anyone else think that this would not even be an issue if the genders were reversed?

"Johnnie has a huge penis and is an awesome fvck" = NO LAWSUIT!

ISiddiqui · 04-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I know lawyers are paid to do whatever they need to do for their clients, but that "truth is a defense" quote from the lawyer in the second article is one of the coldest things I've ever seen. He's basically saying "if you sue, I'm going to make you sit there in court and watch me call witnesses who'll testify about what your daughter does under the bleachers".

In addition to JIMG's comments, I think it is colder to sue over a rankings list, trying to force the makers to fork over money and have 'sexual harrasment' on their record for simply making a ranking list which was NOT sent to each girl's house. I know sexual harrasment is a problem, but my standards for it are far higher than this.

I think it's a ridiculous issue and lawsuit. And I think the girls lose in the end. You'd have to prove it was false. If it was a rumor that was going around (and not something the writers made up), how can you really say they were libeling her?

sterlingice · 04-29-2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Does anyone else think that this would not even be an issue if the genders were reversed?

"Johnnie has a huge penis and is an awesome fvck" = NO LAWSUIT!

Agreed- of course this is because it's a list of girls and not guys.

SI

judicial clerk · 04-29-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

The only problem I see here is that now all the adults know which girls are headed for the pole. Being on a list doesn't make you a slut, sucking a lot of cock does.

"Try not to suck any cock on your way home!"

best evidence rule = awesome

DaddyTorgo · 04-29-2006, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So is the list available anywhere? The Unibomber gets his manifesto published because it is "news." And we have to see pictures of guys being tortured in Iraq because it is "news."

But I can't learn about the sexual habits of Top-25 teenagers in Pennsylvania? That sure seems like news to me. How do they expect me to make an informed decision about this matter without seeing the list?

just myspace search Mt. Lebanon HS for females with pics man!

shit...that took me all of 3 seconds

Suburban Rhythm · 05-11-2006, 02:23 PM

More information on this story--

One male student suspended:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06125/687690-55.stm

Some teacher discussion garabge:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06130/688781-55.stm

Family files complaint against school (this could also go in the thread re: frivolous lawsuits started recently):
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06131/689238-55.stm

04-27-2006, 01:21 PM	#4
Masked College Benchwarmer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	I can't see how you can argue that this list is not sexual harassment and as such is against school policy. Those who had the list and were commenting on it at school should be subject to discipline. Those who made the list but did not distribute it, bring it, or talk about it at school (if this is true) should not be subject to discipline by the school; however, it certainly sounds like there may be grounds for a civil suit. Last edited by Masked : 04-27-2006 at 01:24 PM.

04-27-2006, 01:25 PM	#6
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Cloudy Bellingham, WA	This is a perfect example of parents not teaching their kids class and respect for others at an early age. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

04-27-2006, 02:12 PM	#15
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	I don't see the criminal side of this at all. But I do see how these kids (I'd imagine it's the senior boys) should get suspended __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

04-27-2006, 03:00 PM	#19
Glengoyne Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I was with a bunch of guys who decided to make up a story about one of the hot girls at our school. Basically that she had gone off on "senior ditch day" and got knocked up by some black guy she met on the beach. It was one of those things where we were sitting around talking and laughing about it, and then I remember being shocked when I heard it the very next day at school. It was during graduation week. I learned later that the story apparently had a big impact on her at the time. I regretted actually not doing more to quash the story when people brought it to me. She was pretty smoking hot though she ended up breaking up the marriage of a famous NFLer. __________________ Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever. -- Lance Armstrong

04-27-2006, 03:16 PM	#21
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	In other news, people magazine's 100 most beatiful people were named today. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

04-27-2006, 01:00 PM	#2
AgustusM College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003	I do agree that we as a society have become overly sensitive and this is another example of that. However if I saw something to the effect that my daughter was a whore, and these are the things these guys wanted to do to her - I would be hard pressed not to pay the little bastards a visit.

04-27-2006, 01:23 PM	#5
Masked College Benchwarmer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	Dola, and I imagine variations of this occur at every school in the country. I know it occurred back when I was in high school (over a decade ago) and the lists were made by both sexes. Although this one sounds more graphic than any I saw.

04-27-2006, 01:33 PM	#8
albionmoonlight Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Calling someone a slut is a crime?

04-27-2006, 01:38 PM	#9
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I can see similarities between that list and the Hot or Not polls. I can also see the differences.

04-27-2006, 01:44 PM	#10
sabotai Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	That is so awesome! We pretty much did the same in high school, but we just talked about the chicks, never published anything. I wish I had thought of doing that though...and I had kind of a reputation that would suggest I never would have done something like that, so I so totally would have gotten away with it too (just like I got away with everything else I did in high school. evil laugh).

04-27-2006, 04:43 PM	#29
-Mojo Jojo- High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003	p.s. How can there be no pics in this thread?

04-27-2006, 10:35 PM	#34
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Amazingly overblown. From the article, it sounds as if the kids don't really care too much about it. Stuff like this has been going on for decades. As for a civil suit, please. You'd have to prove damages, causation, etc. Moreover, it has to be statement of fact, not opinion, that is false. This is a bunch of parents with their panties in a bunch. And yes, I even have a daughter of my own. I would take my daughter aside and tell her, these guys are asshats and ignore them. And most of all, get all your friends together and make sure they never get any -- preferably by tricking them into dropping trou' behind the stage curtain and the lifting it up so everyone can laugh at them.

04-28-2006, 07:58 AM	#35
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	LIVE...day 3 coverage-- http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06118/685810-55.stm

04-28-2006, 08:28 AM	#36
albionmoonlight Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	So is the list available anywhere? The Unibomber gets his manifesto published because it is "news." And we have to see pictures of guys being tortured in Iraq because it is "news." But I can't learn about the sexual habits of Top-25 teenagers in Pennsylvania? That sure seems like news to me. How do they expect me to make an informed decision about this matter without seeing the list?

04-28-2006, 03:57 PM	#43
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	I don't see the problem here. These are the top 25 girls at a school, so obviously it's overall complementary in nature. So it says someone gives good head. So what? Isn't that a good thing? So it says someone has small breasts. Shouldn't they already know that by looking in the mirror every day? So it says someone is a slut. So what, sluts in high school were some of the most popular girls! It's not like this was the "top 25 fattest chicks" list. I remember when I was in school, I took a couple girls that I was thinking of asking out and rated each on different physical attributes and personality to come up with an overall (probably foreshadowing my love of text sims). I never made it public, but if someone found it I'd hate to think that I could be charged with libel for it.

04-28-2006, 04:03 PM	#44
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	The only problem I see here is that now all the adults know which girls are headed for the pole. Being on a list doesn't make you a slut, sucking a lot of cock does.

04-28-2006, 04:11 PM	#45
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	Does anyone else think that this would not even be an issue if the genders were reversed? "Johnnie has a huge penis and is an awesome fvck" = NO LAWSUIT!

05-11-2006, 02:23 PM	#50
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	More information on this story-- One male student suspended: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06125/687690-55.stm Some teacher discussion garabge: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06130/688781-55.stm Family files complaint against school (this could also go in the thread re: frivolous lawsuits started recently): http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06131/689238-55.stm

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