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Old 03-21-2011, 05:08 PM   #101
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-Don't draft QBs with a bench lower than 10. As we'll discuss with some other criteria, some of these constraints are best used as rules of thumb and not hard boundaries. (Remember, we're talking about guys with across the board attribute ratings at a certain level. It's quite possible you can land effective guys with a different mix of certain ratings or something. Just be dang skeptical of them.) I use 10 bench as a hard boundary for QBs. It's really just not worth messing with guys below that in my opinion.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:43 AM   #102
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J.C. Moln (7) and Glenn Coleman (9) told me to tell you to SUCK IT!

Oh yes, Ben making the best use of his players. Shocking.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:45 AM   #103
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Coleman belongs to Quik. Equally shocking, I know.
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:29 PM   #104
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He doesn't yet have the stats, but Fonzie hasn't shied from noodle-armed guys either.
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:30 AM   #105
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Coleman belongs to Quik. Equally shocking, I know.

'Belongs' to? And at only 15 million? SLAVERY!
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Old 03-26-2011, 07:39 PM   #106
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Does Height have anything to do with it? I always pass on undersized qb's (anyone under 6'0) even if they have good bars.

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Height was not used in this research. I've always treated it as a pretty minor variable for consideration.

I thought i should bring this up

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We've read that height and weight matter to some extent. Anything to look for with height and weight when drafting, such as do tall defensive linemen block more passes, or tall wide receivers catch more, or heavy defensive linemen stop the run better but get tired easily?

With weight, a player close to the ideal weight for his position will perform better (100% of his real ratings) in most areas than someone who is too heavy or too light. The difference, however, is very slight, as players can't move to positions they're ill-suited to play because of their weight. This does not affect quarterbacks, punters, kickers and cornerbacks. I honestly don't remember why I excluded cornerbacks specifically.

Same for height, except the cases are much more limited. Height matters most for quarterbacks, and slightly for receivers, defensive linemen, cornerbacks and safeties
This is from a Q&A Ben did with Jim found here
February 2008 Solecismic Q&A: Drafting Tips - Front Office Football Central

So while height/weight will not affect a guys current/potential numbers it could have an effect on his ability to actualy play at that level if he is undersized it seems.

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Old 03-27-2011, 05:38 AM   #107
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Be careful. That was Feb. 2008. Multiple significant game updates have occurred since then. I suspect things have changed since then in that arena.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:17 AM   #108
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So height/weight now applys more directly to bars and ratings?

I can see the merits of both ways. Would be nice to know which it is though.
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Old 03-27-2011, 01:12 PM   #109
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So height/weight now applys more directly to bars and ratings?

I can see the merits of both ways. Would be nice to know which it is though.
I didn't say that either. I said that I *suspect* that things have changed. And if they have, I don't think it applies directly to bars and ratings. I'd think it would be applied on top of the existing bars/ratings.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:16 PM   #110
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All,

Sorry I haven't had more time to work on this. Life's gotten fairly busy.

Simple version:

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Solecis.40Yard Bench Agility BrdJump PosDrill QB 44 4.52 15 7.18 114 89 28 4.84 10 7.8 102 67 RB 33 4.46 20 7.08 126 32 18 4.65 15 7.35 114 17 FB 33 4.68 27 7.25 113 42 19 4.78 20 7.6 102 22 TE 36 4.59 31 7.41 118 48 21 4.78 18 7.75 102 30 WR 35 4.38 15 6.91 62 17 4.51 11 7.2 41 C 5.06 34 7.74 102 5.31 20 8 88 G 5.08 37 7.64 102 5.27 23 7.9 88 T 5.08 37 7.54 106 5.27 22 7.8 90 P 38 4.83 16 21 5.07 10 K 40 4.96 16 114 22 5.12 9 102 DE 37 4.68 34 7.2 116 17 4.85 20 7.6 106 DT 34 4.95 37 7.46 112 14 5.07 25 7.08 98 ILB 41 4.7 29 7.32 118 41 19 4.86 16 7.6 99 27 OLB 39 4.55 24 7.14 122 42 17 4.71 12 7.4 108 27 CB 36 4.42 16 6.92 52 14 4.52 9 7.2 37 S 42 4.45 22 7.06 51 19 4.59 12 7.35 37

Okay, the above is a variant on the original idea. For each position and each measureable there are two values.

The top value is the "good value." Any value above that Solecismic, Bench, Broad Jump, or Position Drill indicates that value is a 575, 600, or 625 level skill. Any value below the top value for 40 Yard and Agility represents the same.

The reverse is true for the bottom value. Any value below the bottom value for Solecismic, Bench, Broad Jump, or Position Drill indicates that value is a 375, 400, 425, or 450 value player.

This is a quick, simplistic, and dirty way to find outliers.

But we've always known this.... What about the difficult way?

That will be coming in posts as I have time to put them up.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:26 PM   #111
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Solecismic Scores

READ THIS FIRST!!
This data is currently untested and is derived from statistical analysis detailed above.

To get the numbers to line up in a row perfectly there had to be a little fudging, especially at the periphery (really low and really high) due to small sample size at these extremes.

Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

Code:
Sol QB RB FB TE WR C G T P K DE DT ILB OLB CB S 7 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 8 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 9 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 10 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 11 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 12 375 387.5 375 375 387.5 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 387.5 375 13 375 387.5 375 375 387.5 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 387.5 400 375 387.5 400 375 14 375 400 375 375 400 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 400 412.5 375 387.5 400 375 15 375 400 387.5 387.5 400 N/A N/A N/A 375 375 412.5 412.5 375 400 412.5 375 16 375 400 387.5 387.5 412.5 N/A N/A N/A 387.5 375 412.5 412.5 375 400 425 375 17 375 412.5 400 387.5 412.5 N/A N/A N/A 387.5 375 425 425 400 412.5 425 400 18 375 437.5 400 400 450 N/A N/A N/A 387.5 387.5 425 425 400 425 425 400 19 387.5 462.5 412.5 412.5 462.5 N/A N/A N/A 400 400 425 425 412.5 425 450 412.5 20 400 475 450 412.5 475 N/A N/A N/A 400 400 425 450 425 425 462.5 412.5 21 400 475 462.5 450 475 N/A N/A N/A 412.5 400 450 462.5 425 425 475 412.5 22 400 500 475 462.5 487.5 N/A N/A N/A 450 412.5 475 475 425 450 475 425 23 400 512.5 487.5 475 500 N/A N/A N/A 462.5 450 475 487.5 425 475 487.5 425 24 412.5 525 500 487.5 512.5 N/A N/A N/A 475 462.5 475 500 450 475 500 425 25 412.5 537.5 525 487.5 537.5 N/A N/A N/A 487.5 475 500 512.5 462.5 487.5 512.5 425 26 412.5 550 537.5 512.5 550 N/A N/A N/A 500 475 512.5 525 475 487.5 525 450 27 412.5 575 550 525 562.5 N/A N/A N/A 500 487.5 525 537.5 487.5 500 537.5 462.5 28 450 575 562.5 537.5 575 N/A N/A N/A 525 500 537.5 537.5 487.5 512.5 550 475 29 462.5 587.5 575 562.5 575 N/A N/A N/A 537.5 525 537.5 562.5 500 525 550 487.5 30 475 587.5 587.5 562.5 587.5 N/A N/A N/A 550 525 550 575 512.5 525 562.5 487.5 31 475 600 587.5 575 587.5 N/A N/A N/A 562.5 550 562.5 575 525 550 575 500 32 500 600 600 587.5 600 N/A N/A N/A 562.5 562.5 562.5 575 537.5 550 575 512.5 33 500 600 600 587.5 600 N/A N/A N/A 575 562.5 587.5 587.5 537.5 562.5 587.5 525 34 512.5 600 600 587.5 600 N/A N/A N/A 587.5 575 587.5 600 550 575 587.5 537.5 35 537.5 600 600 600 600 N/A N/A N/A 600 587.5 587.5 600 562.5 575 587.5 550 36 537.5 600 600 600 600 N/A N/A N/A 600 587.5 600 600 575 575 600 562.5 37 550 625 625 600 600 N/A N/A N/A 600 587.5 600 600 575 600 600 562.5 38 562.5 625 625 600 600 N/A N/A N/A 600 600 600 600 587.5 600 600 575 39 575 625 625 600 612.5 N/A N/A N/A 600 600 600 625 587.5 600 612.5 575 40 587.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 600 600 612.5 625 587.5 600 612.5 587.5 41 587.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 600 612.5 625 600 600 625 587.5 42 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 600 612.5 625 600 600 625 600 43 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 612.5 625 625 600 612.5 625 600 44 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 625 600 45 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 625 600 46 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 612.5 612.5 625 600 47 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 48 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 49 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 50 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 51 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 52 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 53 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 54 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
Suppose you have a player with a 17 Solecismic score. If that player is a QB, then the Solecismic score tends to indicate a 375 level player. However, if that player were a DT, that would indcate a 425 level player.

Yes, some scores you'll never see. I've never heard of a WR with a 54 Solecismic score. I populated the entire table just in case some wacky scores get included in a future update.

You might be saying, "There isn't a 387.5 score in the game. What the heck?" Some scores were equally balanced between two values (in this case 375 and 400). I couldn't make a determination of a single value so the average of the two was placed here. If you want to use them as is, great. You can also round these values up or down, depending on your preference.

Coming next...40 Yard Dash.

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Old 05-24-2011, 04:36 PM   #112
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40 Yard Dash Times

READ THIS FIRST!!
This data is currently untested and is derived from statistical analysis detailed above.

To get the numbers to line up in a row perfectly there had to be a little fudging, especially at the periphery (really low and really high) due to small sample size at these extremes.

Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

Code:
40Yard QB RB FB TE WR C G T P K DE DT ILB OLB CB S 4.25 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.26 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.27 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.28 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.29 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.30 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 4.31 625 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 4.32 625 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 4.33 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 4.34 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 4.35 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 4.36 612.5 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 4.37 612.5 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 4.38 600 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 4.39 600 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.40 600 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.41 600 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.42 600 600 625 625 587.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.43 600 600 625 625 562.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.44 600 600 625 625 550 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 4.45 600 600 625 625 537.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 575 600 4.46 600 600 625 625 525 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 550 600 4.47 600 600 625 625 525 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 525 600 4.48 600 600 625 625 512.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 525 600 4.49 600 600 625 625 500 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 512.5 587.5 4.50 600 587.5 625 625 500 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 500 575 4.51 600 587.5 625 612.5 475 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 500 562.5 4.52 600 575 625 600 450 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 475 537.5 4.53 600 562.5 625 600 450 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 450 537.5 4.54 600 550 625 600 450 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 450 525 4.55 600 537.5 625 600 450 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 437.5 525 4.56 600 537.5 625 600 437.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 437.5 512.5 4.57 600 525 625 600 437.5 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 437.5 450 4.58 587.5 525 625 600 437.5 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 600 425 450 4.59 587.5 512.5 625 600 437.5 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 600 600 425 450 4.60 587.5 512.5 612.5 600 437.5 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 587.5 425 450 4.61 575 512.5 612.5 600 425 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 575 412.5 450 4.62 575 500 600 600 425 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 562.5 400 450 4.63 562.5 500 600 600 425 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 550 400 437.5 4.64 550 487.5 600 600 425 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 537.5 400 437.5 4.65 550 475 600 600 412.5 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 525 400 425 4.66 550 450 600 600 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 525 400 425 4.67 537.5 450 600 587.5 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 512.5 400 425 4.68 537.5 450 600 587.5 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 500 387.5 425 4.69 537.5 450 600 587.5 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 500 387.5 412.5 4.70 525 437.5 600 575 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 500 375 400 4.71 525 437.5 600 575 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 475 375 400 4.72 525 425 587.5 562.5 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 600 450 375 400 4.73 525 425 587.5 550 400 625 625 625 625 625 600 625 587.5 450 375 400 4.74 525 425 587.5 550 387.5 625 625 625 612.5 625 575 625 587.5 450 375 400 4.75 512.5 412.5 587.5 537.5 387.5 625 625 625 612.5 625 562.5 625 575 437.5 375 400 4.76 512.5 412.5 562.5 525 387.5 625 625 625 600 625 550 625 550 437.5 375 400 4.77 512.5 400 562.5 512.5 375 625 625 625 600 625 537.5 625 550 437.5 375 400 4.78 512.5 400 525 475 375 625 625 625 600 625 537.5 625 537.5 425 375 375 4.79 500 387.5 512.5 450 375 625 625 625 600 625 525 625 525 425 375 375 4.80 500 387.5 500 450 375 625 625 625 600 625 525 625 525 425 375 375 4.81 500 387.5 500 450 375 625 625 625 600 625 512.5 625 525 425 375 375 4.82 500 375 487.5 450 375 625 625 625 600 625 500 625 512.5 412.5 375 375 4.83 487.5 375 462.5 437.5 375 625 625 625 600 625 500 625 500 400 375 375 4.84 475 375 462.5 437.5 375 625 625 625 600 625 500 625 500 400 375 375 4.85 450 375 450 437.5 375 625 625 625 600 612.5 475 612.5 487.5 400 375 375 4.86 450 375 450 425 375 625 625 625 600 612.5 450 612.5 475 400 375 375 4.87 450 375 437.5 425 375 625 625 625 600 612.5 450 600 450 400 375 375 4.88 450 375 425 425 375 625 625 625 600 612.5 450 600 450 400 375 375 4.89 450 375 412.5 412.5 375 625 625 625 587.5 600 437.5 600 437.5 400 375 375 4.90 437.5 375 412.5 412.5 375 625 625 625 575 600 437.5 600 437.5 387.5 375 375 4.91 437.5 375 400 412.5 375 625 612.5 612.5 550 600 437.5 600 437.5 387.5 375 375 4.92 437.5 375 400 400 375 625 612.5 600 550 600 437.5 600 425 375 375 375 4.93 437.5 375 387.5 400 375 625 612.5 600 550 600 425 600 425 375 375 375 4.94 425 375 375 400 375 625 612.5 600 537.5 600 425 600 425 375 375 375 4.95 425 375 375 387.5 375 625 612.5 600 537.5 600 425 600 412.5 375 375 375 4.96 425 375 375 387.5 375 600 612.5 600 525 600 425 600 400 375 375 375 4.97 425 375 375 387.5 375 600 612.5 600 525 600 425 600 400 375 375 375 4.98 425 375 375 387.5 375 600 612.5 600 525 600 412.5 587.5 400 375 375 375 4.99 412.5 375 375 375 375 600 612.5 600 525 600 412.5 575 400 375 375 375 5.00 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 512.5 600 400 550 400 375 375 375 5.01 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 512.5 587.5 400 537.5 400 375 375 375 5.02 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 500 562.5 400 525 387.5 375 375 375 5.03 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 500 550 400 525 375 375 375 375 5.04 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 500 537.5 400 512.5 375 375 375 375 5.05 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 500 525 400 500 375 375 375 375 5.06 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 500 525 400 500 375 375 375 375 5.07 400 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 475 525 400 475 375 375 375 375 5.08 387.5 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 450 512.5 400 450 375 375 375 375 5.09 387.5 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 450 500 387.5 450 375 375 375 375 5.10 387.5 375 375 375 375 600 600 600 450 500 387.5 450 375 375 375 375 5.11 375 375 375 375 375 600 587.5 587.5 437.5 500 375 437.5 375 375 375 375 5.12 375 375 375 375 375 600 575 575 437.5 475 375 437.5 375 375 375 375 5.13 375 375 375 375 375 587.5 562.5 575 437.5 450 375 437.5 375 375 375 375 5.14 375 375 375 375 375 587.5 550 550 437.5 450 375 437.5 375 375 375 375 5.15 375 375 375 375 375 575 550 550 437.5 450 375 437.5 375 375 375 375 5.16 375 375 375 375 375 562.5 537.5 537.5 425 437.5 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.17 375 375 375 375 375 550 525 525 425 437.5 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.18 375 375 375 375 375 550 525 525 425 437.5 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.19 375 375 375 375 375 537.5 525 525 425 437.5 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.20 375 375 375 375 375 525 525 525 425 425 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.21 375 375 375 375 375 525 512.5 512.5 425 425 375 425 375 375 375 375 5.22 375 375 375 375 375 525 500 512.5 412.5 425 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 5.23 375 375 375 375 375 525 500 500 400 425 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.24 375 375 375 375 375 525 500 500 400 425 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.25 375 375 375 375 375 512.5 487.5 500 400 412.5 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.26 375 375 375 375 375 500 487.5 487.5 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.27 375 375 375 375 375 500 475 475 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.28 375 375 375 375 375 500 450 450 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.29 375 375 375 375 375 500 450 450 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.30 375 375 375 375 375 487.5 450 450 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.31 375 375 375 375 375 475 437.5 450 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.32 375 375 375 375 375 450 437.5 437.5 400 400 375 400 375 375 375 375 5.33 375 375 375 375 375 450 437.5 437.5 387.5 400 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 5.34 375 375 375 375 375 437.5 425 437.5 387.5 387.5 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 5.35 375 375 375 375 375 437.5 425 437.5 375 387.5 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 5.36 375 375 375 375 375 425 425 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.37 375 375 375 375 375 425 412.5 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.38 375 375 375 375 375 425 400 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.39 375 375 375 375 375 425 400 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.40 375 375 375 375 375 412.5 400 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.41 375 375 375 375 375 400 400 425 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.42 375 375 375 375 375 400 400 412.5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.43 375 375 375 375 375 400 400 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.44 375 375 375 375 375 400 400 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.45 375 375 375 375 375 400 387.5 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.46 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 387.5 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.47 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.48 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.49 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.50 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.51 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.52 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.53 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.54 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.55 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.56 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.57 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.58 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.59 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5.60 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
Suppose you have a player with a 4.87 40 yard dash. If that player is a QB, then the score tends to indicate a 450 level player. However, if that player were a DT, that would indcate a 600 level player.

Next...Bench Press.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:40 PM   #113
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Bench Press

READ THIS FIRST!!
This data is currently untested and is derived from statistical analysis detailed above.

To get the numbers to line up in a row perfectly there had to be a little fudging, especially at the periphery (really low and really high) due to small sample size at these extremes.

Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

Code:
Bench QB RB FB TE WR C G T P K DE DT ILB OLB CB S 4 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 375 375 6 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 400 400 375 375 375 375 400 375 7 375 375 375 375 400 375 375 375 400 425 375 375 375 375 400 375 8 375 375 375 375 425 400 375 375 425 437.5 375 375 375 375 400 375 9 400 375 375 375 437.5 400 375 375 450 475 375 375 375 375 412.5 387.5 10 425 400 375 375 450 400 375 375 475 500 375 375 375 387.5 437.5 400 11 450 400 375 375 487.5 400 375 375 500 525 375 375 375 400 450 412.5 12 487.5 412.5 375 375 512.5 400 375 375 525 537.5 375 375 375 400 475 412.5 13 512.5 437.5 375 375 537.5 400 375 375 537.5 575 375 375 375 412.5 525 437.5 14 525 450 375 375 575 400 375 375 575 600 375 375 400 412.5 562.5 450 15 537.5 475 400 400 600 400 375 375 600 600 375 375 400 425 587.5 475 16 575 512.5 400 412.5 600 400 375 375 600 600 375 375 400 437.5 600 500 17 600 525 412.5 412.5 600 400 375 375 600 600 375 375 412.5 450 600 525 18 600 550 425 425 600 412.5 375 375 600 612.5 387.5 375 425 475 600 550 19 600 575 437.5 425 600 412.5 375 400 612.5 612.5 400 375 437.5 500 600 575 20 600 600 475 437.5 600 425 375 400 612.5 625 400 375 450 525 600 587.5 21 600 600 500 450 625 425 400 412.5 612.5 625 400 387.5 475 550 625 600 22 600 600 525 475 625 437.5 412.5 412.5 625 625 412.5 400 487.5 575 625 600 23 612.5 600 537.5 500 625 437.5 425 425 625 625 412.5 400 512.5 587.5 625 600 24 625 600 562.5 512.5 625 450 425 437.5 625 625 437.5 412.5 537.5 600 625 600 25 625 612.5 587.5 525 625 475 437.5 437.5 625 625 437.5 425 562.5 600 625 600 26 625 625 600 550 625 487.5 450 437.5 625 625 450 437.5 575 600 625 600 27 625 625 600 562.5 625 512.5 475 450 625 625 475 450 587.5 600 625 625 28 625 625 600 575 625 537.5 487.5 475 625 625 500 475 587.5 600 625 625 29 625 625 600 587.5 625 550 512.5 500 625 625 512.5 487.5 600 600 625 625 30 625 625 600 600 625 562.5 525 500 625 625 550 512.5 600 625 625 625 31 625 625 612.5 600 625 575 537.5 525 625 625 562.5 537.5 600 625 625 625 32 625 625 625 600 625 587.5 550 550 625 625 575 550 600 625 625 625 33 625 625 625 600 625 587.5 562.5 550 625 625 587.5 562.5 600 625 625 625 34 625 625 625 600 625 600 575 575 625 625 600 575 600 625 625 625 35 625 625 625 600 625 600 575 587.5 625 625 600 587.5 625 625 625 625 36 625 625 625 612.5 625 600 587.5 587.5 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 625 37 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 600 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 625 38 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 600 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 625 39 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 600 625 625 612.5 600 625 625 625 625 40 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 41 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 42 625 625 625 625 625 625 600 600 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 625 43 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
See above.

Next...Agility.

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Agility

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Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

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Agility QB RB FB TE WR C G T P K DE DT ILB OLB CB S 6.72 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.73 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.74 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.75 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.76 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.77 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.78 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.79 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 6.8 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.81 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.82 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.83 625 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.84 625 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.85 625 625 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.86 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.87 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.88 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 625 6.89 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.9 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.91 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.92 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.93 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.94 625 612.5 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 612.5 6.95 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 600 600 6.96 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 612.5 600 600 6.97 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 612.5 600 600 6.98 625 600 612.5 625 600 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 600 600 600 6.99 625 600 612.5 625 587.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 625 625 625 600 600 600 7 625 600 612.5 625 587.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 587.5 600 7.01 625 600 612.5 625 575 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 587.5 600 7.02 625 600 612.5 625 562.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 575 600 7.03 625 600 612.5 625 562.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 562.5 600 7.04 625 600 612.5 625 550 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 550 600 7.05 612.5 600 612.5 625 537.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 550 600 7.06 612.5 600 612.5 625 537.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 550 600 7.07 612.5 600 600 625 537.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 612.5 625 625 600 537.5 600 7.08 600 600 600 625 525 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 525 600 7.09 600 600 600 625 525 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 525 600 7.1 600 600 600 625 525 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 525 600 7.11 600 600 600 625 512.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 525 600 7.12 600 575 600 625 512.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 525 600 7.13 600 575 600 625 512.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 512.5 587.5 7.14 600 562.5 600 625 500 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 625 600 512.5 587.5 7.15 600 562.5 600 625 500 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 612.5 600 500 575 7.16 600 562.5 600 625 500 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 600 600 500 575 7.17 600 550 600 625 500 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 600 600 500 550 7.18 600 537.5 600 625 487.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 625 600 600 487.5 550 7.19 600 537.5 600 625 487.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 600 487.5 550 7.2 600 537.5 600 625 475 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 600 475 537.5 7.21 600 525 600 625 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 587.5 450 537.5 7.22 600 525 600 625 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 575 450 525 7.23 600 525 600 625 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 562.5 450 525 7.24 600 525 600 625 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 550 450 525 7.25 587.5 525 600 600 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 550 437.5 525 7.26 587.5 512.5 600 600 450 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 537.5 437.5 512.5 7.27 587.5 512.5 600 600 437.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 612.5 600 537.5 437.5 512.5 7.28 587.5 500 600 600 437.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 600 600 600 525 437.5 512.5 7.29 587.5 500 600 600 437.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 587.5 600 600 525 437.5 500 7.3 587.5 500 600 600 437.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 587.5 600 600 525 425 500 7.31 575 500 587.5 600 437.5 625 625 625 N/A N/A 587.5 600 600 525 425 500 7.32 575 500 587.5 600 425 625 625 612.5 N/A N/A 587.5 600 600 512.5 425 500 7.33 575 487.5 575 600 425 625 625 612.5 N/A N/A 575 600 600 512.5 425 487.5 7.34 575 487.5 567.5 600 425 625 625 600 N/A N/A 562.5 600 600 512.5 425 487.5 7.35 575 475 550 600 425 625 625 600 N/A N/A 562.5 600 600 500 425 475 7.36 575 450 550 600 425 625 625 600 N/A N/A 562.5 600 600 500 425 450 7.37 562.5 450 550 600 425 625 625 600 N/A N/A 562.5 600 587.5 500 425 450 7.38 562.5 450 550 600 412.5 625 625 600 N/A N/A 550 600 587.5 500 412.5 450 7.39 562.5 450 537.5 600 412.5 625 625 600 N/A N/A 550 600 587.5 487.5 412.5 450 7.4 562.5 450 537.5 600 412.5 625 625 600 N/A N/A 537.5 600 575 475 400 450 7.41 550 450 537.5 600 400 625 625 600 N/A N/A 537.5 600 562.5 450 400 437.5 7.42 550 450 525 600 400 625 625 600 N/A N/A 525 600 550 450 400 437.5 7.43 550 437.5 525 600 400 625 625 600 N/A N/A 525 600 550 450 400 437.5 7.44 550 437.5 525 600 400 625 625 600 N/A N/A 525 600 550 450 400 437.5 7.45 550 437.5 525 600 400 625 625 600 N/A N/A 525 600 537.5 437.5 400 437.5 7.46 550 437.5 525 600 400 625 612.5 600 N/A N/A 525 600 537.5 437.5 400 425 7.47 537.5 437.5 525 600 400 625 612.5 600 N/A N/A 525 587.5 525 437.5 400 425 7.48 537.5 437.5 512.5 587.5 400 625 612.5 600 N/A N/A 512.5 587.5 525 437.5 400 425 7.49 537.5 425 512.5 587.5 400 625 612.5 600 N/A N/A 512.5 587.5 525 437.5 400 425 7.5 537.5 425 512.5 575 400 625 612.5 600 N/A N/A 512.5 587.5 525 437.5 400 425 7.51 537.5 425 500 575 400 625 612.5 587.5 N/A N/A 500 587.5 525 425 387.5 425 7.52 537.5 425 500 550 387.5 625 612.5 587.5 N/A N/A 500 587.5 512.5 425 387.5 425 7.53 525 425 500 550 387.5 625 612.5 562.5 N/A N/A 500 575 512.5 425 387.5 425 7.54 525 425 500 550 375 625 600 562.5 N/A N/A 500 575 500 425 387.5 425 7.55 525 425 500 550 375 625 600 550 N/A N/A 500 562.5 500 425 375 412.5 7.56 512.5 412.5 500 537.5 375 625 600 550 N/A N/A 500 550 500 425 375 412.5 7.57 512.5 412.5 500 537.5 375 612.5 600 537.5 N/A N/A 487.5 550 500 425 375 400 7.58 512.5 412.5 500 525 375 612.5 600 537.5 N/A N/A 487.5 550 487.5 412.5 375 400 7.59 512.5 400 487.5 525 375 612.5 600 525 N/A N/A 487.5 537.5 487.5 400 375 400 7.6 512.5 400 475 525 375 612.5 600 525 N/A N/A 475 537.5 475 400 375 400 7.61 500 400 450 525 375 612.5 600 525 N/A N/A 450 537.5 450 400 375 400 7.62 500 400 450 525 375 612.5 600 512.5 N/A N/A 450 525 450 400 375 400 7.63 500 400 450 525 375 600 600 512.5 N/A N/A 450 525 450 400 375 400 7.64 500 400 450 525 375 600 600 500 N/A N/A 450 525 450 400 375 400 7.65 500 400 450 512.5 375 600 600 500 N/A N/A 450 525 450 400 375 400 7.66 500 400 450 512.5 375 600 600 500 N/A N/A 450 525 437.5 400 375 400 7.67 500 400 437.5 512.5 375 600 600 500 N/A N/A 437.5 525 437.5 400 375 400 7.68 500 400 437.5 500 375 600 600 500 N/A N/A 437.5 512.5 437.5 400 375 400 7.69 500 400 437.5 500 375 600 587.5 487.5 N/A N/A 437.5 512.5 437.5 400 375 400 7.7 500 400 437.5 500 375 600 587.5 475 N/A N/A 437.5 512.5 437.5 400 375 400 7.71 487.5 387.5 437.5 500 375 600 587.5 450 N/A N/A 437.5 500 437.5 387.5 375 387.5 7.72 487.5 387.5 437.5 500 375 600 587.5 450 N/A N/A 437.5 500 437.5 387.5 375 387.5 7.73 487.5 375 437.5 487.5 375 600 562.5 450 N/A N/A 437.5 500 437.5 387.5 375 375 7.74 487.5 375 437.5 487.5 375 600 550 450 N/A N/A 437.5 500 425 387.5 375 375 7.75 475 375 425 475 375 600 550 450 N/A N/A 425 500 425 375 375 375 7.76 475 375 425 450 375 600 550 450 N/A N/A 425 500 425 375 375 375 7.77 475 375 425 450 375 600 525 437.5 N/A N/A 425 487.5 425 375 375 375 7.78 475 375 425 450 375 600 525 437.5 N/A N/A 425 487.5 425 375 375 375 7.79 462.5 375 425 450 375 600 525 437.5 N/A N/A 425 487.5 425 375 375 375 7.8 450 375 425 450 375 600 525 437.5 N/A N/A 425 475 425 375 375 375 7.81 450 375 425 450 375 587.5 525 437.5 N/A N/A 425 450 425 375 375 375 7.82 437.5 375 425 437.5 375 575 512.5 437.5 N/A N/A 425 450 412.5 375 375 375 7.83 437.5 375 425 437.5 375 562.5 512.5 437.5 N/A N/A 425 450 412.5 375 375 375 7.84 437.5 375 425 437.5 375 550 500 437.5 N/A N/A 425 450 400 375 375 375 7.85 437.5 375 412.5 437.5 375 550 500 425 N/A N/A 425 450 400 375 375 375 7.86 437.5 375 412.5 437.5 375 550 500 425 N/A N/A 412.5 450 400 375 375 375 7.87 437.5 375 412.5 437.5 375 537.5 500 425 N/A N/A 412.5 450 400 375 375 375 7.88 425 375 400 437.5 375 525 500 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.89 425 375 400 437.5 375 525 500 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.9 425 375 400 437.5 375 525 475 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.91 425 375 400 437.5 375 525 450 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.92 425 375 400 437.5 375 512.5 450 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.93 412.5 375 400 425 375 512.5 450 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.94 400 375 400 425 375 500 450 425 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.95 400 375 400 425 375 500 450 412.5 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.96 400 375 400 425 375 500 450 412.5 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.97 400 375 400 425 375 500 437.5 412.5 N/A N/A 400 437.5 400 375 375 375 7.98 400 375 400 425 375 487.5 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 387.5 375 375 375 7.99 400 375 400 425 375 487.5 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 387.5 375 375 375 8 400 375 400 425 375 475 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 387.5 375 375 375 8.01 400 375 400 425 375 450 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 387.5 375 375 375 8.02 400 375 400 425 375 450 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 375 375 375 375 8.03 400 375 400 425 375 450 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 375 375 375 375 8.04 400 375 400 425 375 450 437.5 400 N/A N/A 400 425 375 375 375 375 8.05 400 375 400 425 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 400 425 375 375 375 375 8.06 400 375 387.5 425 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 387.5 425 375 375 375 375 8.07 400 375 387.5 425 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 387.5 425 375 375 375 375 8.08 400 375 387.5 412.5 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 387.5 425 375 375 375 375 8.09 400 375 387.5 412.5 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 387.5 425 375 375 375 375 8.1 400 375 387.5 400 375 437.5 425 400 N/A N/A 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 8.11 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 8.12 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 8.13 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.14 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.15 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.16 400 375 375 400 375 425 425 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.17 400 375 375 400 375 425 412.5 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.18 400 375 375 400 375 412.5 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.19 387.5 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.2 387.5 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.21 387.5 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.22 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.23 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.24 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.25 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 400 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.26 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 387.5 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.27 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 387.5 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.28 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 387.5 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.29 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 387.5 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.3 375 375 375 400 375 400 400 375 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.31 375 375 375 400 375 387.5 400 375 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.32 375 375 375 400 375 387.5 400 375 N/A N/A 375 400 375 375 375 375 8.33 375 375 375 400 375 387.5 400 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.34 375 375 375 387.5 375 387.5 400 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.35 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 400 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.36 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.37 375 375 375 387.5 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.38 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.39 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.4 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 8.41 375 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.42 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.43 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.44 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.45 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.46 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.47 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.48 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.49 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 8.5 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
See above.

Next...Broad Jump.
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Broad Jump

READ THIS FIRST!!
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Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

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BJump QB RB FB TE WR C G T P K DE DT ILB OLB CB S 78 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 79 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 80 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 81 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 387.5 375 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 82 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 387.5 375 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 83 375 375 375 375 375 387.5 387.5 387.5 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 84 375 375 375 375 375 400 387.5 387.5 N/A 375 375 375 375 375 375 375 85 375 375 375 375 375 412.5 400 387.5 N/A 375 375 387.5 375 375 375 375 86 375 375 375 375 375 425 412.5 387.5 N/A 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 87 375 375 375 375 375 425 425 412.5 N/A 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 88 375 375 375 375 375 437.5 437.5 412.5 N/A 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 89 375 375 375 375 375 450 450 425 N/A 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 90 375 375 375 375 375 462.5 475 437.5 N/A 375 375 400 375 375 375 375 91 375 375 375 375 375 475 475 450 N/A 375 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 92 375 375 375 375 375 487.5 487.5 462.5 N/A 375 375 412.5 375 375 375 375 93 387.5 375 375 375 375 500 500 475 N/A 375 375 425 375 375 375 375 94 387.5 375 387.5 387.5 375 512.5 512.5 487.5 N/A 387.5 375 425 387.5 375 375 475 95 387.5 375 387.5 387.5 375 525 525 500 N/A 387.5 375 425 387.5 375 375 475 96 387.5 375 387.5 387.5 375 550 550 500 N/A 387.5 375 437.5 387.5 375 375 475 97 400 375 400 400 375 562.5 562.5 525 N/A 400 387.5 437.5 400 375 375 475 98 412.5 375 412.5 412.5 375 575 575 537.5 N/A 412.5 387.5 450 400 375 375 475 99 412.5 375 412.5 425 400 587.5 587.5 550 N/A 412.5 387.5 462.5 412.5 387.5 375 475 100 425 375 425 425 425 587.5 587.5 562.5 N/A 425 387.5 475 425 387.5 375 475 101 437.5 375 425 425 450 600 600 575 N/A 425 400 487.5 425 400 375 475 102 450 375 450 437.5 475 600 600 587.5 N/A 450 412.5 500 425 400 475 475 103 462.5 375 462.5 450 475 600 600 600 N/A 462.5 412.5 500 425 412.5 475 475 104 475 375 475 462.5 475 600 600 600 N/A 475 425 512.5 450 412.5 475 475 105 487.5 375 487.5 475 487.5 600 600 600 N/A 487.5 425 525 462.5 425 475 475 106 500 387.5 500 487.5 487.5 600 600 600 N/A 500 450 537.5 475 425 475 475 107 512.5 387.5 512.5 500 487.5 612.5 612.5 600 N/A 512.5 450 562.5 487.5 437.5 475 500 108 525 387.5 525 500 487.5 625 625 600 N/A 525 462.5 575 500 450 475 500 109 550 400 550 512.5 487.5 625 625 600 N/A 550 475 587.5 500 462.5 475 500 110 562.5 412.5 562.5 525 487.5 625 625 612.5 N/A 562.5 487.5 600 512.5 475 487.5 537.5 111 575 412.5 575 537.5 487.5 625 625 625 N/A 575 500 600 537.5 487.5 487.5 550 112 587.5 425 587.5 550 487.5 625 625 625 N/A 587.5 500 600 550 500 487.5 567.5 113 600 425 600 562.5 487.5 625 625 625 N/A 600 525 600 562.5 512.5 500 567.5 114 600 450 600 575 525 625 625 625 N/A 600 537.5 600 575 512.5 525 575 115 600 462.5 600 587.5 537.5 625 625 625 N/A 600 550 600 587.5 537.5 537.5 575 116 600 475 600 600 550 625 625 625 N/A 600 562.5 600 587.5 550 550 587.5 117 600 487.5 600 600 562.5 625 625 625 N/A 612.5 575 612.5 600 562.5 562.5 587.5 118 612.5 500 612.5 600 575 625 625 625 N/A 625 587.5 625 600 575 575 600 119 625 512.5 625 600 575 625 625 625 N/A 625 587.5 625 600 587.5 587.5 600 120 625 525 625 600 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 600 587.5 587.5 600 121 625 550 625 600 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 600 600 587.5 600 122 625 562.5 625 600 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 612.5 600 587.5 600 123 625 575 625 600 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 625 600 587.5 600 124 625 587.5 625 612.5 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 625 600 587.5 600 125 625 600 625 625 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 625 600 600 612.5 126 625 600 625 625 587.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 600 625 625 600 600 625 127 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A 625 612.5 625 625 625 612.5 625 128 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 129 625 600 625 625 600 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 130 625 612.5 625 625 612.5 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 612.5 625 131 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 132 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 133 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 134 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 135 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 136 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 625 N/A 625 625 625 625 625 625 625

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
See above.

Lastly...Position Drills
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Position Drill

READ THIS FIRST!!
See Above for warnings

Use these values at your own risk. Not FDIC insured. People can and do lose money.

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N/A 400 400 375 375 18 375 475 425 400 375 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 400 400 387.5 387.5 19 375 487.5 437.5 400 375 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 412.5 412.5 400 387.5 20 375 487.5 437.5 412.5 375 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 412.5 412.5 400 400 21 375 500 450 412.5 375 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 425 425 400 400 22 375 500 462.5 425 387.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 425 425 400 400 23 375 512.5 475 425 387.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 437.5 437.5 400 400 24 375 525 475 425 387.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 437.5 437.5 400 400 25 375 537.5 487.5 425 387.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 437.5 437.5 400 400 26 375 550 487.5 437.5 400 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 450 437.5 400 400 27 375 562.5 500 437.5 400 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 462.5 462.5 412.5 412.5 28 375 575 500 437.5 400 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 475 475 425 425 29 375 587.5 512.5 437.5 400 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 487.5 487.5 425 425 30 375 587.5 525 437.5 412.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 487.5 487.5 425 425 31 375 600 537.5 450 412.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 500 512.5 425 437.5 32 375 600 550 462.5 425 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 512.5 512.5 437.5 437.5 33 375 600 562.5 475 425 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 525 525 437.5 437.5 34 375 600 562.5 487.5 425 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 525 525 437.5 437.5 35 375 600 575 487.5 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 537.5 537.5 437.5 437.5 36 375 600 587.5 500 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 562.5 550 450 450 37 375 600 587.5 500 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 575 575 462.5 462.5 38 375 600 587.5 525 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 587.5 587.5 475 475 39 375 612.5 600 525 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 587.5 600 487.5 487.5 40 375 625 600 550 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 487.5 487.5 41 375 625 600 550 437.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 500 512.5 42 375 625 600 575 462.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 512.5 512.5 43 375 625 600 575 475 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 525 525 44 375 625 600 587.5 475 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 525 525 45 375 625 600 600 487.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 537.5 537.5 46 375 625 600 600 500 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 600 562.5 550 47 375 625 600 600 500 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 600 612.5 575 575 48 375 625 612.5 600 512.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 587.5 587.5 49 375 625 625 600 512.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 50 375 625 625 600 525 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 51 375 625 625 600 537.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 52 387.5 625 625 600 537.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 53 400 625 625 612.5 550 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 54 400 625 625 625 562.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 55 400 625 625 625 562.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 56 400 625 625 625 587.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 600 57 412.5 625 625 625 587.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 600 612.5 58 412.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 59 412.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 60 425 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 61 425 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 62 437.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 63 437.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 64 437.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 65 450 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 66 450 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 67 462.5 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 68 475 625 625 625 600 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 69 487.5 625 625 625 612.5 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 70 487.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 71 500 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 72 500 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 73 512.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 74 512.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 75 525 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 76 525 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 77 525 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 78 537.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 79 537.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 80 550 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 81 550 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 82 562.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 83 575 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 84 587.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 85 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 86 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 87 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 88 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 89 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 90 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 91 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 92 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 93 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 94 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 95 600 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 96 612.5 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 97 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 98 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625 99 625 625 625 625 625 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 625 625 625 625

HOW TO INTERPRET THE DATA
See above.

And done.

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Bravo, stretch. I look forward to putting these through some drafts.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:33 AM   #118
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I've used them in my last two drafts. My draft 2 years ago wasn't bad but this year I nabbed a 35/70 DE in the 2nd round.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:56 AM   #119
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How does this differ from just using the red/blue/green numbers in-game and their equivalents in Draft Analyzer / Conscriptor?
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How does this differ from just using the red/blue/green numbers in-game and their equivalents in Draft Analyzer / Conscriptor?

For the first post (the simple version) probably not much.

For the players that aren't color coded, I think it is very valuable to differentiate between a 425 player and a 550 player (for example).

Great combines are really easy to spot; as are really bad ones. It's the unwashed masses in the middle that I think can be differentiated using the more detailed analysis here.

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Your forty speed post just highlights how important the forty is to the WR and CB positions, more so than any other position. These positions ratings starts to dip in the milliseconds while others stay pat.
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...and now we have a fascinating cat in the CCFL draft class. Meet Bryce "Noodle-Arm" Strom







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If I were still in CCFL, I'd give my left and right nut for that guy.
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:44 PM   #124
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What's with the "QB G" in that screenshot, by the way? I don't see that in my game.

Where in the first round did that guy go?
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What's with the "QB G" in that screenshot, by the way? I don't see that in my game.

Some people use some add-ons with FOF, including graphics to make some of the in-game stuff more meaningful. I don't recall whether the letter grades are part of the Stelmack suite (I seem to recall that using a numeric system) but that's the main idea.
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It's part of the Stelmack Suite. Numbers and letters are both options there.


He hasn't been drafted yet.
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Its part of resource patcher. I think you choose the Icy stuff.
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Wow, I've never seen this thread before. Can't believe I missed it. Looks way useful!
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What exactly is an outlier?
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In statistics, an outlier is an observation that is numerically distant from the rest of the data.
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An RB with a bench score of 27 but average combine scores otherwise is a good example of an outlier. A lot of these guys are really good at one thing, which generally makes them potentially more valuable overall than a guy who is average or slightly above average across the board. The chances of a guy with similar extreme outlier numbers in at least one category being worthless are very low.
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An RB with a bench score of 27 but average combine scores otherwise is a good example of an outlier. A lot of these guys are really good at one thing, which generally makes them potentially more valuable overall than a guy who is average or slightly above average across the board. The chances of a guy with similar extreme outlier numbers in at least one category being worthless are very low.

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The chances of a guy with similar extreme outlier numbers in at least one category being worthless are very low.

I have a different view. Sometimes this is true but in general an outlier combine score is only indicative that the player will be outstanding at certain bars and not others.

I really think people should start getting away from looking at combine scores ON THEIR OWN and start to take a more global view. I used to look at this Malcpow thread a lot but only when I starting looking more globally did my drafting take a quantum leap. Now I do not even bother coming to this thread.
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A lot of these guys are really good at one thing, which generally makes them potentially more valuable overall than a guy who is average or slightly above average across the board.

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I have a different view. Sometimes this is true but in general an outlier combine score is only indicative that the player will be outstanding at certain bars and not others.

Umm, I agree?
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I think there is a slight difference there.

Take the example of the crazy 27-bench Dozer McCarthy from the OSFL, mentioned earlier. This was a guy that had ho-hum, but not bad, combines across the board and a bench that was about as good as it possibly gets. He wasn't just some Power Inside specialist, he was a solid creeper that rose across the board -- and the decent combine plus the extreme outlier cemented that. Goes back to this:

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The chances of a guy with similar extreme outlier numbers in at least one category being worthless are very low.

So yes, do look for big-time outliers as indicators of guys who are simply good all around. On the other hand, Malcpow is pretty spot on when he says about the QBs, "even one score outside the constraints can be a bad sign." I think this applies similarly to other positions, maybe not to the same extent. A mid 7.4s guard, for example, who had a very weak dash score -- the agility was red and easily in one of the top brackets, while the dash was green. This guy was not a creeper and just a pass blocking specialist.

The disagreement is just that the chance isn't very low. Even with an extreme outlier, look for other signs to make sure you are actually getting something special and not a one-trick pony. Neither of which would be really bad, I guess -- although if the one-trick pony is a WR with massive courage or an OL who has nothing but BS, those are cases where the utility is going to be pretty limited.
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Umm, I agree?

I think you did not get what I was saying. Aston gets more to the meat of it.

I actually think pure combine drafters are missing the boat. You can be a good drafter if you only look at combines but you are missing a whole other world. It has been proven recently that top value players can have very average combines (think all black). In most multi-player leagues, people can spot those guys now and take them early on. If you are drafting combines only, you will miss these guys and fall behind.
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I really don't think anyone drafts purely on combines anymore.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:02 PM   #138
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I have a doubt. I saw a RB that ran a 4.44 40 yard dash, but had a bad combine performance, like a 9 bench press. Look at his combines:

Rating Adjusted Solecismic Dash Bench Agility BJ Position Drill
3.50 3.70 20 4.44 9 7.27 9' 3" 11

Look at his bars:
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Is he worthy a try as a late round pick? What do you guys think?
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Those bars seem to match the combines: he is fast but not much else. What's the question here?
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:33 PM   #140
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7th round pick maybe. but overall bad combine. id take a flyer on him
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I know this thread is long dead but I just got back into FOF after a 2 year layoff and I wanted to answer a couple of questions:

The method I used to derive the data involved creating a CSV file of players with all the same value for every attribute (375, 400, 425, etc. through 625). I then used the FOF 2004 draft file utility to create a draft file for those players, imported it into FOF 2007 and then used GStelmack's Extractor to pull the combine data for the entire class. Wash, rinse, repeat until I had a full draft class for each position and rating.

I then pulled the data into Excel and started analyzing frequency of each combine value for each attribute (how often a bench of 7 for 625 QBs? None).

At the extremes there were some outliers who skewed the data a bit so I had to fudge those out of existence. For example, there was a 475 CB that had a higher Wonderlic than all 3,000 CBs that were 500, 525, and 550 rated.

It looks like there is, very occasionally, a "workout warrior" who has a particular combine value well above (or below in the case of 40 time and agility) his peers with the same value. These are so rare (3 in 1000 or so), however, that if you find one, it's just horrible luck.

At any rate, I'll go dig up the raw, unfudged data and post it here.
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This thread is hardly dead, it's still a great resource even if posts aren't flowing.
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It looks like there is, very occasionally, a "workout warrior" who has a particular combine value well above (or below in the case of 40 time and agility) his peers with the same value. These are so rare (3 in 1000 or so), however, that if you find one, it's just horrible luck.
I'm actually glad it works that way, but it keeps some uncertainty in the game.
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That'd be fantastic, stretch. Please do.
(I hope you have TCY by the way -- I suppose an easy way to verify is to see if your 625 BPR players have 100 BPR or only 78)
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:02 PM   #145
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:59 PM   #146
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+1. This thread has helped me so much over the years, from when I first read it when I started playing MP, to all the different insights and understandings I drew from it over time. Still got it favorited* and refer to it every draft.

Thanks, MalcPow

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I know this thread is long dead but I just got back into FOF after a 2 year layoff and I wanted to answer a couple of questions:

The method I used to derive the data involved creating a CSV file of players with all the same value for every attribute (375, 400, 425, etc. through 625). I then used the FOF 2004 draft file utility to create a draft file for those players, imported it into FOF 2007 and then used GStelmack's Extractor to pull the combine data for the entire class. Wash, rinse, repeat until I had a full draft class for each position and rating.

I then pulled the data into Excel and started analyzing frequency of each combine value for each attribute (how often a bench of 7 for 625 QBs? None).

At the extremes there were some outliers who skewed the data a bit so I had to fudge those out of existence. For example, there was a 475 CB that had a higher Wonderlic than all 3,000 CBs that were 500, 525, and 550 rated.

It looks like there is, very occasionally, a "workout warrior" who has a particular combine value well above (or below in the case of 40 time and agility) his peers with the same value. These are so rare (3 in 1000 or so), however, that if you find one, it's just horrible luck.

At any rate, I'll go dig up the raw, unfudged data and post it here.

One thing I would look at is the mean and standard deviations of the dataset. I've had some luck with that looking at a 95% interval (mean + 1.96 Stddev) to give myself a confidence interval.
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That'd be fantastic, stretch. Please do.
(I hope you have TCY by the way -- I suppose an easy way to verify is to see if your 625 BPR players have 100 BPR or only 78)

Did you have TCY loaded and licensed (Stretch and other).

I've been able to get consistently 90+ with 625 BPR but don't see the 100BPR.

My guess is the 625 to 100 is a correlated but not exact. Not a true ((x-375)/25)*10.

Would still expect some 100's
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:34 PM   #149
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I don't have TCY loaded and I consistently get 78-79 BPR out of 625. One of the issues with it. I tried installing TCY, but it appears not to work unlicensed (I don't own the game)....which is strange, and makes me feel that maybe there are other issues at play. I mean, surely the draft import function doesn't also check for TCY licenses.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:51 PM   #150
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Just to pop in here, the original research posted was definitely done on a machine with TCY licensed and installed. Plenty of 100 BPRs in that testing with a 625 value entered. You definitely want the X-factor setting off for this kind of work.

Without having looked too closely at the work stretch did, I think it's clear he took the time to peel the curtain back even further in the data he displayed. Good stuff.
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