Skippy's in the penalty box again?

Chief Rum · 11-30-2003, 05:47 PM

Just curious...what did he do this time? Surprised I missed it.

CR

The_herd · 11-30-2003, 05:48 PM

Check the banned on thanksgiving day thread.

Link here:

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...ghlight=banned

Ragone · 11-30-2003, 06:19 PM

hmm, don't see how that could be why he was banned.. unless he was the one spoofing the ip

Ben E Lou · 11-30-2003, 06:25 PM

No. That had nothing to do with mrskippy's suspension.

The_herd · 11-30-2003, 06:25 PM

I appoligize, that didn't explain it well.

In the HTML thread and the bugs in 5.0a threads skippy had some moments of trolling and was right in the middle of the controversy SD had warned him to stay away from.

HTML Drama:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...threadid=17602

A moment of trolling:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...threadid=17344

The_herd · 11-30-2003, 06:28 PM

Dola

Although my personal opinions mean nothing in this matter, I believe it was justified. This isn't something you can look at in these 2 threads. What it comes down to was what SD had warned him before coming back and his past history.

Chief Rum · 11-30-2003, 06:48 PM

That's tough to say. I am certain SkyDog warned him and he was completely justified for violations of said warnings.

But I look at that as a stand alone, and it just isn't enough. Is skippy really to stay away from all controversial topics? What's the fun here of you can't give your opinion. I think we have crossed the line from stopping true trolling and people beinf assholes into stopping someone from simply sharing his opinion, be it overzealius or not.

For instance, I read that entire HTML thread when it happened and while skippy vigorously stood up for his stance, I didn't find a single instance where he insulted anybody or acted liek a total ass. I thought he kept himself in pretty good control, especially compared to the way he has done things int he past. To me, warning him about his behavior in that thread is akin to telling a man to shut up about his opinion. Just my observation, but that's what I saw.

And as for the straw on the camel's back trolling in ramzavil's thread, I mean, that was about as ticky-tack as I have seen in this forum. I have made hunfdreds of tongue-in-cheek comments like that that, outside of limited humor, presented nothing to the discussion at hand whatsoever.

I understand that there is a history here. As being someone who has been subjected to skippy's attacks in the past, I am particularly sensitive to this guy's actions. But I also believe thast once you have "paid you debt to society", that you should get some leeway back (not as much as before, but some). Forgive me for saying so, SkyDog, but I fear you have erred on the side of too little leeway.

Even given his past justifications, I don't think these violations equal the punishment he is receiving.

CR

kcchief19 · 11-30-2003, 07:16 PM

I compare this to the three-strikes-and-you're-out law, except in this case it was more like 20 strikes. Nonetheless, based on his past behavior he returned from his multiple bannings with a zero-tolerance policy. It might have been a small transgression on his part, but it was over the line nonetheless. He did the crime, gotta do the time.

And it wasn't like he was baited in any of these circumstances. He purposely posted to try and rile somebody. I might side with leniency if somebody provoked him, but he went out of his way to try and start trouble.

Bad-example · 11-30-2003, 07:17 PM

Sorry Chief, but I think you are completely wrong on this one.

Now I have always enjoyed slamming the Kipper...well, because he has earned everything that comes his way. The guy seems pretty clueless and it is pretty clear he can't keep himself under control. I was surprised he was allowed to return the last time. If allowed back again it is just a matter of time before he merits yet another smack by SD.

Maybe a perma ban would be in everyone's best interest...for the good of our community and to allow Kippy to perhaps find a more healthy outlet for his outrageous behavior.

korme · 11-30-2003, 07:27 PM

well said Chief

Schmidty · 11-30-2003, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
well said Chief

That's my Shorty. Always rooting for the wrong team.

Ben E Lou · 11-30-2003, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
well said Chief

Nah. He's wrong. End of this discussion.

11-30-2003, 05:48 PM	#2
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	Check the banned on thanksgiving day thread. Link here: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...ghlight=banned __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs Last edited by The_herd : 11-30-2003 at 05:49 PM.

11-30-2003, 06:25 PM	#4
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Souf Cackalacky	No. That had nothing to do with mrskippy's suspension. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

11-30-2003, 06:25 PM	#5
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	I appoligize, that didn't explain it well. In the HTML thread and the bugs in 5.0a threads skippy had some moments of trolling and was right in the middle of the controversy SD had warned him to stay away from. HTML Drama: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...threadid=17602 A moment of trolling: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...threadid=17344 __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs Last edited by The_herd : 11-30-2003 at 06:26 PM.

11-30-2003, 06:28 PM	#6
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	Dola Although my personal opinions mean nothing in this matter, I believe it was justified. This isn't something you can look at in these 2 threads. What it comes down to was what SD had warned him before coming back and his past history. __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs

11-30-2003, 06:48 PM	#7
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	That's tough to say. I am certain SkyDog warned him and he was completely justified for violations of said warnings. But I look at that as a stand alone, and it just isn't enough. Is skippy really to stay away from all controversial topics? What's the fun here of you can't give your opinion. I think we have crossed the line from stopping true trolling and people beinf assholes into stopping someone from simply sharing his opinion, be it overzealius or not. For instance, I read that entire HTML thread when it happened and while skippy vigorously stood up for his stance, I didn't find a single instance where he insulted anybody or acted liek a total ass. I thought he kept himself in pretty good control, especially compared to the way he has done things int he past. To me, warning him about his behavior in that thread is akin to telling a man to shut up about his opinion. Just my observation, but that's what I saw. And as for the straw on the camel's back trolling in ramzavil's thread, I mean, that was about as ticky-tack as I have seen in this forum. I have made hunfdreds of tongue-in-cheek comments like that that, outside of limited humor, presented nothing to the discussion at hand whatsoever. I understand that there is a history here. As being someone who has been subjected to skippy's attacks in the past, I am particularly sensitive to this guy's actions. But I also believe thast once you have "paid you debt to society", that you should get some leeway back (not as much as before, but some). Forgive me for saying so, SkyDog, but I fear you have erred on the side of too little leeway. Even given his past justifications, I don't think these violations equal the punishment he is receiving. CR __________________ . . On this subject I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire, to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest--I will not equivocate--I will not excuse--I will not retreat a single inch-- AND I WILL BE HEARD!!!

11-30-2003, 06:19 PM	#3
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	hmm, don't see how that could be why he was banned.. unless he was the one spoofing the ip

11-30-2003, 07:16 PM	#8
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I compare this to the three-strikes-and-you're-out law, except in this case it was more like 20 strikes. Nonetheless, based on his past behavior he returned from his multiple bannings with a zero-tolerance policy. It might have been a small transgression on his part, but it was over the line nonetheless. He did the crime, gotta do the time. And it wasn't like he was baited in any of these circumstances. He purposely posted to try and rile somebody. I might side with leniency if somebody provoked him, but he went out of his way to try and start trouble. Last edited by kcchief19 : 11-30-2003 at 07:23 PM.

11-30-2003, 07:17 PM	#9
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	Sorry Chief, but I think you are completely wrong on this one. Now I have always enjoyed slamming the Kipper...well, because he has earned everything that comes his way. The guy seems pretty clueless and it is pretty clear he can't keep himself under control. I was surprised he was allowed to return the last time. If allowed back again it is just a matter of time before he merits yet another smack by SD. Maybe a perma ban would be in everyone's best interest...for the good of our community and to allow Kippy to perhaps find a more healthy outlet for his outrageous behavior. __________________ Karaoke Katie drove the crowd wild Every time she'd sing they'd come in for miles Curtain came up, Katie came on Drinking like a lumberjack and singing Delta Dawn

11-30-2003, 07:27 PM	#10
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Dayton, OH	well said Chief __________________ CINCINNATIBENGALSCINCINNATIREDSCINCINNATIBEARCATS "A common error: to have the strength of one's convictions. Rather, one should have the strength for an attack on their convictions." -Nietzsche Facebook ● Twitter

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