NBA Draft Lottery/Offseason Thread 2012

[RainMaker]

Houston has a guaranteed lottery pick from Toronto that would have been in the deal. That's more valuable than a few crappy 1st round picks they can't use for half a decade.

[stevew]

basketball.realgm.com/article/222937/Grading_The_Deal_Dwight_To_Lakers_In_Most_Important_NBA_Trade_In_Over_30_Years

Bullshit article, basically praising the Magic for having the guts to lose 60 games. Any fan who will buy a Magic ticjrt in the next 5 years needs a reality check.

[RainMaker]

That's a horrible article. It's one of the worst trades in modern NBA history.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Houston has a guaranteed lottery pick from Toronto that would have been in the deal. That's more valuable than a few crappy 1st round picks they can't use for half a decade.

I didn't say the Houston deal was worse than this current deal for Orlando, I said it was little better, and that's true. A lottery guaranteed pick from Toronto doesn't change that, especially with teams like Charlotte, Atlanta (post Johnson) and Orlando itself around to devalue Toronto's lottery pick by being much, much worse.

You called the Houston deal "great in retrospect". Sorry, no, that was a shit deal, too.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's a horrible article. It's one of the worst trades in modern NBA history.

If you keep saying it, I don't think it'll be anymore true. But keep typing that if it makes you feel better. You can't judge this trade 24 hours later.

[RainMaker]

I guess we'll have to wait a decade to see how that lottery protected pick in 2017 turns out.

[RainMaker]

Who would win a game, a team comprised of the Lakers and Heat, or the rest of the NBA?

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Who would win a game, a team comprised of the Lakers and Heat, or the rest of the NBA?

Interesting question, but I'd still take the rest of the NBA.

Heck, I think the Thunder healthy could take the best of the Heat/Lakers.

[RainMaker]

The end of the Heat/Lakers bench would be weak, but they'd have:

PG Nash
SG Wade
SF Lebron
PF Gasol
C Howard

First 3 off the bench are Bosh, Kobe, and Allen. Don't think the NBA could put together an 8 man rotation that good.

[Chief Rum]

PG Paul
SG Westbrook
SF Durant
PF Love
C Bynum

Williams, Iguodala, Anthony, Griffin, Hibbert

I would take the NBA.

[RainMaker]

I don't know. NBA has the best player in the world at 3 positions. You can even make a case for the PF position with either Bosh or Gasol. I think the Miami/LA team would be too good defensively with Lebron and Howard. They are the two best defenders in the game.

[Danny]

I think I take lakers / heat with the new lebron

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

They have up Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol in hindsight, not a terrible trade

I was kind of chuckling when I wrote Crittendon, I forgot about Marc G.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's a horrible article. It's one of the worst trades in modern NBA history.

The Paul trade gets veto'd, but this farce goes through. What a joke the NBA is sometimes. Wrestling has more integrity.

[sooner333]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Virginia Beach Kings!!!! http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...ng-to-Virginia

[stevew]

If true, I'm highly pissed I moved.

[bhlloy]

Much more sensible than Anaheim

[stevew]

It will work. Very untapped market, Virginia's only sports team.

[sterlingice]

Norfolk is a good location. But Sacramento should have had a team, it seems. I guess the Kings are just cursed.

SI

[Subby]

Originally Posted by stevew

It will work. Very untapped market, Virginia's only sports team.

Geographically, sure. Virginia burbs are all in on the Caps and Nats.

[korme]

Weird

[RainMaker]

The original news article stated that the Maloofs would be building a hotel in Virginia Beach. Problem is that the Maloofs are broke. Don't really buy this story at all.

[korme]

Yeah I'm hearing it's a bunch of hot air

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Subby

Geographically, sure. Virginia burbs are all in on the Caps and Nats.

Nobody gives a fuck about the Bullets though.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by sooner333

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Virginia Beach Kings!!!! http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...ng-to-Virginia

Holy crap! They are opening a sandwich shop in Virginia Beach!

[bhlloy]

Surely even in today's market the Maloofs could get something for the Kings. Why are they even holding on to the team if they are broke, have no interest in it any more and aren't willing to put a penny into a new arena?

Are they basically holding out hope that in the current economic climate some city is going to fall over themselves to fully fund a new arena, pay them a ton of collateral and kiss their ass in doing it? I think they might be waiting a while.

[wade moore]

Poor Virginia beach/Hampton roads - being used as a pawn again.

[stevew]

Jay-Z Didn't Want People Knowing Just How Little Of The Nets He Actually Owns

Heh, I knew he was only in for a really small part, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people didn't know he was only in for a 15th of a percent.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by stevew

Jay-Z Didn't Want People Knowing Just How Little Of The Nets He Actually Owns

Heh, I knew he was only in for a really small part, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people didn't know he was only in for a 15th of a percent.

Frankly for me, the better part of that story was that he actually paid for his shares. Usually these dudes get a percentage or some small part and then do appearances, but the fact he actually paid to get into their group was surprising to me in a good way.

The fact he'll have a Rocafella store and a 40/40 Club in there too means it's quite a good business decision for him, even if he's nominally an owner despite rapping like he owns the arena.

[stevew]

I think he's a really shrewd businessman and and I'm a big fan.

I have also talked about basketball with people before, and they clearly thought he owned a huge part of the team. My responses of "you know he only owns a tiny percentage" were met with heavy skepticism.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by stevew

I think he's a really shrewd businessman and and I'm a big fan.

I have also talked about basketball with people before, and they clearly thought he owned a huge part of the team. My responses of "you know he only owns a tiny percentage" were met with heavy skepticism.

Yeah I've been to the barber shop many a time and had to endure the whole "Jay owns the arena and the basketball team" conversations. Between this and dispelling the myth of 50 Cent made a billion from selling his Vitamin Water stock, I'm pretty much the dream killer in that place.

Haha...

[sterlingice]

Yeah, seems like a shrewd business move. Also, the math doesn't sound right. How does he own 1/3rd of a percent and then that gets diluted by the sale of the team. Shouldn't his percentage either grow proportionally in value or get bought out? That part doesn't make sense.

SI

[stevew]

It's worth more in $$$, but as a ownership interest, it gets diluted. So his $1m is probably worth like 1.16M now.

[stevew]

Hmm, although maybe I'm doing bad math...He may actually only be in the team for about 200k if he cashed out the sale price. Unsure.

[sterlingice]

I guess I hadn't considered the cashed out option. See what I mean, tho- it doesn't really make sense in any other context.

He paid $1M out of $300M so he owns 1/3%

Prokorhov buys ~80% of team for 250M. The total value of the team is still $300M so shouldn't JayZ still own 1/3% unless he sold 4/5ths of his share for $800K?

SI

[cartman]

I'd love to get a deal like this one!

Former A.B.A. Owners Ozzie and Daniel Silna Earn Millions From N.B.A. - NYTimes.com

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by cartman

I'd love to get a deal like this one!

Former A.B.A. Owners Ozzie and Daniel Silna Earn Millions From N.B.A. - NYTimes.com

What an odd little story

SI

[stevew]

seems like the STL story resurfaces every year. My favorite part was that they could have bought them out for like 8m in the 80s, but only wanted to give something like 4m(IIRC from another story).

Glad to see they lost their money in the madoff scheme though. It wasn't enough to get millions without working, they had to get greedy.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by stevew

seems like the STL story resurfaces every year. My favorite part was that they could have bought them out for like 8m in the 80s, but only wanted to give something like 4m(IIRC from another story).

Glad to see they lost their money in the madoff scheme though. It wasn't enough to get millions without working, they had to get greedy.

I hate to say it, but I indulged in a little schadenfreude there, too

SI

[larrymcg421]

And here I thought the Bonilla deal was the best sports deal I've ever seen.

[miami_fan]

NBA finalizing procedures that will penalize players for flopping - ESPN

ELIZABETH, N.J. -- The NBA is about to act in hopes of stopping the floppers.

Spokesman Tim Frank said Thursday the league is finalizing procedures to deal with flopping, the art of falling down when little or no contact was made in an effort to trick referees into calling a foul.


Frank said the competition committee met two weeks ago and discussed plans that would go in place this season. Commissioner David Stern believes too many players are deceiving referees by flopping and has been seeking a way to properly penalize them.

The procedures likely will involve a postgame review of the play by the league office, rather than an official calling an infraction during the game, Frank said. Players likely would be fined if the league determined they flopped.

The proposed plan mirrors a "postgame analysis" option Stern discussed after the competition committee met in June. The league already retroactively reviews flagrant fouls to determine if they need to be upgraded or downgraded.

"If you continue to do this, you may you have to suffer some consequences," Stern said about flopping during the NBA Finals. "What those exactly should be and what the progression is, is to be decided, because ... we just want to put a stake in the ground that says this is not something that we want to be part of our game, without coming down with a sledgehammer but just doing it in a minimalist way to begin stamping it out. And I think there are ways we can do that and we'll have to wait and see exactly what we come up with."

The league's 62-person referee staff is holding its training camp, its first under the leadership of former NBA player and longtime league executive Mike Bantom. Bantom replaced Gen. Ron Johnson as executive vice president of referee operations earlier this month.

"I think one of the things that I'd just like to focus on is I think there's a perception out there that kind of throws into question sometimes the competence of our officials and even the integrity of them at times, and I think that that's not true to begin with and unfair, and I want to try and change that perception," said Bantom, who had been the league's senior vice president of player development since 1999.

[whomario]

i could swear that something similar was anounced 2 or 3 years ago, wasn´t there ?

in other news : Agent: It's Knicks or nothing for Rasheed Wallace - New York Knicks - ESPN New York

This Knicks team will definitely repeat as the hottest trainwreck in the league

Fun little factoid here is that he´ll still only be the 4th oldest player on their roster (Kidd, Thomas and Camby) .

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by whomario

This Knicks team will definitely repeat as the hottest trainwreck in the league

Fun little factoid here is that he´ll still only be the 4th oldest player on their roster (Kidd, Thomas and Camby) .

+1 it is going to be a fascinating disaster

[mckerney]

IAm the Houston Rockets GM, AMA : IAmA

[korme]

Nets finally unveiled their jerseys. They are nice. Go Spurs!

[sterlingice]

Yeah, pretty much

SI

[spleen1015]

I don't think they look anything like the Spurs.

They are nice and simple. I like it.

[Groundhog]

Yeah I think they are nice and simple, I like it. They look very European actually.

[stevew]

So the NBA put in place some new Anti-Flopping measures, and predictably the union is pissed. I believe you get a warning, then fines increase from 5k up to 30k for the 5th offense, followed by suspensions.

As long as DWade gets cited for flopping, i think it's a good rule system. They better enforce it on offensive and defensive plays.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/84...s-fine-players

Oh, and I'm loving the fact that Sheed is back.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by stevew

So the NBA put in place some new Anti-Flopping measures, and predictably the union is pissed. I believe you get a warning, then fines increase from 5k up to 30k for the 5th offense, followed by suspensions.

As long as DWade gets cited for flopping, i think it's a good rule system. They better enforce it on offensive and defensive plays.

NBA establishes new anti-flopping penalties, could fine players - ESPN

Oh, and I'm loving the fact that Sheed is back.

Well, they have to do something before the NBA turns into the joke that professional soccer has become. All the flopping in that game has made it unwatchable.