Mets - Reds

MizzouRah · 04-04-2005, 01:57 PM

Watching bits and pieces of this game. Is Carlos Beltran one of the greatest hitters in baseball right now or what? Jeez... 2nd at bat of the season, 3 run bomb, Hello!

Todd

Balldog · 04-04-2005, 02:00 PM

GABP is a hitter's ballpark.

JeeberD · 04-04-2005, 02:03 PM

Beltran is nothing compared to Dimitri Young...

Ksyrup · 04-04-2005, 02:05 PM

That's right - Beltran's half the HR hitter Young is.

Well, certainly Young's twice the eater Beltran is.

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Beltran is nothing compared to Dimitri Young...

Adam Dunn, too

MizzouRah · 04-04-2005, 02:16 PM

I miss ol Dimitri.

I'll take him in LF and Detroit can have Reggie Sanders.

Todd

Poli · 04-04-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Watching bits and pieces of this game. Is Carlos Beltran one of the greatest hitters in baseball right now or what? Jeez... 2nd at bat of the season, 3 run bomb, Hello!

Todd

Cardinals, fool. Cardinals. You are a Cardinals fan.

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 02:34 PM

Wow... Pedro struck out 8 out of 9 batters since letting up a 3 run HR to Dunn in the 1st inning (showing both sides, I guess).

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 02:36 PM

Make that 11 out of 12 since the Dunn HR

Jets80 · 04-04-2005, 02:37 PM

Beltran homer was a 2-run homer, Kaz hit a solo homer for the other run.

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Watching bits and pieces of this game. Is Carlos Beltran one of the greatest hitters in baseball right now or what? Jeez... 2nd at bat of the season, 3 run bomb, Hello!

Todd

ice4277 · 04-04-2005, 02:41 PM

Dmitri Young=Greatest Player in Baseball History

st.cronin · 04-04-2005, 02:43 PM

Dmitri Young is on a 400+ homer pace.

JeeberD · 04-04-2005, 02:43 PM

Yup. Make that three times the player that Beltran is...

TLK · 04-04-2005, 02:49 PM

I'd think Dimitri Young has to be the front-runner for AL MYP....

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 03:11 PM

Wow... Cliff Floyd is actually healthy... and whatdayaknow, he hits a HR.

RendeR · 04-04-2005, 03:14 PM

Fucking Reds Pitching staff......

Scoobz0202 · 04-04-2005, 03:18 PM

Oh but Eric Milton is our savior... it's all good.

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 03:24 PM

Don't worry, the Mets bullpen is up. They'll give you the lead back

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Fucking Reds Pitching staff......

Oh how shit just never changes..

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Don't worry, the Mets bullpen is up. They'll give you the lead back

Told you... well tie game, not the lead... yet.

SunDevil · 04-04-2005, 03:51 PM

Someone said something about the Mets bullpen?

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Adam Dunn, too

this actually makes sense now, as he hits his 2nd HR of the night to tie it in the bottom of the 9th!

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 03:53 PM

Well Looper just lost the game for the Mets.

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 03:53 PM

BALLGAME!

JOE F'N RANDA!

REDS 1-0!!

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 03:53 PM

DUNN!!!

SunDevil · 04-04-2005, 03:54 PM

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 03:54 PM

What is this a World Series Game for the Reds? Breaking out the big fonts and everything?

SunDevil · 04-04-2005, 03:55 PM

Hey, its the new season, people have to make sure the big fonts still work.

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 03:55 PM

YES!!!

TazFTW · 04-04-2005, 03:55 PM

Gotta love the Mets.

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 03:55 PM

VPI, you live in ATL, did you get a chance to watch the game or just via ESPN Gamcast or something?

RendeR · 04-04-2005, 03:56 PM

REDS WIN REDS WIN REDS WIN!!!!!!!

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 03:57 PM

Just like every other opening day, I took the afternoon off to watch the Reds...but this time, I spent half the game on the phone with my brother who had seats in right field. Best opening day ever.

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 03:59 PM

so how did you watch, is what i'm saying. surely they don't show mets/reds on foxsports net in atlanta, do they?

i agree - great opening day

SunDevil · 04-04-2005, 03:59 PM

It was on ESPN

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by paperstreetsoap

so how did you watch, is what i'm saying. surely they don't show mets/reds on foxsports net in atlanta, do they?

i agree - great opening day

ESPN

damnMikeBrown · 04-04-2005, 04:05 PM

Geez, I leave at the turn in the 9th to have a poop...and my GF starts screaming "Reds WIN, REDS WIN"...buh...damn me and my ill timed poopies!

paperstreetsoap · 04-04-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDevil

It was on ESPN

huh, just figured it'd be on the local sports networfk, didn't even check the big timer for a measely reds game.

TargetPractice6 · 04-04-2005, 04:17 PM

Yay go Reds! Maybe if they get on a roll this season they won't start sucking at the All Star break.

VPI97 · 04-04-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paperstreetsoap

huh, just figured it'd be on the local sports networfk, didn't even check the big timer for a measely reds game.

For at least the past 10 years, Reds opening day games have been broadcast on ESPN. I'm guessing it's a way of apologizing for taking away our traditional 'first game of the season' designation.

MizzouRah · 04-04-2005, 08:44 PM

Ok Jeebs, the Stros are going down tomorrow!!

Todd

weinstein7 · 04-04-2005, 08:59 PM

I saw this one in a bar (fuck you Cablevision) from beginning to end. I have to say that despite the 12 Ks, I was not particularly impressed with Pedro. He had great control and great movement, but his velocity seemed low, and, well, most of the Reds' hitters looked undisciplined. I'm not sure if it was Pedro making them look this way, or they're just not that good, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Also, it's the first game of the year, and I suspect when the hitters heat up, they'll be teeing off on some of those pitchers. I'd like to see him be a little less cute and come after guys a bit more, since that pitch count was out of control.

As for Beltran, a very mixed game. A homer and 3 RBIs, but he also got picked off which cost the team a run and dropped a fly ball which cost another one.

Reyes turned a routine single into a double, which was very good to see. Manny Aybar looked like garbage, but the Korean guy who worked the 8th looked pretty good. Looper obviously did not, but I'm not TOO worried about him.

Adam Dunn is just such a presence in the batter's box. He's one of those guys that you can take one look at and you know you just don't want anything to do with him. The pitch he hit out in the first was not only a bad pitch, but a bad decision by Pedro to go after him with an empty base.

JeeberD · 04-04-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Ok Jeebs, the Stros are going down tomorrow!!

Todd

I can't wait to see Oswalt shut y'all down!

Crim · 04-04-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by weinstein7

I have to say that despite the 12 Ks, I was not particularly impressed with Pedro.

Idunno, I didn't watch the game, but I must say I found this hysterical.

Crim

TroyF · 04-04-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Wow... Cliff Floyd is actually healthy... and whatdayaknow, he hits a HR.

I looked at the box score and thought it was a misprint.

Both Ken Griffey Jr. and Cliff Floyd were healthy on the same day on the same field? I'm in shock.

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crim

Idunno, I didn't watch the game, but I must say I found this hysterical.

I saw the game and I thought it hysterical. It may be that Reds hitters suck, but Pedro looked DOMINENT after the 1st inning. I was really impressed with him from the 1st inning on to when he was pulled. The bullpen, on the other hand...

weinstein7 · 04-04-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I saw the game and I thought it hysterical. It may be that Reds hitters suck, but Pedro looked DOMINENT after the 1st inning. I was really impressed with him from the 1st inning on to when he was pulled. The bullpen, on the other hand...

I had a feeling not too many people would agree with me on this one. I really just felt that it was more a matter of undisciplined and confused batters than great pitching. The only really "dominant" K, to me, was the one of Randa after Dunn's first homer. The rest of the time he looked like John Franco to me...great control and movement, so that young undisciplined hitters have no chance, but I just don't think that kind of stuff will work against the Braves or other teams with quality hitters.

The bigger problem though, is that I think we'd both agree that Pedro won't be much better than he was today, and that was still only good enough for six innings, which just isn't acceptable from a staff "ace," especially when you have no bullpen and your other starters are dropping like flies.

ISiddiqui · 04-04-2005, 10:27 PM

Perhaps the Reds were undisciplined hitters, but they were made to look very foolish. I think that teams with better hitters, like St. Louis and Philadelphia won't have that much more success against Pedro.

And I think the 6 innings was only an Opening Day limit. They didn't want him going too far this early in the season. I don't think that will continue to be the case. I think he could have easily gone another inning the way he was pitching and maybe two.

weinstein7 · 04-04-2005, 10:28 PM

I thought he looked like he was starting to tire in the 6th. But I'm probably looking at everything regarding him through a very negative lens because I thought it was a stupid signing from the beginning.

Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

McSweeny · 04-04-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by weinstein7

I had a feeling not too many people would agree with me on this one. I really just felt that it was more a matter of undisciplined and confused batters than great pitching. The only really "dominant" K, to me, was the one of Randa after Dunn's first homer. The rest of the time he looked like John Franco to me...great control and movement, so that young undisciplined hitters have no chance, but I just don't think that kind of stuff will work against the Braves or other teams with quality hitters.

The bigger problem though, is that I think we'd both agree that Pedro won't be much better than he was today, and that was still only good enough for six innings, which just isn't acceptable from a staff "ace," especially when you have no bullpen and your other starters are dropping like flies.

i watched every Pedro start for the last 7 years, and i can say that it was him making the Reds look foolish. That's why he is so damn good. He'll give you 110-120 pitches everytime out and 9 times out of 10 he'll put you in a position to win the game. His changeup was outstanding today. That's his pitch. Sure, he'll get shelled once in awhile, but don't forget this is not the inhuman Pedro of the 285 ERA+. I'd imagine he'll contend for the Cy Young if that horrible bullpen doesn't blow everyone of his games.

And contrary to what the media says, he has far more trouble with his first 15-20 pitches than he does when he hits the magical 105 pitch count.

And you should enjoy the days when Pedro makes the other team look foolish. When he's on, he is simply amazing to watch.

04-04-2005, 02:03 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Beltran is nothing compared to Dimitri Young... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-04-2005, 02:05 PM	#4
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That's right - Beltran's half the HR hitter Young is. Well, certainly Young's twice the eater Beltran is. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2005, 02:34 PM	#8
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow... Pedro struck out 8 out of 9 batters since letting up a 3 run HR to Dunn in the 1st inning (showing both sides, I guess). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 02:36 PM	#9
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Make that 11 out of 12 since the Dunn HR __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#13
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Yup. Make that three times the player that Beltran is... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

04-04-2005, 02:00 PM	#2
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	GABP is a hitter's ballpark.

04-04-2005, 02:16 PM	#6
MizzouRah General Manager Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I miss ol Dimitri. I'll take him in LF and Detroit can have Reggie Sanders. Todd

04-04-2005, 02:41 PM	#11
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Dmitri Young=Greatest Player in Baseball History

04-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#12
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Dmitri Young is on a 400+ homer pace.

04-04-2005, 02:49 PM	#14
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	I'd think Dimitri Young has to be the front-runner for AL MYP....

04-04-2005, 03:11 PM	#15
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow... Cliff Floyd is actually healthy... and whatdayaknow, he hits a HR. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 03:14 PM	#16
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Fucking Reds Pitching staff...... __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

04-04-2005, 03:18 PM	#17
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Oh but Eric Milton is our savior... it's all good.

04-04-2005, 03:24 PM	#18
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Don't worry, the Mets bullpen is up. They'll give you the lead back __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 03:51 PM	#21
SunDevil College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tempe, AZ	Someone said something about the Mets bullpen?

04-04-2005, 03:53 PM	#23
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well Looper just lost the game for the Mets. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 03:53 PM	#24
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VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Powder Springs, GA	DUNN!!! __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

04-04-2005, 03:54 PM	#26
SunDevil College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tempe, AZ	ouch

04-04-2005, 03:55 PM	#28
SunDevil College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tempe, AZ	Hey, its the new season, people have to make sure the big fonts still work.

04-04-2005, 03:55 PM	#29
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Powder Springs, GA	YES!!! __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

04-04-2005, 03:55 PM	#30
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Gotta love the Mets.

04-04-2005, 03:56 PM	#32
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04-04-2005, 03:57 PM	#33
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Powder Springs, GA	Just like every other opening day, I took the afternoon off to watch the Reds...but this time, I spent half the game on the phone with my brother who had seats in right field. Best opening day ever. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

04-04-2005, 03:59 PM	#34
paperstreetsoap Mascot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DYT	so how did you watch, is what i'm saying. surely they don't show mets/reds on foxsports net in atlanta, do they? i agree - great opening day __________________ You wake up at Seatac, SFO, LAX. You wake up at O'Hare, Dallas-Fort Worth, BWI. Pacific, mountain, central. Lose an hour, gain an hour. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You wake up at Air Harbor International. If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person?

04-04-2005, 04:05 PM	#37
damnMikeBrown College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati, OH	Geez, I leave at the turn in the 9th to have a poop...and my GF starts screaming "Reds WIN, REDS WIN"...buh...damn me and my ill timed poopies!

04-04-2005, 04:17 PM	#39
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Yay go Reds! Maybe if they get on a roll this season they won't start sucking at the All Star break.

04-04-2005, 08:44 PM	#41
MizzouRah General Manager Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Ok Jeebs, the Stros are going down tomorrow!! Todd

04-04-2005, 08:59 PM	#42
weinstein7 High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rochester, NY	I saw this one in a bar (fuck you Cablevision) from beginning to end. I have to say that despite the 12 Ks, I was not particularly impressed with Pedro. He had great control and great movement, but his velocity seemed low, and, well, most of the Reds' hitters looked undisciplined. I'm not sure if it was Pedro making them look this way, or they're just not that good, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Also, it's the first game of the year, and I suspect when the hitters heat up, they'll be teeing off on some of those pitchers. I'd like to see him be a little less cute and come after guys a bit more, since that pitch count was out of control. As for Beltran, a very mixed game. A homer and 3 RBIs, but he also got picked off which cost the team a run and dropped a fly ball which cost another one. Reyes turned a routine single into a double, which was very good to see. Manny Aybar looked like garbage, but the Korean guy who worked the 8th looked pretty good. Looper obviously did not, but I'm not TOO worried about him. Adam Dunn is just such a presence in the batter's box. He's one of those guys that you can take one look at and you know you just don't want anything to do with him. The pitch he hit out in the first was not only a bad pitch, but a bad decision by Pedro to go after him with an empty base.

04-04-2005, 10:27 PM	#48
ISiddiqui Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Perhaps the Reds were undisciplined hitters, but they were made to look very foolish. I think that teams with better hitters, like St. Louis and Philadelphia won't have that much more success against Pedro. And I think the 6 innings was only an Opening Day limit. They didn't want him going too far this early in the season. I don't think that will continue to be the case. I think he could have easily gone another inning the way he was pitching and maybe two. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-04-2005, 10:28 PM	#49
weinstein7 High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rochester, NY	I thought he looked like he was starting to tire in the 6th. But I'm probably looking at everything regarding him through a very negative lens because I thought it was a stupid signing from the beginning. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

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