NFL Over Under WINS help me pick

Lathum · 08-22-2005, 11:00 PM

OK, for a few years I have been wanting to do a 4 way parlay on 4 teams win total for the NFL season. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is a bet where you take 4 teams and bet that they are going to have more or less wins then the posted number. All 4 teams would have to win on their selection to win the bet.

I decided it would be fun to enlist everyone's help and keep track through the season. Below I am going to post all teams win total number. All I ask is that you select 4 teams and weather or not you think they will win more then the number or less. If I get enough participation I will take the 4 most popular selections for a $100 bet.

You may notice not every team is there, the reason is if a team has a big issue such as the Giants with Mannings elbow then they won't be listed.

Arizona Cardinals 7.5 wins

Atlanta Falcons 9.5 wins

Baltimore Ravens 9.5 wins

Buffalo Bills 8.5 wins

Carolina Panthers 9.5 wins

Chicago Bears 6.5 wins

Cincinnati Bengals 7.5 wins

Cleveland Browns 4.5 wins

Dallas Cowboys 8.5 wins

Denver Broncos 8.5 wins

Detroit Lions Over 8.5 wins

Green Bay Packers 7.5 wins

Houston Texans 7.5 wins

Indianapolis Colts 11.5 wins

Jacksonville Jaguars 8.5 wins

Kansas City Chiefs Over 8.5 wins

Minnesota Vikings 9.5 wins

New England Patriots 10.5 wins

New Orleans Saints 7.5 wins

New York Jets Over 9.5 wins

Oakland Raiders Over 7.5 wins

Philadelphia Eagles Over 11.5 wins

Pittsburgh Steelers 9.5 wins

St. Louis Rams 8.5 wins

San Diego Chargers 8 wins

San Francisco 49ers 4.5 wins

Seattle Seahawks Over 8.5

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6.5 wins

Tennessee Titans 6.5 wins

Washington Redskins 7.5 wins

Lathum · 08-22-2005, 11:02 PM

So for example mine would be

Saints over 7.5
Bears under 6.5
Chiefs over 8.5
Chargers over 8

sabotai · 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM

Arizona under 7.5 wins
Tampa Bay over 6.5 wins
Houston over 7.5 wins
Jacksonville under 8.5 wins

JeeberD · 08-22-2005, 11:10 PM

Lions under 8.5
49ers under 4.5
Patriots over 10.5
Vikings over 9.5

cthomer5000 · 08-22-2005, 11:11 PM

The ones i immediately like are Patriots over and 49ers under (i see no reason they wont be HORRIBLE again).

stevew · 08-22-2005, 11:11 PM

I'd take the Over on the Browns, Niners, Patriots, and the Packers.

Its hard to go through a whole season and only win 4 games, even if the Browns and Niners both arent great, i think they can limp to 5 wins, just by dumb luck. The Browns lost 3 games last year by a FG, meaning they could have easily gone 7-9. I cant forsee the Pats only winning 10 games or less, they havent changed all that much from last year, I'd say they win 12 or 13 at least. The Packers might be on a down year, its just hard to think that Favre will only lead them to 7 victories this year, they have won 8 or more games a year from '92 on.
I'd also consider taking the Titans for under, since they gutted their team, it may be hard for them to get to 7 wins.

stevew · 08-22-2005, 11:15 PM

Nevermind, the Under on the Niners, only 2 games look like they reasonably have a shot at winning.

Fonzie · 08-22-2005, 11:18 PM

Patriots over 10.5
49ers under 4.5
Lions under 8.5
Packers over 7.5

vtbub · 08-22-2005, 11:31 PM

Philly under 11.5
Niners under 4.5
Patriots over 10.5
Bills over 8.5

Swaggs · 08-22-2005, 11:32 PM

Buffalo Bills under 8.5 wins -- Growing pains with an inexperienced QB and in a pretty tough division.
Detroit Lions under 8.5 wins -- I don't trust the Lions to win anywhere near this many games.
Oakland Raiders over 7.5 wins -- Should have a powerhouse offense and play in a relatively unimpressive division.
St. Louis Rams over 8.5 wins -- I think this is the season that Bulger stays healthy and has a big year.

Lathum · 08-22-2005, 11:34 PM

good stuff guys, keep it up!!

Lathum · 08-22-2005, 11:36 PM

BTW a $100 will pay roughly $1000

don't fuck it up

timmynausea · 08-23-2005, 12:09 AM

Rams over 8.5 - They supposedly play the easiest schedule in the league this year.
Arizona under 7.5 - When was the last time they won over 7.5?
49ers under 4.5 - Horrid.
Bears under 6.5 - No QB.

kingfc22 · 08-23-2005, 01:38 AM

Bears under
Bills under
Panthers over
Seahawks over

kingfc22 · 08-23-2005, 01:40 AM

Lathum - where are you placing your bet? Are you using an online site?

korme · 08-23-2005, 01:46 AM

BENGALS OVER - that's no homer bet, 7.5... wow their line should be 9.5
CHIEFS OVER
TITANS UNDER
COWBOYS UNDER

timmynausea · 08-23-2005, 01:46 AM

I think the Bengals will be over 7.5, but I also don't feel as confident in that as I do in a few others.

csridgway · 08-23-2005, 02:22 AM

San Diego over
Detroit under
Chicago under
New England over

Nwobhm · 08-23-2005, 03:18 AM

I took the raiders under 8 down in vegas last week myself, and am considering taking the 'skins under 7.5 as well.

rkmsuf · 08-23-2005, 08:42 AM

Redskins under
Oakland under
Pittsburgh over
Jacksonville under

Lathum · 08-23-2005, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Lathum - where are you placing your bet? Are you using an online site?

yeas, I use sportsinteraction, however, they don't have these lines posted yet. I got these lines from a vegas sportsbook site

PackerFanatic · 08-23-2005, 08:50 AM

Cincinnati Bengals OVER 7.5 wins
Green Bay Packers OVER 7.5 wins
Philadelphia Eagles UNDER 11.5 wins
San Diego Chargers OVER 8 wins

BrianD · 08-23-2005, 09:00 AM

Arizona under 7.5 wins
Green Bay over 7.5 wins
New England over 10.5 wins
San Fran under 4.5 wins

albionmoonlight · 08-23-2005, 09:02 AM

Atlanta Falcons UNDER 9.5 wins

Baltimore Ravens UNDER 9.5 wins

Philadelphia Eagles UNDER 11.5 wins

Pittsburgh Steelers OVER 9.5 wins

(I also see New Orleans Saints OVER 7.5 wins, but that is through the rose colored glasses of a fan, so not very reliable).

digamma · 08-23-2005, 09:08 AM

History says Falcons Under. They had a winning season last year and that's never happened twice in a row.

Huckleberry · 08-23-2005, 09:14 AM

Hmm. That adds up to 247.5 wins. That means the Giants and Dolphins have only 8.5 wins between them in this setup.

Mustang · 08-23-2005, 09:21 AM

Carolina OVER
Chicago UNDER
Minnesota OVER
Oakland OVER
Green Bay - PASS

As a Packer fan, I'd stay the hell away from that number. Too many injuries right now, unsettled O-line, No TE, bad secondary.. head says under 7.5 but, Favre has looked sharp so far and they haven't had less than 8 wins under Favre so.. history says over 7.5.. Favre goes out, this is a 3 or 4 win team...

Tigercat · 08-23-2005, 11:16 AM

Only a few unders really stick out to me.

Arizona UNDER (bad teams that are expected to be the cinderellas are the ones that fail to do so. This isn't a 8+ win team in terms of talent.)

Philly UNDER (11.5 is just way too high)

Jax UNDER (Offense has talent, but playcalling will be quite bad, and Taylor is a big ? )

Bills UNDER (That division with basically a rookie QB? no thanks. )

RPI-Fan · 08-23-2005, 11:54 AM

Houston Texans 7.5 wins - OVER
Oakland Raiders 7.5 wins - UNDER
San Diego Chargers 8 wins - OVER
Minnesota Vikings 9.5 wins - UNDER

Radii · 08-23-2005, 12:01 PM

Arizona UNDER
Houston OVER
Cinci OVER
Philly UNDER

I really want to go with Carolina OVER but its too much of a homer pick.

sabotai · 08-23-2005, 02:53 PM

I wouldn't touch the 4.5 bets. In this league, you can stumble over yourself and land 5 wins due to parity. 4.5 is too low for any team, even the 49ers.

I also wouldn't touch the San Diego bet since you're reduced to 7 and under and 9 and over. Neither an over or under wins if they get 8 wins which reduces your chances of winning with either bet.

Lathum · 08-23-2005, 07:00 PM

Thanks for all the input, keep it coming !!

so far there are 2 run away choices

SF -4.5
NE +10.5

bump for the night people.

Joe · 08-23-2005, 07:10 PM

after examining, my top play would be PITTSBURGH over 9.5. They went 15-1 with a rookie QB last year, who is sure to be even better this season. They also return many of the players on the #1 defense in the league.

Joe · 08-23-2005, 07:17 PM

I also like Carolina over 9.5, if they can stay healthy this season they are my pick (like most everyone else's) to take the NFC. Also, the Bucs are worth a look at over 6.5. A lot of close losses last season, and despite a 5-11 record, they were outscored only 304-301, with the #5 D.

Joe · 08-23-2005, 07:21 PM

one more thing-- Denver was the only team last season to finish top 5 in both offense and defense, so they're worth a look at 8.5. Although they play in one of the toughest divisions in the league.

robbgmaier · 08-25-2005, 12:01 PM

Green Bay 7.5 (OVER)
Oakland 7.5 (UNDER)
Pittsburgh 9.5 (OVER)
Chicago 6.5 (UNDER)

TroyF · 08-25-2005, 12:26 PM

Denver 8.5 - Over. They always win 9 or 10. I see no reason they won't do that again this year.

Rams 8.5 - Over. Tougher division this year, but they should be good for 9 wins.

Niners 4.5 - Under. If that O-Line doesn't improve, they'll be lucky to win 2.

Ravens 9.5 - Under. Risky pick as they have the leagues best overall D and some decent offensive talent. But I can't see Kyle Boller leading them to 10 wins. i think they'll have some injuries this year.

jetpunk2000 · 08-25-2005, 12:48 PM

Bengals OVER
Browns OVER
Indy UNDER
Steelers OVER

albionmoonlight · 08-25-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetpunk2000

Bengals OVER
Browns OVER
. . .
Steelers OVER

You must not think much of the Ravens

jetpunk2000 · 08-25-2005, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

You must not think much of the Ravens

Hehe...not true. But I think the #'s are low for all 3 of those teams. It'd not inconceivable for that division to look something like this:

Pitt 11-5
Balt 10-6
Cincy 9-7
Clev 6-10

The Browns have a tough sched, but I think Romeo will have a big influence. Call it a hunch.

Raven · 08-25-2005, 01:04 PM

Philly UNDER 11.5 (nO way do I see them winning 12+ games with that offense)
Bengals OVER 7.5 (A .500 finish should be no problem for them this year. )
Indianapolis UNDER 11.5 (I could see them winning 10 or 11, not 12 though)
Titans UNDER 6.5 (5 or 6 wins is perfect for them)

sabotai · 08-25-2005, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W Bush

Also, the Bucs are worth a look at over 6.5. A lot of close losses last season, and despite a 5-11 record, they were outscored only 304-301, with the #5 D.

I think TB over 6.5 is the safest pick of all of these. It would take total collapse of the team for them not to win at least 7 this year. Most of their loses were close games and they did beat Atlanta and KC last year, so you know they can hang with some of the better teams in the league.

Blackadar · 08-25-2005, 02:56 PM

Here are my locks.

Steelers OVER 9.5 (think they'll go from 15 wins to under 10?)
Bills UNDER 8.5 (tough division - NE, NYJ, better Miami team and a new QB)
Green Bay OVER 7.5 (Farve with a losing record?)

The 4th one is a bit tougher.

I like Cincy to be OVER 7.5 wins
I like Tampa to be OVER 6.5 wins
I like Carolina to be OVER 9.5 wins
I like Jacksonville to be UNDER 8.5 wins
I like Atlanta to be UNDER 9.5 wins

but I'd have to go with...

Philly UNDER 11.5 wins (don't think their Offense is good enough for 12 wins).

rkmsuf · 08-25-2005, 02:58 PM

I can't fathom the Bills going 9-7.

jetpunk2000 · 08-25-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I can't fathom the Bills going 9-7.

Well, they did last year. It all depends on Losman. The D is going to be top 5. I would love it if they didn't come close to 9-7, but I wouldn't be shocked if they finished with 9 or above.

saldana · 08-25-2005, 06:07 PM

i will go with:
bears under
browns under
niners under (as i run a samuri sword through myself)
packers over

and tails will be the coin toss on opening night...not like you would ever bet on the coin toss or anything like that....or wnba basketball games(and then watch said game on the Oxygen network)

Coffee Warlord · 08-25-2005, 06:11 PM

San Diego OVER
Philly UNDER
Vikings UNDER
Cinci OVER

digamma · 12-27-2005, 10:40 AM

Interesting bump.

Nice work albion and Coffee.

TroyF · 12-27-2005, 11:07 AM

I got three of the four right. Damned Rams.

JeeberD · 12-27-2005, 11:13 AM

Two of mine are locks and I just need the Pats to win to make it three out of four. Stinkin' Vikes screwed me though...

08-22-2005, 11:10 PM	#4
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08-22-2005, 11:31 PM	#9
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08-22-2005, 11:32 PM	#10
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Almost Heaven	Buffalo Bills under 8.5 wins -- Growing pains with an inexperienced QB and in a pretty tough division. Detroit Lions under 8.5 wins -- I don't trust the Lions to win anywhere near this many games. Oakland Raiders over 7.5 wins -- Should have a powerhouse offense and play in a relatively unimpressive division. St. Louis Rams over 8.5 wins -- I think this is the season that Bulger stays healthy and has a big year. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-23-2005, 01:38 AM	#14
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08-23-2005, 01:40 AM	#15
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08-22-2005, 11:02 PM	#2
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Madeira, Oh	So for example mine would be Saints over 7.5 Bears under 6.5 Chiefs over 8.5 Chargers over 8

08-22-2005, 11:09 PM	#3
sabotai Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Arizona under 7.5 wins Tampa Bay over 6.5 wins Houston over 7.5 wins Jacksonville under 8.5 wins

08-22-2005, 11:11 PM	#6
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd take the Over on the Browns, Niners, Patriots, and the Packers. Its hard to go through a whole season and only win 4 games, even if the Browns and Niners both arent great, i think they can limp to 5 wins, just by dumb luck. The Browns lost 3 games last year by a FG, meaning they could have easily gone 7-9. I cant forsee the Pats only winning 10 games or less, they havent changed all that much from last year, I'd say they win 12 or 13 at least. The Packers might be on a down year, its just hard to think that Favre will only lead them to 7 victories this year, they have won 8 or more games a year from '92 on. I'd also consider taking the Titans for under, since they gutted their team, it may be hard for them to get to 7 wins.

08-22-2005, 11:15 PM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Nevermind, the Under on the Niners, only 2 games look like they reasonably have a shot at winning.

08-22-2005, 11:18 PM	#8
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Patriots over 10.5 49ers under 4.5 Lions under 8.5 Packers over 7.5

08-22-2005, 11:34 PM	#11
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Madeira, Oh	good stuff guys, keep it up!!

08-22-2005, 11:36 PM	#12
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Madeira, Oh	BTW a $100 will pay roughly $1000 don't fuck it up

08-23-2005, 12:09 AM	#13
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	Rams over 8.5 - They supposedly play the easiest schedule in the league this year. Arizona under 7.5 - When was the last time they won over 7.5? 49ers under 4.5 - Horrid. Bears under 6.5 - No QB.

08-23-2005, 01:46 AM	#16
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Dayton, OH	BENGALS OVER - that's no homer bet, 7.5... wow their line should be 9.5 CHIEFS OVER TITANS UNDER COWBOYS UNDER __________________ CINCINNATIBENGALSCINCINNATIREDSCINCINNATIBEARCATS "A common error: to have the strength of one's convictions. Rather, one should have the strength for an attack on their convictions." -Nietzsche Facebook ● Twitter

08-23-2005, 02:22 AM	#18
csridgway n00b Join Date: Aug 2005	San Diego over Detroit under Chicago under New England over

08-23-2005, 03:18 AM	#19
Nwobhm Mascot Join Date: Sep 2002	I took the raiders under 8 down in vegas last week myself, and am considering taking the 'skins under 7.5 as well.

08-23-2005, 08:42 AM	#20
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Redskins under Oakland under Pittsburgh over Jacksonville under __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-23-2005, 08:50 AM	#22
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08-23-2005, 09:00 AM	#23
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Arizona under 7.5 wins Green Bay over 7.5 wins New England over 10.5 wins San Fran under 4.5 wins

08-23-2005, 09:02 AM	#24
albionmoonlight Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Atlanta Falcons UNDER 9.5 wins Baltimore Ravens UNDER 9.5 wins Philadelphia Eagles UNDER 11.5 wins Pittsburgh Steelers OVER 9.5 wins (I also see New Orleans Saints OVER 7.5 wins, but that is through the rose colored glasses of a fan, so not very reliable).

08-23-2005, 09:08 AM	#25
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Along the Los Angeles River	History says Falcons Under. They had a winning season last year and that's never happened twice in a row.

08-23-2005, 09:14 AM	#26
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08-23-2005, 09:21 AM	#27
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08-23-2005, 11:16 AM	#28
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Only a few unders really stick out to me. Arizona UNDER (bad teams that are expected to be the cinderellas are the ones that fail to do so. This isn't a 8+ win team in terms of talent.) Philly UNDER (11.5 is just way too high) Jax UNDER (Offense has talent, but playcalling will be quite bad, and Taylor is a big ? ) Bills UNDER (That division with basically a rookie QB? no thanks. )

08-23-2005, 11:54 AM	#29
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08-23-2005, 12:01 PM	#30
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08-23-2005, 02:53 PM	#31
sabotai Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I wouldn't touch the 4.5 bets. In this league, you can stumble over yourself and land 5 wins due to parity. 4.5 is too low for any team, even the 49ers. I also wouldn't touch the San Diego bet since you're reduced to 7 and under and 9 and over. Neither an over or under wins if they get 8 wins which reduces your chances of winning with either bet.

08-23-2005, 07:00 PM	#32
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Madeira, Oh	Thanks for all the input, keep it coming !! so far there are 2 run away choices SF -4.5 NE +10.5 bump for the night people.

08-23-2005, 07:10 PM	#33
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	after examining, my top play would be PITTSBURGH over 9.5. They went 15-1 with a rookie QB last year, who is sure to be even better this season. They also return many of the players on the #1 defense in the league.

08-23-2005, 07:17 PM	#34
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I also like Carolina over 9.5, if they can stay healthy this season they are my pick (like most everyone else's) to take the NFC. Also, the Bucs are worth a look at over 6.5. A lot of close losses last season, and despite a 5-11 record, they were outscored only 304-301, with the #5 D.

08-23-2005, 07:21 PM	#35
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	one more thing-- Denver was the only team last season to finish top 5 in both offense and defense, so they're worth a look at 8.5. Although they play in one of the toughest divisions in the league.

08-25-2005, 12:01 PM	#36
robbgmaier College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	Green Bay 7.5 (OVER) Oakland 7.5 (UNDER) Pittsburgh 9.5 (OVER) Chicago 6.5 (UNDER)

08-25-2005, 12:26 PM	#37
TroyF Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000	Denver 8.5 - Over. They always win 9 or 10. I see no reason they won't do that again this year. Rams 8.5 - Over. Tougher division this year, but they should be good for 9 wins. Niners 4.5 - Under. If that O-Line doesn't improve, they'll be lucky to win 2. Ravens 9.5 - Under. Risky pick as they have the leagues best overall D and some decent offensive talent. But I can't see Kyle Boller leading them to 10 wins. i think they'll have some injuries this year. __________________ TAF1972 on XBOX LIVE http://pro-football-blog.com/

08-25-2005, 12:48 PM	#38
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08-25-2005, 01:04 PM	#41
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