NFL Week 3 Discussion Thread: Shocker - Vick to start Sunday

[DeToxRox]

6:30 presser according to Comcast Sports twitter.

[DaddyTorgo]

I heard on sportscenter that Kolb was gonna start - maybe he's not fully recovered.

Regardless - who do the Eagles play this coming week? Anybody that can kill Vick (I hope)?

[SackAttack]

Jaguars.

[Travis]

Seeing conflicting reports as to whether this is a full time move or just for this week. I get the sense that some were really trying to read more into Reid's announcement than was there. I'll be curious to catch it on tv later or at least read a transcript.

Given that I've got 3 friends who are all Eagle's fans I'm kind of surprised I haven't gotten a single email on this topic yet :D

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Don't get many Seahawks games out this way. What's the deal with Aaron Curry? Guy was God's gift to football on draft day and I've barely heard his name since.

[molson]

This article makes it sound like "he's the starting QB" as opposed to "Kolb isn't ready yet."

Michael Vick named Philadelphia Eagles' starting QB - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5601286)

I think probably both will play some the rest of the way though.

[Travis]

Don't get many Seahawks games out this way. What's the deal with Aaron Curry? Guy was God's gift to football on draft day and I've barely heard his name since.

He's played very well when Tatupu has been healthy. When Tatupu is out there he basically runs the defense and usually is able to make sure the rest of the guys know where to be and what to be doing.

When Tatupu was out last year, David Hawthorne stepped in and played really well in his place. The only downside was that his ability to direct the defense wasn't nearly on par with that of Tatupu. With all the injuries last year it seemed like Curry tried to shoulder a lot of the load and was exploited numerous times just trying to do too much.

That and to be very honest, the previous coaching group really mishandled a lot of our defensive players, trying to mold them into roles they thought they should play rather than really trying to emphasize their strengths (ie: had Curry playing a lot of coverage rather than attacking the line). It's obviously quite early so far this season but Curry has been looking better with his responsibilities so far so hopefully he's on the cusp of really breaking out.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Good to hear. Seems like a guy who is easy to root for.

[GrantDawg]

This article makes it sound like "he's the starting QB" as opposed to "Kolb isn't ready yet."

Michael Vick named Philadelphia Eagles' starting QB - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5601286)

I think probably both will play some the rest of the way though.


Yeah. Mort is saying it is a permanent football move. Interesting turn of events for sure.

[GrantDawg]

In other news, Norwood (Falcons) tore his ACL and he is out for the year (ie. career. He is toast). Why the Birds didn't pick up a back somewhere before this season, I have no idea. Norwood has always been a disappointment. He would show flashes, and then break down

[Sun Tzu]

I think Vick deserves it. After all, he's a good guy. I mean, it's not like he takes a loaded gun into a nightclub or anything.

[Bigsmooth]

He's played very well when Tatupu has been healthy. When Tatupu is out there he basically runs the defense and usually is able to make sure the rest of the guys know where to be and what to be doing.

When Tatupu was out last year, David Hawthorne stepped in and played really well in his place. The only downside was that his ability to direct the defense wasn't nearly on par with that of Tatupu. With all the injuries last year it seemed like Curry tried to shoulder a lot of the load and was exploited numerous times just trying to do too much.

That and to be very honest, the previous coaching group really mishandled a lot of our defensive players, trying to mold them into roles they thought they should play rather than really trying to emphasize their strengths (ie: had Curry playing a lot of coverage rather than attacking the line). It's obviously quite early so far this season but Curry has been looking better with his responsibilities so far so hopefully he's on the cusp of really breaking out.

Hate to disagree completely with your take Travis, but I do. Curry has been a huge disappointment. He has zero awareness, is totally lost in space and hasn't made a solo open-field tackle since about week 4 last season. True, losing Tatupu was huge and slowed the growth of Curry but it appears to me, and many others on Seattle blogs, that Curry will never become a playmaker. Look at the way the new staff is using him. They are basically lining him up over the TE just to set the edge against the run. He is decent at this considering his size and strength. Great, I guess, but you can pretty much find a guy to fill that role off the street. Also, he has shown little to no ability to rush the passer coming off the edge. He has already been called for offsides 4 times this season and IMO is just not smart enough or instinctive enough to be a difference maker in the NFL.

Traditionally, a LB'er will make an impact from day 1 if he has "it", especially a guy taken in the top 5. Look at Cushing and Clay Matthews, for example. Watch tape of Cushing and watch tape of Curry and it is mind blowing how much better an OLB Cushing is in every conceivable way. Obviously I'm hoping, shit, praying, that Curry will become worthy of the 4th pick but it's not looking good.

I guess the bright side is that Seattle was not the only team to miss on him. He was a consensus top 10 pick.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

There were rumors he was going #1 overall.

[Eaglesfan27]

This article makes it sound like "he's the starting QB" as opposed to "Kolb isn't ready yet."

Michael Vick named Philadelphia Eagles' starting QB - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5601286)

I think probably both will play some the rest of the way though.

:banghead:

[stevew]

I wish I would have gotten Vick banned from our fantasy league. Goddell might be soft but we didn't have to be. Eagles and Bills need to work out a Kolb for Lynch/Jackson plus a pick trade. Kolb is done in Philly.

[stevew]

Fuck Andy Reid too. No wonder he has derelict children.

[Dr. Sak]

With the Eagles crappy OLine...Vick is the only way they have a legit chance to win.

[Logan]

There were rumors he was going #1 overall.

Pretty sure he was willing to take a very low price (for a #1, would still be more than he made at his slot).

[ISiddiqui]

With the Eagles crappy OLine...Vick is the only way they have a legit chance to win.

Kinda similar situation as when Vick was in Atlanta... a drop back passer gets killed with the OLine the Falcons had in those days.

[Honolulu_Blue]

There were rumors he was going #1 overall.

This is very true. If the majority of Detroit Lions' fans had their way that draft day, he would have been taken over Stafford.

[Honolulu_Blue]

As for the Vick thing. He looked great against the Lions. But, then again, every QB looks great against the Lions. From what I heard, however, he also looked pretty good against Green Bay.

Speaking of QBs that look great against the Lions. The Lions have never beaten Favre when Favre was playing at home. They haven't won in Minneapolis since 1997.

[Ksyrup]

Vick's success against GB was chocked up to him playing the 2nd half against a tired D that couldn't contain his running ability. But that was before the Vick hype machine started up, so I'm sure people are revising their opinions of what they saw.

[Mustang]

So, Philadelphia Daily News declares Vick 'Top Dog' on their sports page.

Stay classy.

[Lathum]

wow

horrible headline...

[Sun Tzu]

Awesome

[albionmoonlight]

Big game for the Falcons. Playing the Saints in New Orleans after the Saints have a short week and lose Bush. And the Falcons seemed to find their mojo last week.

If Atlanta is as good as their preseason hype, this is the kind of road game that they should win. It won't be easy. But the really good teams are supposed to win, even when it is not easy.

[Logan]

Vick's success against GB was chocked up to him playing the 2nd half against a tired D that couldn't contain his running ability. But that was before the Vick hype machine started up, so I'm sure people are revising their opinions of what they saw.

Who "chocked up" his game in that way? People in the PHI organization who were finding excuses as to why Kolb was ineffective but Vick wasn't?

Luckily for Vick, he'll continue to play against defenses in the 2nd half that get tired and can't contain his rushing ability.

[DeToxRox]

Vick is absolutely the right start for the Eagles. Their OL is just brutal. Lions still had 5 or 6 sacks vs Vick but honestly should have had a half dozen more. Kolb has shown in his brief time he struggles with the rush and would honestly he would have been sacked ten + times on Sunday.

Should be noted that PFT is reporting the Browns inquired on Kolb last night. Obviously he isn't going anywhere but I wonder what the Eagles do in the offseason.

[cuervo72]

chalk up - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/chalk+up)

[Suicane75]

Vick's success against GB was chocked up to him playing the 2nd half against a tired D that couldn't contain his running ability. But that was before the Vick hype machine started up, so I'm sure people are revising their opinions of what they saw.

This is simply not correct. Vick was crisp as a kitten throwing the ball from the time Kolb went out.

[stevew]

Browns need to get in on Kolb.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i think the reality was the pack gameplanned for kolb and lost-a-step-vick and got neither.

vick looks sharp. i'd start him over 90% of the qb's in the league. that said, i think the trade kolb talk is crazy unless it's being initiated by kolb.

[molson]

So, Philadelphia Daily News declares Vick 'Top Dog' on their sports page.

Stay classy.

I wonder if it's kind of tongue-in-cheek. Just a friendly little reminder that Vick, you know, thinks its awesome to hang dogs from the ceiling and electrocute them, and drown them. I think that's been lost a bit in the Vick-mania of the last few weeks. Let's not completely forget the monster this guy is just because he gets to run around with a ball again.

[Kodos]

Yep. One should never forget what a POS he is off the field.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yep. One should never forget what a POS he is off the field.

Apparently we live in a world where, even if people remember, they simply are too low down to care ... as long as he's got a decent passer rating.

[Scoobz0202]

But he's so fun to watch!

[Sun Tzu]

i'd start him over 90% of the qb's in the league.

This can't be a serious statement. You'd start him over all but 3, maybe 4 QB's? You're out of your mind. The guy was mediocre at best in his prime, which has long since passed. The best QB rating he has ever posted was 81.6, which is .1 better than Alex Smith posted last year. He has thrown 71 passes since 2006. Moses Moreno threw more passes than that in a 3 year span. C'mon man, get a grip.

[Matthean]

Apparently we live in a world where, even if people remember, they simply are too low down to care ... as long as he's got a decent passer rating.

Welcome to the life of the famous. Entertain us and all is forgiven. Now, if Vick could just play against the Lions defense every week.

[sabotai]

Are you not entertained!? Is this not why you are here!?

[JonInMiddleGA]

But he's so fun to watch!

The only "fun" thing I can imagine watching Vick do is dying in a slow & excruciating fashion.

Otherwise, I'd prefer to forget he exists.

[Matthean]

"Vick said he feels 10 times better than he did 4 years ago. You know who doesn't feel 10 times better then they did four yeas ago? Those dogs he killed." - guest host on the Jim Rome show. I probably paraphrased some of it, but it cracked me up.

[DeToxRox]

Apparently Vincent Jackson is going to the Skins.

I haven't seen a link but saw some twitter posts saying it's a Yahoo story.

[DeToxRox]

Dola, I guess the radio station breaking this story is owned by Dan Snyder.

[Sun Tzu]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/shanahan-denies-vincent-jackso.html

[Lathum]

cue I would certainly start him over Eli Manning comment...

[Lathum]

dola- Vick is a piece of shit, and while I respect his right to earn a living and play in the NFL I would like nothing more than to see him concussed repeatedly until he doesn't know his own name.

that or just take a big hit and die on the field.

[Sun Tzu]

Vick is better off putting on 30 lbs and playing HB. If he did that, I'd have no qualms with starting him over, say, Brandon Jacobs.

[stevew]

Chances are, if you wear #7 and are a professional QB in PA, I fucking hate you and hope you get crushed on the field.

[Lathum]

Vick is better off putting on 30 lbs and playing HB. If he did that, I'd have no qualms with starting him over, say, Brandon Jacobs.

well played

[DaddyTorgo]

I wonder if it's kind of tongue-in-cheek. Just a friendly little reminder that Vick, you know, thinks its awesome to hang dogs from the ceiling and electrocute them, and drown them. I think that's been lost a bit in the Vick-mania of the last few weeks. Let's not completely forget the monster this guy is just because he gets to run around with a ball again.

Yep. One should never forget what a POS he is off the field.

The only "fun" thing I can imagine watching Vick do is dying in a slow & excruciating fashion.

Otherwise, I'd prefer to forget he exists.

"Vick said he feels 10 times better than he did 4 years ago. You know who doesn't feel 10 times better then they did four yeas ago? Those dogs he killed." - guest host on the Jim Rome show. I probably paraphrased some of it, but it cracked me up.

dola- Vick is a piece of shit, and while I respect his right to earn a living and play in the NFL I would like nothing more than to see him concussed repeatedly until he doesn't know his own name.

that or just take a big hit and die on the field.

Chances are, if you wear #7 and are a professional QB in PA, I fucking hate you and hope you get crushed on the field.

Agreed with all these statements.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

You'd start him over all but 3, maybe 4 QB's?
yes, i would. but i possess unparalleled football acumen. my brilliance is often bewildering to the profane.

[Edward64]

I am on my second dog so I definitely don't like what Vick did.

But he has technically paid his debt to society. I am willing to give him a second chance in the NFL, earning a fair wage based on his talent, assuming he doesn't regress to torturing animals and doing the ron mexico thing.

[Mustang]

Vincent Jackson isn't going anywhere until week 6 at least since he is out until week 6 now that he wasn't traded.

[stevew]

I am on my second dog so I definitely don't like what Vick did.

But he has technically paid his debt to society. I am willing to give him a second chance in the NFL, earning a fair wage based on his talent, assuming he doesn't regress to torturing animals and doing the ron mexico thing.

Quanis Phillips just tripped and bumped into a bullet?

[yacovfb]

Vincent Jackson isn't going anywhere until week 6 at least since he is out until week 6 now that he wasn't traded.

I highly doubt he gets dealt at this point as AJ's not going to lower his demands. If that's the case, Jackson is going to sit out the year.

After the new CBA comes out I hope the Chargers can and choose to franchise him - the guy wants to be paid like a top 5 WR yet the Chargers' demands of being compensated as such are unreasonable. :lol: He might have a long term contract already if he weren't a complete and utter moron on and off the field.

[Edward64]

Quanis Phillips just tripped and bumped into a bullet?
Is that case still pending? I thought Godell cleared him.

[JPhillips]

Quanis Phillips just tripped and bumped into a bullet?

You know better than that. Covering up a murder isn't enough to lose playing time.

cough*RayLewis*cough

[Suburban Rhythm]

PING Galaril

James Harrison got fined $5,000 today for that pile-driver tackle on VY.

[k0ruptr]

Quanis Phillips just tripped and bumped into a bullet?

Michael Vick Shot him? I though Vick wasn't even there when he got shot, his brother was? Am I out dated on my Vick news?

[SirFozzie]

San Diego Chargers=Idiots.

They really had no interest in trading him, the offers from the Vikes and otherwhere were good (#2 and conditional #3), so they're going to bring him in late season where he's pissed off at the world and blow up the locker room where they may be fighting for their playoff life... this was a move to punish the player, cost him a couple more game checks.

This is why the Chargers are not a big time team.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You know better than that. Covering up a murder isn't enough to lose playing time.

cough*RayLewis*cough

+1

[Desnudo]

San Diego Chargers=Idiots.

They really had no interest in trading him, the offers from the Vikes and otherwhere were good (#2 and conditional #3), so they're going to bring him in late season where he's pissed off at the world and blow up the locker room where they may be fighting for their playoff life... this was a move to punish the player, cost him a couple more game checks.

This is why the Chargers are not a big time team.

Don't forget Norv Turner

[Warhammer]

Ever since this new GM took over, the Chargers have been in a slow decline...

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Classy line by Jackson's agent too "Lord of no rings."

Way to make sure your client does not get paid.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Excellent article by Woody Paige about the McKinley suicide. Woody admits he's faced depression and thoughts of suicide in the past.

Paige: We must learn from McKinley's death - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16149407)

[Mike D]

Chances are, if you wear #7 and are a professional QB in PA, I fucking hate you and hope you get crushed on the field.

Defenses should be allowed to taser his ass for the sack.

[Mike D]

San Diego Chargers=Idiots.

They really had no interest in trading him, the offers from the Vikes and otherwhere were good (#2 and conditional #3), so they're going to bring him in late season where he's pissed off at the world and blow up the locker room where they may be fighting for their playoff life... this was a move to punish the player, cost him a couple more game checks.

This is why the Chargers are not a big time team.

Didn't they offer VJ something like $4M??? What's wrong with that?

[TroyF]

Haynesworth now says that signing the 100+ million dollar deal does not make him a slave.

Albert. . . the slaves got a hard bed and bad food for their troubles, they didn't make 100 million dollars and get treated like royalty. You know that stomp you did a few years ago? It wouldn't have been a week suspension from your slave job.

Seriously, this guy is a moron. We all knew that, but he seems intent on trying to prove it more every day.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Haynesworth now says that signing the 100+ million dollar deal does not make him a slave.

Albert. . . the slaves got a hard bed and bad food for their troubles, they didn't make 100 million dollars and get treated like royalty. You know that stomp you did a few years ago? It wouldn't have been a week suspension from your slave job.

Seriously, this guy is a moron. We all knew that, but he seems intent on trying to prove it more every day.

:D

[DeToxRox]

Ever since this new GM took over, the Chargers have been in a slow decline...

Chargers still draft very well, but they have no loyalty to their players.

Edit: This is not posted to give props to LT, I cannot stand LT and I think he deserved to be cut, but SD refuses to take care of its franchise LT amongst other issues. They just let players hang on the vine which is going to cost them in the long run.

[Lathum]

They just need to cut him.

He should try going and working a normal job for 35K a year like the majority of the country does.

[miami_fan]

Haynesworth now says that signing the 100+ million dollar deal does not make him a slave.

Albert. . . the slaves got a hard bed and bad food for their troubles, they didn't make 100 million dollars and get treated like royalty. You know that stomp you did a few years ago? It wouldn't have been a week suspension from your slave job.

Seriously, this guy is a moron. We all knew that, but he seems intent on trying to prove it more every day.

I think this is just another step in his " What can I do to get Shanahan to cut me from this team right now?" campaign.

Not excusing his statements and yes he is a moron. I just can't get too worked up about comments that I believe are made solely to cause more headaches for the head coach and convince him to move him to another club.

[Scoobz0202]

How accurate are the 506's NFL TV maps? Trying to figure out if I should prepare to go to a bar at 1:00 for the Dallas. I live on a lake, and it says the east side of the lake will get Minny while the west side will get Dallas. I live on the west side. This is a three-five mile lake.

[Lathum]

How accurate are the 506's NFL TV maps? Trying to figure out if I should prepare to go to a bar at 1:00 for the Dallas. I live on a lake, and it says the east side of the lake will get Minny while the west side will get Dallas. I live on the west side. This is a three-five mile lake.

I've never had a problem with them but why not go to a bar anyway, there could be worse places to spend a Sunday afternoon ( or morning in my case).

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i won't comment on the drama but after seeing washington's first 2 games i can say definitively there couldn't be a worse fit for that d. the nt is supposed hold his position and take on blocks. a.h. tries to swim and gets pushed to one side or the other leaving huge holes.

they try to only play him on passing downs but a smart qb will see him in there and check to a draw/run.

what a waste.

[Raiders Army]

An emotional Josh McDaniels said Kenny McKinley was "tough to yell at" during a memorial for McKinley on Friday. McKinley died of an apparent suicide Monday. McKinley was 23. The second-year receiver was on the injured reserve.
Classy! That's like saying, he "did what he was told to do" or "not a bad guy". I can't imagine that his family wants to hear that McKinley was tough to yell at...but he got yelled at.

[Lathum]

Classy! That's like saying, he "did what he was told to do" or "not a bad guy". I can't imagine that his family wants to hear that McKinley was tough to yell at...but he got yelled at.

Not what I get from that comment.

[larrymcg421]

Football players get yelled at. Good ones, bad ones, mediocre ones. I think the family of any athlete understands this.

[larrymcg421]

RIP Kenny McKinley

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[Lathum]

WTF Eli.

[JS19]

Oh Eli... Been watching too much Brett Favre tape.

[JS19]

I know it's early yet, but the Giants defense looks to be playing with a lot more intensity than the previous 2 weeks.

[GrantDawg]

Dear Saints,

Run the flea-flicker again

Signed,
Falcons Secondary

[kingfc22]

What a clusterfuck this season is turning into...

[Greyroofoo]

You stay classy Brandon Jacobs

[miami_fan]

You stay classy Brandon Jacobs

What he do this time?

[JS19]

What he do this time?

Nothing. He had a nice run and got off the ground with a little emotion, somewhat getting tangled up with the defender.

[cmp]

Can we please change that roughing call? It's getting really stupid.

[JS19]

17 carries thus far for Chris Johnson, with 3 minutes left in the 1st half. He's getting hit hard and often, see how he holds up in the second half.

[Lathum]

You stay classy Brandon Jacobs

Nice pile on.

Titans have been taking cheap shots all game and Jacobs got tired of it.

[Thomkal]

Carolina/Cincy game is a mess-it's been raining, field torn up and its caused 3 turnovers at least already including back to back INT's. Carson Palmer, surprisingly looks very uncomfortable in the rain throwing a couple INT already and could have been two or three more. Clausen hasn't looked any better with a botched snap fumble and an INT. Panthers haven't been able to get the run game going enough to give him time to get into the flow of the game

[Thomkal]

oh and to me at least a pretty clear fumble by TO that looked like Carolina would challenge, but instead they tried to review forward progress on that 3rd down play...only to be told they couldn't challenge forward progress. And carolina turns over it again-not Clausen's fault this time at least.

[Thomkal]

god cincy completely blows it after they recover the fumble near the endzone-time running out, they have timeouts left, players don't get back in line on time and the quarter ends without them being able to run the play and probably score

[JPhillips]

The Bengals offense looks no better than last year. I'd like to think Palmer could be better with a new coordinator, but after last year and these first three games I'm not sure.

[Galaril]

PING Galaril

James Harrison got fined $5,000 today for that pile-driver tackle on VY.

Yeah, thanks I saw that but to be honest that was les than he should of got but hey we all now if it had happended to Peyton or Brady it would have been 15k. No problem all it really means is VY needs to play better and wins some rings to get those calls.

[Galaril]

17 carries thus far for Chris Johnson, with 3 minutes left in the 1st half. He's getting hit hard and often, see how he holds up in the second half.

Yeah, Fisher is a moron they need a second back geez. They got the guy Javon Ringer who would be a star if Fisher gaving the damn ball more. CJ will not resign with the Titans I am sure since he has asked for more money they dicked him around and now this debacle with just running up the middle. I won't hold it against either. I am happy overall with the Titans defense and the nastiness they are showing. The offense woof open up the play book Heimerdinger.

[Galaril]

Not what I get from that comment.

Yeah, me either but what would you expect from a sensitive raiders follower:)

[Galaril]

Nice pile on.

Titans have been taking cheap shots all game and Jacobs got tired of it.

Cheap shots apparently are not the domain of the Titans only after that going for the knees shot by Bradshaw and the safety.

[SirFozzie]

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


@%&U@)(%&@)%&@#)%&)@#%&)@%&@ Patriots! *starts foaming at the mouth*

[Galaril]

Great throw from VY to Kenny Brit. Glad to see Brit make get his first TD of his career.

[kingfc22]

And the Niners look like the same team that played against SEA.

1st down - Run up the middle for 1 yard.
2nd down - Run up the middle for 1 yd.
3rd down - clusterfuck no matter what play called
PUNT

Get a fucking clue Jimmy Raye!

[larrymcg421]

I hope Buffalo loses by 1. Sissies.

[miami_fan]

I don't usually have a big problem with announcers but I have always liked Brian Billick's analysis. He seems to have regressed to cliche, rah rah guy.

[Lathum]

Fuck my life

[Suburban Rhythm]

I wonder if anyone in the world has Charlie Batch on their fantasy roster, let alone started him. 3 TDs vs Tampa so far.

[rowech]

The Bengals offense looks no better than last year. I'd like to think Palmer could be better with a new coordinator, but after last year and these first three games I'm not sure.

They need a new offensive coordinator. Their offense is beyond predictable. Their pass plays are all five yard outs and seven yard slants. Their run plays are all off left tackle. On 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2, they will pass, often times without Benson even being int he game just to threaten the run. Teams cannot possibly think it's a difficult offense to cover. All they see is a standard 4-3 set every week with secondary playing short zone along with LBers.

I don't think Palmer will ever be an elite QB again but he's certainly not as bad as they've seen lately. They just keep running the same shit over and over and over and over and over...

[Greyroofoo]

Fuck my life

Don't worry, Eli just hasn't gonna into clutch mode yet.




And be thankful you aren't a Lion's fan.

[Greyroofoo]

dola, so when does the Stafford era begin in Detroit?

[kingfc22]

And be thankful you aren't a Niners fan.

Fixed that for you.

[Lathum]

Giants completely self destructing. The horrible int aside a great day from Eli is being wasted.

[sovereignstar]

dola, so when does the Stafford era begin in Detroit?

Uh, he's injured???

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wonder if anyone in the world has Charlie Batch on their fantasy roster, let alone started him. 3 TDs vs Tampa so far.

ESPN public league data shows him starting in 0.1% of leagues, owned in 0.4% of leagues.

edit to add: QB's started more frequently include Leinart, Delhomme, and Dennis Dixon, QB's started today at the same 0.1% rate include Daunte Culpepper !

[MJ4H]

go chefs

[Galaril]

Man the Giants are just handing us this game.

[JPhillips]

I'm watching NFL.com gamecast. How did the Bengals punt -30 yds?

edit: Now they fixed it.

[Northwood_DK]

Falcons - Saints is a great game

[General Mike]

FireTomCoughlin.com

[Greyroofoo]

You stay classy Mckenzie

[Galaril]

That will be game.

[Galaril]

You stay classy Mckenzie

Dumbiest play of the day. The refe was standing 3 feet from them.

[Galaril]

17 carries thus far for Chris Johnson, with 3 minutes left in the 1st half. He's getting hit hard and often, see how he holds up in the second half.

Well we got our answer he had 56 yards ion the furst half and 56 yard sin the 4th quarter but still would prefer they decrease his carries.

[Greyroofoo]

I keep praying (I'm an atheist) that the Giants defense would leave Phil Simms speechless, but so far it hasn't happened.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Chiefs are showing how easy the game can be when you have a great defense and two top-notch RB's in the backfield. Pepper in some outstanding rookies and it appears we've got a playoff team on our hands.

The bye week will feel like a fourth win after this 3-0 start.

[yacovfb]

Pepper in some outstanding rookies and it appears we've got a playoff team on our hands.

The bye week will feel like a fourth win after this 3-0 start.

It's been a nice start for KC but I'd refer to last year's Denver team when you want to start talking about playoffs this early in the season. :popcorn:

[DaddyTorgo]

This Pats defense sucks.

I understand they're young, and they need to learn the system and all that, but if you have a hugely young secondary and LB's you think you'd make sure you could pressure the QB to relieve some of the pressure on them. But they can't even do that. They're pretty much inept at everything.

If this team is going to have a shot at getting into the playoffs or going anywhere, they're going to need to make some serious improvements by the end of the year.

Fuck - Ryan Fitzpatrick has put up 30pts on them. That's fucking embarrassing.

[kingfc22]

How do you not punt Atlanta.

You're only up by 3 and give Brees a short field to tie.

[larrymcg421]

Okay, so I can understand not going for two early in the 3rd quarter, but why not do it when you're down 15 and you score with 4:09 left in the game? What's the drawback?

[Galaril]

This Pats defense sucks.

I understand they're young, and they need to learn the system and all that, but if you have a hugely young secondary and LB's you think you'd make sure you could pressure the QB to relieve some of the pressure on them. But they can't even do that. They're pretty much inept at everything.

If this team is going to have a shot at getting into the playoffs or going anywhere, they're going to need to make some serious improvements by the end of the year.

Fuck - Ryan Fitzpatrick has put up 30pts on them. That's fucking embarrassing.


Yeah how do you give up 400 yards to the BILLS?

[kingfc22]

Okay, so I can understand not going for two early in the 3rd quarter, but why not do it when you're down 15 and you score with 4:09 left in the game? What's the drawback?


If you don't get the two points, then you are down 9 which means you STILL need two more scores.

Go for one to make it 8 and it only takes one score plus the 2-pt to tie.

[larrymcg421]

If you don't get the two points, then you are down 9 which means you STILL need two more scores.

Go for one to make it 8 and it only takes one score plus the 2-pt to tie.

Right but you need to go for two no matter what. Why not do it on the first possession? Then you know whether you'll still need two more scores or one more score. You can adjust your offense accordingly.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

It's been a nice start for KC but I'd refer to last year's Denver team when you want to start talking about playoffs this early in the season. :popcorn:

We're fans. We don't have to do anything but be excited for our teams.

With that said, I'd also note that this KC team is winning MUCH differently than Denver early last season. A great running game and great defense is still the best way to win in the NFL. Over the past 20 years in the NFL, teams that have gone 3-0 have made the playoffs 75% of the time. Denver is the exception, not the rule.

[kingfc22]

And for the 2nd time in the 3 week old NFL season, the Niners have put out the worst performance.

I'll guarantee a loss next week in Atlanta to get to 0-4 as this team is HORRIBLE on the road.

[JPhillips]

Well fuck me, the Bengals may still piss this way.

[kcchief19]

I wonder if anyone in the world has Charlie Batch on their fantasy roster, let alone started him. 3 TDs vs Tampa so far.
(raises hand)

Of course it's in a 12-team, 25-man roster league with two starting QBs each week. I picked him up for an emergency start since I'm only carrying two QBs right now and my No. 2 is hurt. I was just hoping for a point or two, so this was a bonus.

[jeff061]

Fuck - Ryan Fitzpatrick has put up 30pts on them. That's fucking embarrassing.

I don't know, according to the announcers he's the second coming of Marino.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Congrats, Mike Singletary! You decided to score a meaningless touchdown rather than let the clock run out and as a result now have an injured wide receiver on the field. Moron.

[kcchief19]

Down 31-3 Singletary calls timeout with 3 seconds left to try and score. Alex Smith hits Josh Morgan for a TD. Morgan appears to have hurt his knee on the play.

If I were the Niners I'd fire Singletary in the locker room after this game. Team got beat, dumb strategy, idiotic play at the end gets a guy hurt. What a dumbass.

[cuervo72]

WTF are you punting from the 36, Andy?

[Lathum]

Insert cliche about it's football and you play hard to the final whistle

[kingfc22]

LOL @Garret Heartly.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Am I the only one that sees Darryl Tapp's Jersey is #91 on the front but #81 on the back?

[Matthean]

Fixed that for you.

SF still has a better chance at wins than the Lions do. Granted, that's in vast part due to the NFC West being a joke.

[kcchief19]

Insert cliche about it's football and you play hard to the final whistle
Insert cliche about not wanting to get anyone hurt on a meaningless play at the end of a blowout.

[Lathum]

Insert cliche about not wanting to get anyone hurt on a meaningless play at the end of a blowout.

Oh I agree, I can just see Singeltary saying some stupid cliche

[Alan T]

Woo hoo!

[GrantDawg]

How do you not punt Atlanta.

You're only up by 3 and give Brees a short field to tie.


I didn't get that, either. He was going for it on 4th down pretty much all day, but that was not the time. 20+ yards is a world of difference in that situation. Very fortunate the Saints have a horrible kicker, or that would have been a loss out of a great game.

[Greyroofoo]

Embarrassing to have the ball bounce off your return man Denver.

[Glengoyne]

Gradkowski is daring to make me hope in the Raiders. I gave up long ago,given my hatred of Al Davis, but I could maybe root for guy like Gradkowski.


Nah. Who am I kidding? Davis will screw this up.

[Greyroofoo]

Gradkowski is daring to make me hope in the Raiders. I gave up long ago,given my hatred of Al Davis, but I could maybe root for guy like Gradkowski.


Nah. Who am I kidding? Davis will screw this up.

Gotta love a player from Toledo.

[Chief Rum]

I could blame Hartley for costing me a shot at a $1000 (risking only $20) today, and he deserves blame. But right now for me, it's all about some awful decisions by the Saints coaching staff.

[Suburban Rhythm]

From week one thread

Whee. I have a bet with my boss, the Steelers fan. He thinks they'll go at least 3-1 in their first four games.

I hope you don't have to do anything too embarrassing at work.

[miami_fan]

Insert cliche about it's football and you play hard to the final whistle

This is exactly what I was thinking. Something along the lines of if he doesn't call the timeout and try to score, he will be quitting on his team.

[Danny]

Tune into the Seahawks-Chargers reviewathon, donations being accepted!

[Mike D]

Just got back from the Bucs/Steelers game. The Bucs have been firmly placed back to reality. But I think the most memorable point of the game for me, my first as a Tampa resident, was that I felt like I travelled to Pittsburgh. The crowd was 50/50 and by the end of the game it was about 75/25 in favor of the Steelers. Basically, I felt like I was at a Clippers game...

[Desnudo]

This Pats defense sucks.

I understand they're young, and they need to learn the system and all that, but if you have a hugely young secondary and LB's you think you'd make sure you could pressure the QB to relieve some of the pressure on them. But they can't even do that. They're pretty much inept at everything.

If this team is going to have a shot at getting into the playoffs or going anywhere, they're going to need to make some serious improvements by the end of the year.

Fuck - Ryan Fitzpatrick has put up 30pts on them. That's fucking embarrassing.

They need to hire a defensive coordinator. It's clear Belichick doesn't make the adjustments he needs to week to week or in-game. I saw a stat where Sanchez was absolutely shredding the zone last week and the Patriots made no adjustment to compensate.

They should be able to do better with the personnel they have. They aren't great, but they shouldn't be this bad.

[Desnudo]

Tune into the Seahawks-Chargers reviewathon, donations being accepted!

I'd forgotten the Pete Carroll experience until the halftime clock mgmt cluster. The Seahawks will be ok as long as they have a veteran QB, then Carroll's lack of discipline will kill them.

[Matthean]

Just got back from the Bucs/Steelers game. The Bucs have been firmly placed back to reality. But I think the most memorable point of the game for me, my first as a Tampa resident, was that I felt like I travelled to Pittsburgh. The crowd was 50/50 and by the end of the game it was about 75/25 in favor of the Steelers. Basically, I felt like I was at a Clippers game...

Try going to a Lions game when they host the Packers. And yes, this happens on a yearly basis.

[DaddyTorgo]

They need to hire a defensive coordinator. It's clear Belichick doesn't make the adjustments he needs to week to week or in-game. I saw a stat where Sanchez was absolutely shredding the zone last week and the Patriots made no adjustment to compensate.

They should be able to do better with the personnel they have. They aren't great, but they shouldn't be this bad.

I agree. I think he's just spread too thin. I mean sure there's guys who are coaching the defense and the offense, but there's nobody else helping to "scheme" on a high level with him. Because no doubt he's great at that high-level scheming, but he's spread too thin to be able to implement any of it.

There's been a lot of talk on the radio lately on whether it's some sort of ego-thing with him or what, but I think he really does need those other voices to help coach the young guys up, and also to bounce ideas off of as far as adjustments and stuff.

It's going to be a long fucking season.

[Desnudo]

I agree. I think he's just spread too thin. I mean sure there's guys who are coaching the defense and the offense, but there's nobody else helping to "scheme" on a high level with him. Because no doubt he's great at that high-level scheming, but he's spread too thin to be able to implement any of it.

There's been a lot of talk on the radio lately on whether it's some sort of ego-thing with him or what, but I think he really does need those other voices to help coach the young guys up, and also to bounce ideas off of as far as adjustments and stuff.

It's going to be a long fucking season.

I think you're right that the scheming is good since they are usually decent in the first half. Then he doesn't have the bandwidth to observe and make halftime adjustments in detail and they get killed in the second half.

Also would add that I think he's used up his SB goodwill at this point and someone needs to step in and splash some water on his face.

[SackAttack]

So, uh, anybody have Leon Washington in their fantasy squad this week?

[SackAttack]

Janiwowski.

[Thomkal]

My beloved Cardinals win over Oakland by a point despite Derek Anderson having just 12 completions...um yeah?

[k0ruptr]

The fucking chargers just love starting off the season crappy huh? the last 4 years at least they have been .500 or under after 4 weeks. And then they go on some stupid 8 game win streak and make the playoffs. I hate them

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Janiwowski.
3 missed fg's including the game winner. although the real highlight of the day was his attempted tackle on the kick return td in which he looked like a toddler running on ice.

keep your chin up seabass. both of them.

[k0ruptr]

Shocking news:

The New Orleans Saints will work out some free-agent kickers at some point this week, according to SI.com's Peter King.

Read more: NFL News and Rumors - Hot off the Wire Fantasy Football News (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz10gTzWTvN)

[larrymcg421]

Terrible start for the Dolphins. Can someone tell me why they're running play action passes on 3rd and 13?

[RendeR]

Right but you need to go for two no matter what. Why not do it on the first possession? Then you know whether you'll still need two more scores or one more score. You can adjust your offense accordingly.


Because you don't go for 2 until you ABSOLUTELY have to. Why? because as you yourself pointed out, if you miss you have to score TWICE MORE.

You get within 1 score, THEN you worry about scoring and making the 2 pointer.

[Atocep]

Terrible start for the Dolphins. Can someone tell me why they're running play action passes on 3rd and 13?

Must have been a play leftover from the Wannstedt days.

[Logan]

Great throw from VY to Kenny Brit. Glad to see Brit make get his first TD of his career.

Britt had 3 TDs last year including this ridiculous catch to win a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXoK4Rb62k

[Bigsmooth]

So, uh, anybody have Leon Washington in their fantasy squad this week?

I think in most leagues those return TD's will only help you if you started the Hawks D/ST.

[miami_fan]

WTF. Cover the fucking tight end!

[RendeR]

Miami forgot to show up today.

[Galaril]

Britt had 3 TDs last year including this ridiculous catch to win a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXoK4Rb62k

Shit what the hell was I thinking. Thanks.

[larrymcg421]

Because you don't go for 2 until you ABSOLUTELY have to. Why? because as you yourself pointed out, if you miss you have to score TWICE MORE.

But that extra score comes into play whether you miss the two point conversion on the first or second score.

You get within 1 score, THEN you worry about scoring and making the 2 pointer.

Okay, let me put it like this. Down by 15, you have to go for two no matter what. If you miss that two (no matter which score you go for it on), then you're gonna need to score three total times to win the game. Why on earth do you want to wait until later to get that information?

If you miss the two on the first score, then you know you need to hurry up. If you make it, then you can be more conservative. If you wait to go for two on the second score, then you don't really know what you need to do. You might still need two scores or you might just need one.

[larrymcg421]

Oh and I didn't like that hit to the head call against Clemons. The guy's head is much higher once Clemons goes in for the hit, then it starts to come lower until contact is made. How is Clemons supposed to avoid that?

[jbergey22]

This Wilson for the Jets may be the worst cornerback I have ever seen in the NFL.

[RendeR]

Oh and I didn't like that hit to the head call against Clemons. The guy's head is much higher once Clemons goes in for the hit, then it starts to come lower until contact is made. How is Clemons supposed to avoid that?


He's supposed to have his eyes open and be looking at the guy he wants to hit, If he sees its going to be head to head then he's gotta make some attempt to veer off, slow up, something.

I don't think he really had time enough to do anything either, but thats the gist of the rule. it boils down to "keep your eyes open and don't hit someone in the head"

[Greyroofoo]

So Peyton Money is on pace for 48 TDs, 5400 passing yards, and has yet to throw a pick.

Is another MVP in his future?

[Bigsmooth]

This Wilson for the Jets may be the worst cornerback I have ever seen in the NFL.

Yeah I was just wondering how many games he will cost the Jets considering Rex apparently has no qualms leaving him on an island in coverage.

[Lathum]

Giants played dreadful today. The most undisciplined football team I have ever seen. They had a shot to win and absolutely gave the game away. It seems to me Coughlin has lost the locker room. Undisciplined play, players mouthing off, etc...

I can handle losing to a better team, but todays display was unwatchable. Guys like Manning, Boss, Tuck, Bradshaw, deserve better.

[JPhillips]

So Peyton Money is on pace for 48 TDs, 5400 passing yards, and has yet to throw a pick.

Is another MVP in his future?

I'd rather have Matt Ryan.

[ColtCrazy]

So Peyton Money is on pace for 48 TDs, 5400 passing yards, and has yet to throw a pick.

Is another MVP in his future?

As a Colts fan, that would be something to see..3 straight, but I think for him to win it again he'd have to throw 48 and get 5000 yards. Otherwise, someone else will get, probably Rodgers.

But what about Collie? I liked him a lot last year, but he's really stepping up this year. He's much more consistent than Garcon and he's showing he's got the speed as well.

[larrymcg421]

Now I really like what I see from this Fins offense.

[DaddyTorgo]

Giants played dreadful today. The most undisciplined football team I have ever seen. They had a shot to win and absolutely gave the game away. It seems to me Coughlin has lost the locker room. Undisciplined play, players mouthing off, etc...

I can handle losing to a better team, but todays display was unwatchable. Guys like Manning, Boss, Tuck, Bradshaw, deserve better.

Like the Pats last week. Fucking undisciplined wankers.

[Greyroofoo]

Pretty nifty moves by Marshall

[larrymcg421]

Epic fucking fail on that defensive play.

[Greyroofoo]

It would've been funny if Edwards had swerved off the field on that play and hit a tree.

[Greyroofoo]

Marshall is pretty good...

[larrymcg421]

Marshall is pretty good...

Yes, it's finally good to have a great receiver in Miami.

[Greyroofoo]

Yes, it's finally good to have a great receiver in Miami.

Yeah, imagine if he was paired with Wes Welker.

[PraetorianX]

So Peyton Money is on pace for 48 TDs, 5400 passing yards, and has yet to throw a pick.

Is another MVP in his future?

I'd be for it, but he'd really have to keep up this same pace to get it this year. The problem with being so consistently great as Manning has been, is people come to expect it. He's been performing at such a level that he'd really truly have to have an extra great season to get the votes needed.

But what about Collie? I liked him a lot last year, but he's really stepping up this year. He's much more consistent than Garcon and he's showing he's got the speed as well.

I liked Collie last year, and I'm liking him even more this year. He's gotten even better, I hope he keeps it up.

I was also happy to see White get a TD, good for the practice squad kid.

[Super Ugly]

Ugh. Boneheaded penalties by the Jets.

[miami_fan]

Glad to see them protecting the D-linemen the way they do QBs.

In other words, that was a soft holding call but I will take it.

[jbergey22]

I sure hope the Jets lubed up good before the game. These refs are screwing them over.

[Super Ugly]

Oh fuck me.

[larrymcg421]

I sure hope the Jets lubed up good before the game. These refs are screwing them over.

How so? Theyre gonna overturn this. Other than the holding call, how else have the Jets been screwed?

[jbergey22]

How so? Theyre gonna overturn this. Other than the holding call, how else have the Jets been screwed?

The interference call near the goaline was ridiculous.

[Bigsmooth]

Maybe feed the ball to Marshall here? WTF.

[miami_fan]

Fuck

[hoopsguy]

Wow, Dolphins refuse gift toss from Sanchez and now surrender 3rd and 10.

Sigh.

[Bigsmooth]

Dolphins need to just let them score here from the 1. Either way you need a TD if you manage to hold them to a FG. Wouldn't you rather be down 8 with 2:00 and 3 timeouts then down 4 with about a minute and no timeouts?

Stupid because they would have had 3 TO's and the 2 minute warning.

[kingfc22]

Just let NY score. Miami is going to need a TD to win ad might as well try to make that happen with more time.

[larrymcg421]

Fuck. Why did Wake take the longest path possible to get off the field?

[evil homer]

if the jets score, does anyone think they should go for 2 and put the game away? the TD puts them up 7 anyway. the PAT would leave them up one score (TD +2 pt), while a successful 2 puts them up 2 scores. definitely a gutsy move.

[evil homer]

Fuck. Why did Wake take the longest path possible to get off the field?

i believe they can only go off the field between the 20 and the 20. they can't just run off at the goal line.

[Bigsmooth]

Pretty great drive there by the Jets.

[Crapshoot]

I cant believe the Jets didn't burn the clock to not leave Miami time - that was stupid.

[Bigsmooth]

And thats why Marshall should have gotten about 25 targets tonight. Cromartie and him one on one all night.

[miami_fan]

I am confused as to what happened on that challenge at the two minute mark. Was the challenge basically to ask the refs to see if a illegal substitution penalty happened on the play?

[Mike D]

They were trying to get the 12 men on the field penalty and then basically replay 1st down...it's a gameclock move, that's all.

[miami_fan]

Okay, I did not know you could use replay to call a penalty.

[DaddyTorgo]

ugh. it makes me sick that the Jets are being successful.

[Izulde]

All I got say is.... fuck you, Jason Allen for your two fuckheaded plays on that drive to cost us the game.

[ISiddiqui]

Hooray for the Falcons win in NO!

And, dang, Vick is looking pretty freaking good starting for the Eagles.

[DaddyTorgo]

All I got say is.... fuck you, Jason Allen for your two fuckheaded plays on that drive to cost us the game.

Kinda like Darius Butler did when he cost the Pats the game.

Man the Jets have gotten lucky that their opponents so far have done a great job making more mistakes then the Jets have and helping to beat themselves.

[Young Drachma]

We'll take it. Glad the Jets are holding up their end of the bargain so far.

[Kodos]

FUCK THE JETS.*





* Except when they play the Patriots.

[stevew]

if the jets score, does anyone think they should go for 2 and put the game away? the TD puts them up 7 anyway. the PAT would leave them up one score (TD +2 pt), while a successful 2 puts them up 2 scores. definitely a gutsy move.

I think the idea is that you have a better chance of taking the xp at 99% conversion rate and then forcing them to make a 50% 2pt to tie. Rather than you taking the 50% 2 pt conversion. I like the jugular move on the 2pter to go up 9. But I don't think that anyone can justify the math on it.

[Lathum]

I think the idea is that you have a better chance of taking the xp at 99% conversion rate and then forcing them to make a 50% 2pt to tie. Rather than you taking the 50% 2 pt conversion. I like the jugular move on the 2pter to go up 9. But I don't think that anyone can justify the math on it.

I bet Layne Kiffen could.

[stevew]

Oh geez. the Niners fire their OC.

Now we can see the stat about how Alex Smith has had X OC's in Y years. And how this is somehow a justification for why he is weak sauce.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

shoulda kept martz...

glad i loaded up my fantasy teams with niners. breakout season indeed.

[Noop]

Jason Allen is a bum.

[molson]

Oh geez. the Niners fire their OC.

Now we can see the stat about how Alex Smith has had X OC's in Y years. And how this is somehow a justification for why he is weak sauce.

I love early-season panic moves in the NFL.

The 49ers just aren't good and they haven't been for a decade. I think the irrational love affair between Singletary and the media and the 49ers fans in starting to sour a little, finally. Maybe if he drops his pants again in the locker room the 49ers can rally to 6-10.

[RedKingGold]

I wish the 49ers would fire their owner.

[albionmoonlight]

49ers have some really good players.

Just goes to prove the somewhat obvious point that w/o above average coaching and QB play, an NFL team is going to suck no matter who else is on the roster.

[miami_fan]

I love early-season panic moves in the NFL.

The 49ers just aren't good and they haven't been for a decade. I think the irrational love affair between Singletary and the media and the 49ers fans in starting to sour a little, finally. Maybe if he drops his pants again in the locker room the 49ers can rally to 6-10.

But he embarrassed Vernon Davis and straightened him out. That is what makes him a good coach.

[stevew]

I should add that as a subset group, I like the Niners fans on this board. I'm just appalled at the Alex Smith justification that has gone on around here.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

The Trent Edwards era has ended.

[molson]

49ers have some really good players.

Just goes to prove the somewhat obvious point that w/o above average coaching and QB play, an NFL team is going to suck no matter who else is on the roster.

I hear Trent Edwards is avaialble.

I think every NFL team has really good players. But ya, QB and coaching are the most important thing. If you're below average in those two areas, you have no chance.

[Sun Tzu]

Re: the OC firing, I'd like to point out that I called it during yesterdays game (and even posted it on Facebook). The 49ers looked completely and utterly out-coached yesterday. It was appalling. In fact, the Niners play calling was so predictable, word is the Chiefs defense was calling out the plays pre-snap.

Not making excuses for Smith, but if you were an NFL QB, how difficult would your job be if the defense knew what plays you were running?

[Crapshoot]

Listen, firing Jimmy Raye has about a 99% approval rating from Niners fans. He has no creativity / ability to realize it isn't 1984 - the 3 yards and a cloud of dust era is done. This team is made for the damn spread - lets just go ahead and run it, and live with the results.

[Passacaglia]

Listen, firing Jimmy Raye has about a 99% approval rating from Niners fans. He has no creativity / ability to realize it isn't 1984 - the 3 yards and a cloud of dust era is done. This team is made for the damn spread - lets just go ahead and run it, and live with the results.

Seems weird to see "Niners", "1984", and "3 yards and a cloud of dust" in the same post.

[stevew]

Are you Jimmy Raye?

Who wants to know? Who wants to know?

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

bring back mooch!

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

and jeff garcia!

[Mustang]

Maybe if he drops his pants again in the locker room the 49ers can rally to 6-10.

6-10 might win the NFC West.

[kingfc22]

This team is made for the damn spread - lets just go ahead and run it, and live with the results.


And we have a winner. If they still suck, then blow it all up. In the meantime, utilize your strengths damnit! Did they not learn from last year when they actually moved the ball in the spread.

[Sun Tzu]

Are you Jimmy Raye?

Who wants to know? Who wants to know?

Thread win.

[Sun Tzu]

Dola

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[Lathum]

RIP George Blanda

[Apathetic Lurker]

The Trent Edwards era has ended.


Not a really good move from the front office. Sends the wrong message to potential free agents in the future regarding this coaching staff and owner:
Suck and we drop you right away......

Should have kept him as insurance till the offseason. Hes not the type to be a cancer in the locker room.I dont think fitz is that durable... next up is Brohm and then what? The second coming of Levi Brown?

[stevew]

I believe I shared a moment with Peyton Manning yesterday. The colts were on the 4 yard line and in a 3 or 4 WR set. Anyways I look at Collie and the defense is in some kind of zone and Collie is easily open by a few steps. The defender still doesn't shade over as I'm ready to bet the house that Manning nails Collie for a TD. Anyways the ball is snapped, collie runs a slant. Manning practically fumbles the ball cause he's trying to hit collie so quickly. The ball gets there somehow the colts score.

Anyways if I can diagnose this call from the couch, I can only imagine how big Peyton's eyes must have been. Way too easy.

[Suburban Rhythm]

PING: stevew, Swaggs

No idea why this caught my eye, but we have a sighting!!

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100924/SPORTS/709249823/1013


Ricardo Colclough got the winning drive started with a 35-yard kickoff return that gave the Nighthawks the ball on their own 41 with 2½ minutes to play.

[stevew]

Retardo once fumbled away a game on my birthday. Fuck that loser.

[Crapshoot]

Seems weird to see "Niners", "1984", and "3 yards and a cloud of dust" in the same post.

That's the worst part of it - this is the Niners, as you put it. Bill Walsh in 1984 was running a more advanced offence than what the 49ers are doing now. You repeatedly hear that there's no disguising what they do - they know a few, limited formations, and that the other team can predict play calls with ease. Jimmy Raye struck everyone as an old fart who got the gig because he would do what Singletary thinks offense is about - power running, and nothing more. In various gigs, Raye never lasted as an OC for 3 seasons - in 5 previous tries. What the hell made Mike think he would work this time?

[Coffee Warlord]

And my statement is still valid: If the Bears pull this off tonight, I'll be drinking the Kool-Aid.

...though I still want Lovie gone. :)

[Swaggs]

Maybe he can get Alonzo Jackson and Kraig Urbig a job now that he has some cred.

PING: stevew, Swaggs

No idea why this caught my eye, but we have a sighting!!

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100924/SPORTS/709249823/1013

[bulletsponge]

that the Cutler we all know and umm love?

[Coffee Warlord]

Cutler at night has not been good.

[Greyroofoo]

Colts GM Bill Polian announced today that an 18-game regular season is pretty much a done deal.



Polian: NFL’s 18-game season is “fait accompli”

By MICHAEL MAROT, AP Sports Writer 39 minutes ago

INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Colts president Bill Polian believes the debate over an 18-game NFL season is over, and an expanded schedule will soon become a reality.

The competition committee member and former league executive twice said he expects the NFL to stretch its regular season by two games. He twice called the decision a “fait accompli” during his weekly radio show Monday night.

“I think that the owners, and principally the commissioner, have decided that it’s the way to go, and so the debate, such as it was, is over,” Polian said. “I’ve heard recently, and I’m sorry that this didn’t get more coverage earlier, some really, really interesting commentary on it. … I wish some of that dialogue had taken place earlier.”

Officially, nothing has changed.

League owners and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell have expressed support for cutting the preseason schedule from four games to two and expanding the regular-season schedule from 16 to 18. But the format change hasn’t been approved by either the owners or the NFL Players Association.

Polian believes that is just a formality although the two sides are trying to work out a new collective bargaining agreement before the current deal expires in March.

A caller asked Polian how close the league was to expanding to 18 games and how the Colts would respond to fewer preseason games, trimming the number of opportunities players would have to win roster spots.

Polian said: “The short answer is that it’s a fait accompli, I’m afraid, and we’re going to have to find ways to get those evaluative experiences. We’re not going to sit back and say, ‘Oh oh, 18 games. Now we’re going to become a veteran team.’ That’s not going to work. And it’s not the way we want to play.”

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league would not respond to Polian’s comments.

Polian is already mapping out contingency plans.

One solution under consideration is holding combined practices or controlled scrimmages with nearby teams to give players more chances to impress the evaluators. Those discussions are already being held internally, Polian said.

“In a two-game preseason, you’re going to have to play the regulars a half and a half. And that’s going to take a full game away, essentially a full game away from the rookies who are trying to make the team,” he said. “So how do you deal with that? Well you’ve got to set up evaluative experiences for them in other venues. And I’m hoping that we can get enough camp time to be able to go against the Bears, let’s say, or go against the Bengals in a controlled situation. Perhaps the Rams, people nearby.”

Many Colts players, including four-time league MVP Peyton Manning(notes) and four-time Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday(notes) have argued that an 18-game season could be detrimental to the undrafted rookies—like Saturday once was—who are trying to make the team.

Indy has been among the league’s best at finding, and cultivating, overlooked talent. In Sunday’s victory over Denver, undrafted rookie Jeff Linkenbach(notes) made his first NFL start at left tackle, protecting Manning’s blind side, and undrafted rookie Blair White(notes) caught a TD pass.

The other concern would be injuries and roster sizes.

Many players believe an increase in injuries would shorten more careers. Coaches, such as Jim Caldwell, have said they would likely argue for larger rosters, too.