In need of a penalty expert

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 02-12-2004, 09:02 PM

Could someone verify whether this penalty played out right in FOF2K4?

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3-02-FAR06 (06:34) DEN 39 Portis ran inside the right guard for 3 yards.
Tackled by FAR 43 Parrish, assisted by FAR 33 Marion.
Key block delivered by DEN 72 Farrell.
Penalty: DEN - Tripping.

1-03-FAR13 (06:24) DEN 39 Portis ran outside the right tackle for -1 yards.
Tackled by FAR 57 Seau, assisted by FAR 77 Ahanotu.
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Thanks,
Jeff

Chief Rum · 02-12-2004, 09:07 PM

Looks like a ten yard penalty after the play. I don't know, is tripping a post-play play?

CR

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 02-12-2004, 09:10 PM

Exactly. It's my guess that it would not be a post-play penalty as it could have played a large role in Portis gaining the three yards.

dacman · 02-12-2004, 09:26 PM

AFAIK, the penalty is applied correctly, the down is correct, the distance is not -- it should be 1st and goal (or 1st and 13).

AgustusM · 02-12-2004, 09:45 PM

If it were post-play it would be a personal foul - not tripping.

cthomer5000 · 02-12-2004, 10:21 PM

Is it a downfield penalty? It's possible it occured precisely where Portis was stopped. Maybe it was then a 10 yard penalty, but only from the spot of the foul?

I know when there is holding downfield, the play stands, but there is a penalty from where the foul occured.

cthomer5000 · 02-12-2004, 10:30 PM

I'm thinking it should be 3rd and 9 from the 13.

Mike D · 02-12-2004, 10:53 PM

Had to go to the NFL Rulebook for guidance....it's not a fun read.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 4 - When the spot of enforcement (of a penalty) is not governed by a genral or specific rule, it is the spot of the foul.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 (b) The basic spots of enforcement are the dead ball spot on a running play.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 Note: If the offense fouls behind the basic spot, enforcement is from the spot of the foul.

Also

Rule 14 Section 8 Article 4 - After a distance penalty for a foul by the offensive team during a play from scrimmage which results in the ball being in advance of the necessary line, it is a first and 10 for teh offensive team

SO....

3rd and 2, Denver gets 3 yards to the FAR 6 yard line...1st down and Goal. Tripping, at the dead ball spot, loss of 10 yards. It should be 1st down and Goal at the FAR 13 yard line.

Flasch186 · 02-12-2004, 11:08 PM

holy crap, so the game got it right? If so, damn Jim is good.

sabotai · 02-12-2004, 11:10 PM

No, the game got (part of it) wrong. The game says 1st and 3 after the penalty, it should be 1st and 13. Well, I would say Jim got it right, but his code did not.

(ie, bug)

Poli · 02-12-2004, 11:13 PM

I was trying to look it up. All I saw wrong was the 1st and goal issue as well.

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 02-12-2004, 11:14 PM

Thanks for all your replies. And kudos to you Dutch, I was way too scared to dig inside the official rulebook.

02-12-2004, 09:07 PM	#2
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Looks like a ten yard penalty after the play. I don't know, is tripping a post-play play? CR __________________ . . On this subject I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire, to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest--I will not equivocate--I will not excuse--I will not retreat a single inch-- AND I WILL BE HEARD!!!

02-12-2004, 09:26 PM	#4
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	AFAIK, the penalty is applied correctly, the down is correct, the distance is not -- it should be 1st and goal (or 1st and 13). __________________ No signatures allowed.

02-12-2004, 11:08 PM	#9
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	holy crap, so the game got it right? If so, damn Jim is good. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

02-12-2004, 11:10 PM	#10
sabotai Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	No, the game got (part of it) wrong. The game says 1st and 3 after the penalty, it should be 1st and 13. Well, I would say Jim got it right, but his code did not. (ie, bug) Last edited by sabotai : 02-12-2004 at 11:10 PM.

02-12-2004, 11:13 PM	#11
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002	I was trying to look it up. All I saw wrong was the 1st and goal issue as well. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-12-2004, 09:10 PM	#3
FargoFreez aka fof playa Banned Join Date: Dec 2003	Exactly. It's my guess that it would not be a post-play penalty as it could have played a large role in Portis gaining the three yards.

02-12-2004, 09:45 PM	#5
AgustusM College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003	If it were post-play it would be a personal foul - not tripping.

02-12-2004, 10:53 PM	#8
Mike D "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Had to go to the NFL Rulebook for guidance....it's not a fun read. Rule 14 Section 1 Article 4 - When the spot of enforcement (of a penalty) is not governed by a genral or specific rule, it is the spot of the foul. Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 (b) The basic spots of enforcement are the dead ball spot on a running play. Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 Note: If the offense fouls behind the basic spot, enforcement is from the spot of the foul. Also Rule 14 Section 8 Article 4 - After a distance penalty for a foul by the offensive team during a play from scrimmage which results in the ball being in advance of the necessary line, it is a first and 10 for teh offensive team SO.... 3rd and 2, Denver gets 3 yards to the FAR 6 yard line...1st down and Goal. Tripping, at the dead ball spot, loss of 10 yards. It should be 1st down and Goal at the FAR 13 yard line.

02-12-2004, 11:14 PM	#12
FargoFreez aka fof playa Banned Join Date: Dec 2003	Thanks for all your replies. And kudos to you Dutch, I was way too scared to dig inside the official rulebook.

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