The Official 2012-13 NHL Offseason Thread

[sovereignstar v2]

Mike Modano's twitter:

Can I come back and play in Minnesota too..? #northstars

[johnnyshaka]

Yeah, saw that, good stuff...but my fav Mike Modano related tweet was the following from Ryan Whitney while playing in a golf tourney with a bunch of NHLers and ex-NHLers:

@ryanwhitney6

quote of this golf trip just happened After having his putting chirped by Modano, Eberle said "youre a dick Mo Im so happy I was a Sakic fan"

[sovereignstar v2]

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Pominville? Really?


BTW, it appears Detroit offered Sutter a 13 year, $90 million deal.

he's 2nd highest paid forward on team behind Vanek (which I figured but double checked on capgeek)

[chadritt]

13 years??????

[MizzouRah]

13 years? goodness...

[bhlloy]

God damn NBA stars, wanting to play together. They will ruin the league mark my words.

Wait, what thread is this?

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Begging the Mayor of Detroit to rename the city to Lidstromburg? Finally giving into Chelios' demands to return to the NHL?

He better hurry up before the Dallas OldStars figure out his plan!!

Actually, I believe the city is to be called Lidstroit (although there have been some rumblings of Yzerville but that is just a rumor).

I would welcome Chelios back to the NHL in a heartbeat......and a Rascal!

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Grover

Suter to Minnesota.

Originally Posted by Grover

Parise to Minnesota

13 years, 98M

Crap! and Crap!!!

[Grover]

Carchidi is reporting the Flyers are signing Bruno Gervais.

And that they still want to sign Carle. I love Matt Carle (I know a lot of Flyers fans don't), but I wouldn't give him more than 5.5-5.75M a year.

[Young Drachma]

Bye Zach. Enjoy home.

[claphamsa]

The sutter contract isnt so bad.... but Parise is waaaay overpaid!

[Grover]

Matt Carle signs in Tampa for 6/$33m.

I am sad.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

God damn NBA stars, wanting to play together. They will ruin the league mark my words.

Wait, what thread is this?

I was just coming to say that. Hehe...

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Grover

Carchidi is reporting the Flyers are signing Bruno Gervais.

And that they still want to sign Carle. I love Matt Carle (I know a lot of Flyers fans don't), but I wouldn't give him more than 5.5-5.75M a year.

Gervais is Talbot's best friend

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Gervais is Talbot's best friend

Yeah, that doesn't make me feel any better.

Kimmo's breaking down... if they don't make a move that defense is probably gonna be pretty... average (at best next year)

Timonen/Coburn
Schenn/Meszaros
Lilja/Gervais

Bourdon, Gustafsson, DSOD as the next three.

Does not exactly inspire confidence.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Grover

Yeah, that doesn't make me feel any better.

Kimmo's breaking down... if they don't make a move that defense is probably gonna be pretty... average (at best next year)

Timonen/Coburn
Schenn/Meszaros
Lilja/Gervais

Bourdon, Gustafsson, DSOD as the next three.

Does not exactly inspire confidence.

Letang - Orpik
Despres - Martin
Niskanen - Engelland
Strait/Bortuzzo


Martin needs to have a huge bounce back at this point to make me feel good at all.

[Grover]

Flyers have announced the signings of Bruno Gervais and Rusty Fedotenko.

... wow.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Grover

Flyers have announced the signings of Bruno Gervais and Rusty Fedotenko.

... wow.

Zach and Ryan who?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Grover

Flyers have announced the signings of Bruno Gervais and Rusty Fedotenko.

... wow.

Flyers are greedy...if they'd let Feds go to NJ, he could have gotten the same t-shirt Asham got!

[RomaGoth]

Still hoping the Wings pull off some type of deal to get Bobby Ryan and/or Keith Yandle and/or Jay Boumeester.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I'll probably hate myself later, but really liking the idea of Pittsburgh going after Semin.

Yeah, he said that crap about Crosby a few seasons back...but he's the most talented player left on the market. And fills a huge need both as a winger for Crosby (or Malkin, and bump Neal to Crosby's line) and a RH shot on the PP.

They've cleared a ton of space, I'd go 1 year at like $6M or $10m/2 years depending on what he wanted.

Crosby was the only major deal up after the 12-13 season - Cooke and Dupuis too, but neither is going to break the bank.

The following year is Malkin, Letang, Sutter and others...but also get out from under a group of older players at the same time in Orpik, Martin, Kunitz.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Chubby

he's 2nd highest paid forward on team behind Vanek (which I figured but double checked on capgeek)

Not sure what that means...you want to get rid of the high-price talent?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Not sure what that means...you want to get rid of the high-price talent?

I want to get rid of underperforming high priced talent

[Grover]

Ville Leino should be first on your list before Pomminville.

[Chubby]

ugh, checking Pommer's cap hit comparables makes me ill

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Grover

Ville Leino should be first on your list before Pomminville.

Leino's overpaid but he was a UFA, Pommers was not and has underperformed for the Sabres for a lot longer

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I want to get rid of underperforming high priced talent

I don't put Pominville in that category-far from it. I think you maybe one of the lone Sabres' fan in this group these days. Underperform? I would argue he is one of the Sabres' most valuable assets.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I don't put Pominville in that category-far from it. I think you maybe one of the lone Sabres' fan in this group these days. Underperform? I would argue he is one of the Sabres' most valuable assets.

25 goals a year for 5.3 million is a valuable asset?

let's see who else is getting the same cap hit:


Name Age Team Length Start Expiry Salary Cap Hit Cap Pct Delta
Pominville, Jason » 29 BUF 5 2009 2014 $5,500,000 $5,300,000 9.33% $0
Perry, Corey » 27 ANA 5 2008 2013 $4,875,000 $5,325,000 9.39% $25,000
Getzlaf, Ryan » 27 ANA 5 2008 2013 $6,125,000 $5,325,000 9.39% $25,000
Hossa, Marian » 33 CHI 12 2009 2021 $7,900,000 $5,275,000 9.29% $25,000
Carter, Jeff » 27 LAK 11 2011 2022 $6,250,000 $5,272,727 8.20% $27,273
Krejci, David » 26 BOS 3 2012 2015 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 7.48% $50,000
Kessel, Phil » 25 TOR 5 2009 2014 $5,100,000 $5,400,000 9.51% $100,000
Grabovski, Mikhail » 28 TOR 5 2012 2017 $6,000,000 $5,500,000 7.83% $200,000
Tavares, John » 21 NYI 6 2012 2018 $4,000,000 $5,500,000 7.83% $200,000
Ryan, Bobby » 25 ANA 5 2010 2015 $5,562,500 $5,100,000 8.59% $200,000
Horcoff, Shawn » 33 EDM 6 2009 2015 $6,000,000 $5,500,000 9.68% $200,000
Hemsky, Ales » 28 EDM 2 2012 2014 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.12% $300,000
Neal, James » 24 PIT 6 2012 2018 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.12% $300,000
Bergeron, Patrice » 26 BOS 3 2011 2014 $4,550,000 $5,000,000 7.78% $300,000
Plekanec, Tomas » 29 MTL 6 2010 2016 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.42% $300,000
Kesler, Ryan » 27 VAN 6 2010 2016 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.42% $300,000
Havlat, Martin » 31 SAN 6 2009 2015 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.80% $300,000
Gionta, Brian » 33 MTL 5 2009 2014 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.80% $300,000
Ribeiro, Mike » 32 WAS 5 2008 2013 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.82% $300,000
St. Louis, Martin » 37 TBL 4 2011 2015 $5,500,000 $5,625,000 8.75% $325,000
Alfredsson, Daniel » 39 OTT 4 2009 2013 $1,000,000 $4,875,000 8.58% $425,000

[Grover]

Honestly... that looks pretty much in line as far as cap numbers go.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Grover

Honestly... that looks pretty much in line as far as cap numbers go.

feel free to pick out the names from that list that you'd take over Pominville

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Chubby

feel free to pick out the names from that list that you'd take over Pominville

Pominville is great on the penalty kill, plays solid defense, durable, and he gives 100%. A very good, professional two-way player who may have been the overall best offensive player last year.

[bronconick]

Larry Robinson taking an assistant coaching job in San Jose.

[Chief Rum]

Teemu Returning For One More Year!!!

Fuck yeah!

I'll never get tired of his game, or how well he represents hockey. I'm thilled to get another season to watch my favorite player.

[Pyser]

Here comes th lockout. Owners offer according to sources:

RT @RenLavoieRDS: NHL proposal to players:
1-reduce players hockey related revenues to 46% from 57 %.
2-10 seasons in NHL before being UFA.
3-contracts limited to 5 years
4-no more salary arbitration.
5- entry-level contract 5 years instead of 3.

[Logan]

Shocking. It also includes reducing what's defined as Hockey Related Revenue.

[britrock88]

Jeezus. See you guys in the fall of '13.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Jeezus. See you guys in the fall of '13.

This. If anyone even tries to suggest the players are to blame for this lockout, let's come back to this. What a complete joke

[Suburban Rhythm]

Owners would be silly not to make those demands in their first offer. Have to start at low to reach something palatable at middle ground.

And when the players want to them to budge on all those demands, they can point the finger and say "Look...they are asking too much of us! It's their fault"

The % of revenues will come down from 57%, just not to 46%. And I can even see the NHLPA saying OK on the 5 year entry level deals. That impact isn't going to be so great, at least to the NHL. Might hurt NCAA, as kids leave earlier to sign those first deals. All it's going to eliminate at the NHL level is the majority of team friendly 2nd deals. Letang is in year 3 of a 4 year deal making $3.5M (2nd contract). Giroux is in year 3 of a 4 year deal, making $3.75M. Guess how much those two are making if, after a 5 year entry level deal, these new contracts were only negotiated after last season?

Don't see the players moving on the FA age, from 7 to 10, if they give the additional entry level years.

[Logan]

Fair enough SR, and I think most of us understand that part of negotiations, but the frustration comes when both sides are refusing to meet more timely. And when they finally do, they waste precious time with this bullshit.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Logan

Fair enough SR, and I think most of us understand that part of negotiations, but the frustration comes when both sides are refusing to meet more timely. And when they finally do, they waste precious time with this bullshit.

I agree it is frustrating. I understand why the owners start at such a high point (or low, I guess, depending on interpretation), but doesn't mean I like it. But what would be the fun in both starting at 52% of revenues, and agreeing before they start negotiations?

It is hard to watch owners cry poor one week after one team agrees to pay $200M over the next 13 years, and another thinks giving Sheldon Souray near $4M is a good idea less than a year after he could have been had for league minimum.

The cap, in part, is to save owners from themselves...and now they are telling us it's not powerful enough to save us enough.

[Suburban Rhythm]

BREAKING NEWS:

Worst player in the NHL* signs $18.25M, 3 year contract

Capitals Re-sign Mike Green - Washington Capitals - News

* only because Tyler Sloan isn't in the NHL

[JPhillips]

A little higher than what I'd like, but three years is good for a guy with his injury history.

edit: And don't forget, Tyler Sloan is the worst player in the NHL, but Mike Green is worse tan Tyler Sloan.

[Fidatelo]

Ondrej Pavelec got a DUI in the Czech Republic: Pavelec charged with DUI - Winnipeg Free Press

Guess he must have been celebrating that new contract a little too hard.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Don't see the players moving on the FA age, from 7 to 10, if they give the additional entry level years.

I can't see the players giving in on any of it except possibly the 5 year contract limitation. Of course, if the owners can somehow get out of their own way and lower these demands, anything can happen.

As it stands right now, that initial offer is laughable from a players union perspective.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I just read something in the Detroit News (on-line) that the bidding for Shane Doane started at $7.5 million a year for four years. Yikes! I like Shane Doan well enough and all, but not for $7.5 million.

[bhlloy]

Here's a quick tip - if you are really losing money don't give 30 million dollars to an ancient broken down Shane Doan.

I'd love to see Doan on the Ducks for about 5 million for 2 years. Anything over that, good luck to who "wins"

[Logan]

That was the thought among Rangers fans too.

[Draft Dodger]

If I may pimp my own blog (but not my own work), one of our writers has a pretty cool interview with Scott Parker

Part 1 is up today, part 2 will be tomorrow
An Afternoon With Former Avalanche Enforcer Scott Parker - Mile High Hockey

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

If I may pimp my own blog (but not my own work), one of our writers has a pretty cool interview with Scott Parker

Part 1 is up today, part 2 will be tomorrow
An Afternoon With Former Avalanche Enforcer Scott Parker - Mile High Hockey

Great stuff.

Thanks for sharing it, Double D!