1970 Off-season Thread (Pre-season/Draft Pool File is up!)

[Young Drachma]

Chicago's new owner is JimmyOOTP. That's his user name, anyway. Welcome him to the league.

Offseason begins tonight! The 10th season of FOOL is on its way!!!

[Young Drachma]

Also, I'm giving up Compton and I'm going to move to full-time commish duties. Effective immediately.

[muns]

Welcome to the league. Good luck turning that ship around!

[Alan T]

Also, I'm giving up Compton and I'm going to move to full-time commish duties. Effective immediately.

I think that will end up being a good decision for you. I think you'll enjoy the league alot more from that perspective. I can tell that you have been having alot of fun with the various things that you have been running with such as the Hall of fame, the various banners, etc.

I think this will free you up more to do those type of things now, and it also helps give a completely impartial person to solve any issues that can come up from a fast paced league like this as well.

[Chief Rum]

Also, I'm giving up Compton and I'm going to move to full-time commish duties. Effective immediately.

So who is running Compton now then?

[muns]

I think that will end up being a good decision for you. I think you'll enjoy the league alot more from that perspective. I can tell that you have been having alot of fun with the various things that you have been running with such as the Hall of fame, the various banners, etc.

I think this will free you up more to do those type of things now, and it also helps give a completely impartial person to solve any issues that can come up from a fast paced league like this as well.


I hope its because he "WANTS" to give it up. With his previous posts about trying it again one more time with Compton it didnt seem like 2 hours ago he really wanted to do that.

I for one do not want to see DC not have a team, but im waiting for him to say why before i speak further.

[Young Drachma]

So who is running Compton now then?

No one. The AI? The team will be rudderless and I won't let the AI take over, because it'll just slay you all signing players and going crazy. So the team goes on autopilot and self-destructs. Or something.

It'll be like when any other owner leaves and there isn't an owner to take their place...it hasn't happened in about seven seasons here, but...now is as good a time as any.

Privately, I tried to find someone to take the team for the past two days, saying they could have Compton and I'd take Chicago. But no one materialized until tonight and when he did, I just gave him Chicago since I'd decided to stay in Compton. But...in the end, I feel like it's better if I do this. I don't suspect it'll take long to find an owner for a team coming off a league title and still with a very good core.

But in the end, this is better for the league, as I'd prefer not to lose the league, because it's going well and the concept is working way better than I anticipated it could.

[Chief Rum]

If he wants to run Compton (and I think he does), and we don't have an owner ready to run it, I think he should run it. I think DC is happier when he's running a team, and he has every right to enjoying the league experience to as full an extent as he wants (maybe even more than most; after all, this is his baby).

All that said, I think in the long run, every league is best when run by a commissioner who is not in the league. That comes from experiencing leagues with both. The difficulty is that it's tough to find a commish who's happy with just being a commish.

DC should do what makes himself happy, though, IMO.

[Chief Rum]

No one. The AI? The team will be rudderless and I won't let the AI take over, because it'll just slay you all signing players and going crazy. So the team goes on autopilot and self-destructs. Or something.

It'll be like when any other owner leaves and there isn't an owner to take their place...it hasn't happened in about seven seasons here, but...now is as good a time as any.

Privately, I tried to find someone to take the team for the past two days, saying they could have Compton and I'd take Chicago. But no one materialized until tonight and when he did, I just gave him Chicago since I'd decided to stay in Compton. But...in the end, I feel like it's better if I do this. I don't suspect it'll take long to find an owner for a team coming off a league title and still with a very good core.

But in the end, this is better for the league, as I'd prefer not to lose the league, because it's going well and the concept is working way better than I anticipated it could.

What about Turner? He responded to your ad in the main baseball forum?

[Young Drachma]

What about Turner? He responded to your ad in the main baseball forum?

And I wrote him back via PM. He hasn't replied yet. When he does, I'll give him the squad. I've written to anyone whose posted here, on OOTP or anywhere via email or PM when they say they're interested. But as you can imagine, they don't always get back in time or ever. Or sometimes, they write one day and say OMG! I'm interested and then the next day, they write and say "sorry, I'm too busy to play." Or they get here for a season or three and realize the pace doesn't work for them.

But when he does, he can have the squad, of course.

[Young Drachma]

Getting exports now.

[JimmyOOTP]

Hey could i get your team instead if its availible? If not that's cool to but it doesn't hurt to ask. I just think with chicago i won't be doing much as a gm for a while since really they need a few years of picks lol

[Chief Rum]

Hey could i get your team instead if its availible? If not that's cool to but it doesn't hurt to ask. I just think with chicago i won't be doing much as a gm for a while since really they need a few years of picks lol

You can get better fast in this league (but not that I blame ya ;) ).

[Young Drachma]

Hey could i get your team instead if its availible? If not that's cool to but it doesn't hurt to ask. I just think with chicago i won't be doing much as a gm for a while since really they need a few years of picks lol

Sure. I'll switch you in-game to Compton. I'd prefer they were human owned anyway.

[Young Drachma]

1969 Award winners:

CL MVP: Rich Lang, Brooklyn
2nd place: Nathan Adams, Brooklyn
3rd place: Larry Richmond, Toronto

RL MVP: Mac Rasmussen, Hartford
2nd place: Mel Brooks, Compton
3rd place: Ogai Yamazaki, Compton

CL Pitcher of the Year Award: Walt Withecombe, Brooklyn
2nd Place: Joel Nelson, Brooklyn
3rd Place: Gabriel Prado, Valdosta

RL Pitcher of the Year Award: Aaron Dailey, Compton
2nd Place: Bob Halpin, Compton
3rd Place: Alberto Vargo, Ann Arbor

CL Rookie of the Year Award: Billy Jenkins, New York
2nd Place: Yoshi Abe, Valdosta
3rd Place: Joel Garner, Valdosta

RL Rookie of the Year: Mauro Suarez, El Paso
2nd Place: Gary McDowell, Seattle
3rd Place: Gerald Numbers, Hartford

[JimmyOOTP]

Sure. I'll switch you in-game to Compton. I'd prefer they were human owned anyway.

Sweet ty much.

[Young Drachma]

That means I might take over Chicago

[Chief Rum]

That means I might take over Chicago

If you do, you have a trade offer, lol.

[JimmyOOTP]

That means I might take over Chicago

You should as it doesn't require much work for the next few seasons lol. But why don't you wanna keep your team?

[Alan T]

Hah, the AI is on crack.. two closers win the pitcher of the year award. :)

Prado easily had the most dominant year of any pitcher, but only going 15-7 hurt him. Nelson probably should have won it in the CL for Brooklyn even though he was only like the 4th or 5th most dominating pitcher this year. Guess the AI just decided to punt this year :)

[Young Drachma]

You should as it doesn't require much work for the next few seasons lol. But why don't you wanna keep your team?

People don't like losing to the Commish.

:popcorn:

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Just take 'em and be happy with it, before I change my mind.

:D

[Young Drachma]

Hah, the AI is on crack.. two closers win the pitcher of the year award. :)

Prado easily had the most dominant year of any pitcher, but only going 15-7 hurt him. Nelson probably should have won it in the CL for Brooklyn even though he was only like the 4th or 5th most dominating pitcher this year. Guess the AI just decided to punt this year :)

I was thinking the same thing, but didn't feel like evaluating them myself for awards, so I just let the AI decide.

[Young Drachma]

You should as it doesn't require much work for the next few seasons lol. But why don't you wanna keep your team?

Not much work. Have you SEEN me work?

Teams don't suck for long under my auspices. :cool:

[Commo_Soldier]

1969 Award winners:

CL MVP: Rich Lang, Brooklyn
2nd place: Nathan Adams, Brooklyn
3rd place: Larry Richmond, Toronto



Yea Nathan Adams sure fleeced Compton out of a ton of money before going back to Brooklyn for almost rock bottom.

[Chief Rum]

Hah, the AI is on crack.. two closers win the pitcher of the year award. :)

Prado easily had the most dominant year of any pitcher, but only going 15-7 hurt him. Nelson probably should have won it in the CL for Brooklyn even though he was only like the 4th or 5th most dominating pitcher this year. Guess the AI just decided to punt this year :)

I agree although Withecombe grabbing it gives me a chance to give props to a longtime former Ranchero and probably the first likely nominee for the Hall.

And it also gives me the opp to ask Brooklyn why on Earth they had Withecombe as their second closer last year, instead of their primary? ;)

[Young Drachma]

The only rule is, you can't move Compton or change their name. I think it was sheer brilliance by yours truly.

[Alan T]

I was thinking the same thing, but didn't feel like evaluating them myself for awards, so I just let the AI decide.


Yeah, no offense to Withecombe, but he saved 44 games due to being on an outstanding team more than anything else. He wasn't even Brooklyn's best relief pitcher this year much less their best pitcher, much less the CL's best pitcher. :)

I could live with Nelson getting it for Brooklyn, going 19-7 with a 2.92 ERA is pretty solid.

[Young Drachma]

Yea Nathan Adams sure fleeced Compton out of a ton of money before going back to Brooklyn for almost rock bottom.

I know, right? Bastard.

[Commo_Soldier]

I agree although Withecombe grabbing it gives me a chance to give props to a longtime former Ranchero and probably the first likely nominee for the Hall.

And it also gives me the opp to ask Brooklyn why on Earth they had Withecombe as their second closer last year, instead of their primary? ;)


I tried doing a two closer setup for two years and it never worked. The second one would always get the saves and the first one would barely pitch. Then this last year with 4 closers on the active roster and two fading I just decided to go with one closer as it was not working the way I had anticipated.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, no offense to Withecombe, but he saved 44 games due to being on an outstanding team more than anything else. He wasn't even Brooklyn's best relief pitcher this year much less their best pitcher, much less the CL's best pitcher. :)

I could live with Nelson getting it for Brooklyn, going 19-7 with a 2.92 ERA is pretty solid.

Well, he didn't do that bad. Unless you really think a 2.09 ERA is crummy. And I thought my standards for relievers were high!

But, yea, still agree, that should have gone to a starter.

[muns]

You should as it doesn't require much work for the next few seasons lol. But why don't you wanna keep your team?

Jimmy, there was a 3 team trade in the works that id like you to consider, im gonna send it over to ya... actually it was a done deal, but DC up and killled me before the post :P

[JimmyOOTP]

I will take care of the team and try to win a championship in memory of DarkCloud:)

[Chief Rum]

The only rule is, you can't move Compton or change their name. I think it was sheer brilliance by yours truly.

Agreed. One of my favorite moves.

In a similar move, I long thought of moving to Kansas City and becoming the Monarchs, but I feel I have already established a brand and a presence in Colorado. I think it would be weird to not have the Colorado Rancheros in the RL, otherwise I think I would do it. And honorarily name my manager Buck O'Niell. :)

[Young Drachma]

Alright. I'm packing the file up now. I'm all in in Chicago. They're moving somewhere, dunno where yet. 9 years of futility in the windy city is enough. I'm tired of them being FOOL's version of the Cubs.

[Commo_Soldier]

I think we have to look at Brooklyn and Valdosta pitchers a little different as they play in good pitchers parks. Over the past two years Brooklyn pitchers have had a half a run lower era at home than on the road. That said I would have probably voted for Prado, Gonzalez, Nelson in that order for POY for the CL. I think Prado was absolutely dominant and I would have never expected it.

[Alan T]

Well, he didn't do that bad. Unless you really think a 2.09 ERA is crummy. And I thought my standards for relievers were high!

But, yea, still agree, that should have gone to a starter.

ERAs are kind of misleading at times for relief pitchers , but no he wasn't bad.. he just wasn't their best two or three pitchers is all this year. His WHIP wasn't that great, his save percentage was fairly ok, but nothing dominating. He had too many losses for a dominant closer, his K rate was down, walk rate was up, etc.

I guess I'm not trying to say he was a bad pitcher, I just think he got the award because of having 44 saves which is due mostly to being on a great team as a solid pitcher.

If you want to talk about Brooklyn's relief pitching, check out Kodo's season. He doesn't have as much heat as their closer, but he didn't really have a mis-step all year. He actually only gave up 2 earned runs all year (even though he didn't make it into a ton of games, only 28 appearances).


As far as their most dominating reliever, I think their setup guy Ball was better this year and their best reliever. He had better numbers (even if only slightly in some cases) then their closer did.. but my main point was that I hate seeing closers win the pitcher of the year unless they simply were super dominating and there was no dominating starting pitcher.. that is all :)

[JimmyOOTP]

SP P.Mckeane is on the block. Im looking for a star 2nd base

[Commo_Soldier]

ERAs are kind of misleading at times for relief pitchers , but no he wasn't bad.. he just wasn't their best two or three pitchers is all this year. His WHIP wasn't that great, his save percentage was fairly ok, but nothing dominating. He had too many losses for a dominant closer, his K rate was down, walk rate was up, etc.

I guess I'm not trying to say he was a bad pitcher, I just think he got the award because of having 44 saves which is due mostly to being on a great team as a solid pitcher.

If you want to talk about Brooklyn's relief pitching, check out Kodo's season. He doesn't have as much heat as their closer, but he didn't really have a mis-step all year. He actually only gave up 2 earned runs all year (even though he didn't make it into a ton of games, only 28 appearances).


As far as their most dominating reliever, I think their setup guy Ball was better this year and their best reliever. He had better numbers (even if only slightly in some cases) then their closer did.. but my main point was that I hate seeing closers win the pitcher of the year unless they simply were super dominating and there was no dominating starting pitcher.. that is all :)

I would agree with this assesment of Withecombe He was more a product of the team than any other player. Plus he blew two games in the Classic.

[Young Drachma]

SP P.Mckeane is on the block. Im looking for a star 2nd base

You've got Ben Harris from Baltimore. That deal went through, he'll show up when you get the file from tonight. Just FYI. ;)

P.S. You'Re over the cap.

<3 DC

[Alan T]

I think we have to look at Brooklyn and Valdosta pitchers a little different as they play in good pitchers parks. Over the past two years Brooklyn pitchers have had a half a run lower era at home than on the road. That said I would have probably voted for Prado, Gonzalez, Nelson in that order for POY for the CL. I think Prado was absolutely dominant and I would have never expected it.


Well to be fair, Prado had a 1.97 ERA on the road, so I'm not sure that home field played a huge part with him. I didn't really mention him a ton in my other posts as I didn't want anyone to think my comments were sour grapes. I definitely do think he should have had some consideration as he had an incredible year.. but it is hard to make a huge case for a 15-7 pitcher is all. (Can't imagine how my team which had the best offense in the CL managed to cause a pitcher with an ERA below 2 to lose 7 games though)...

Mainly my points was more about a closer winning the award than it being about one of my pitchers not winning. I wasn't trying to make it that too much.. I would have been perfectly fine with Nelson winning it. He had a good season 19-7 and a solid ERA for Brooklyn of 2.92

[JimmyOOTP]

Ohhh k

[Alan T]

SP P.Mckeane is on the block. Im looking for a star 2nd base

Didn't Compton just trade for a star 2nd base? :popcorn:

[Chief Rum]

ERAs are kind of misleading at times for relief pitchers , but no he wasn't bad.. he just wasn't their best two or three pitchers is all this year. His WHIP wasn't that great, his save percentage was fairly ok, but nothing dominating. He had too many losses for a dominant closer, his K rate was down, walk rate was up, etc.

I guess I'm not trying to say he was a bad pitcher, I just think he got the award because of having 44 saves which is due mostly to being on a great team as a solid pitcher.

If you want to talk about Brooklyn's relief pitching, check out Kodo's season. He doesn't have as much heat as their closer, but he didn't really have a mis-step all year. He actually only gave up 2 earned runs all year (even though he didn't make it into a ton of games, only 28 appearances).


As far as their most dominating reliever, I think their setup guy Ball was better this year and their best reliever. He had better numbers (even if only slightly in some cases) then their closer did.. but my main point was that I hate seeing closers win the pitcher of the year unless they simply were super dominating and there was no dominating starting pitcher.. that is all :)

Kodo did have a great year, although you need to appear in more than 28 games to catch a break here. ;)

Yeah, it's more me trying to at least give my former player a chance to take a bow. He really has been underrated. This is a guy with electric stuff and movement, but almost scary control. If he hadn't have already been dominating before I came into the league, I don't know that I would have even given Withecombe the job, but he was brilliant for me. If it weren't for my depth in the pen and need to spend elsewhere, I would have met Withecombe's $6 M pricetag two years ago.

[JimmyOOTP]

Guess i better wait for the file then.

[Chief Rum]

SP P.Mckeane is on the block. Im looking for a star 2nd base

I think you should trade a draft pick for a new one.

[Young Drachma]

TurnerONU22 has joined FOOL. He's taking over Seattle for the recently departed JetsIn06, who said FOOL was too fast for him. (Understandbly, too.) He'll have to get setup, but...that's where he's headed.

[Chief Rum]

TurnerONU22 has joined FOOL. He's taking over Seattle for the recently departed JetsIn06, who said FOOL was too fast for him. (Understandbly, too.) He'll have to get setup, but...that's where he's headed.

Welcome to the league, Turner. The Bluejackets suck! :D

[Young Drachma]

League file is up. I think it's about 18 MB or something.

[JimmyOOTP]

whoa 17m over cap nice:)

[Chief Rum]

whoa 17m over cap nice:)

I would help you out, but I am at the cap myself.

[Alan T]

I would help you out, but I am at the cap myself.

:+1:

[Young Drachma]

whoa 17m over cap nice:)

I was working on a solution for that...at the time that I gave the team up. Good luck! ;)

You'll need it!:lol:

[Alan T]

DC,

I like how your entire pitching staff are all starting pitchers :)

[Young Drachma]

DC,

I like how your entire pitching staff are all starting pitchers :)

Yeah? I haven't even assessed it yet, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

[Chief Rum]

Free agency is such as tease. I can't afford anyone this year or next year. So it's sorta depressing to see these players out there.

[Cringer]

Welcome newbs, send me your women.

[gstelmack]

I've got cap room if anybody has a stud pitcher they need to dump for salary reasons...

[gstelmack]

I've got cap room if anybody has a stud pitcher they need to dump for salary reasons...

First, apparently I don't, I may actually be spending some money on payroll for once ($62 mil right now, although Patrick Perkins contract is hanging on by a thin thread).

Second, I love that 3B Roberto Farias in FA has a 95 rating at Catcher and no rating at any other position. What games have you been playing in Compton DC? :D

[Young Drachma]

First, apparently I don't, I may actually be spending some money on payroll for once ($62 mil right now, although Patrick Perkins contract is hanging on by a thin thread).

Second, I love that 3B Roberto Farias in FA has a 95 rating at Catcher and no rating at any other position. What games have you been playing in Compton DC? :D

I moved him to third base, because I wanted to make him play third base this year. The trick is, if you move a guy to a different position and make him play it all spring training, he'll get a rating at that position that's competent enough to play it. And by competent, I mean a rating of like 5 or 10. Not anything pretty. But I do that to get a bat in the lineup. That's what I did with Yamazaki to get him to play shortstop.

But then, I thought I resigned him there. But I guess I didn't.

Oh. darn. ;)

[TurnerONU22]

Welcome to the league, Turner. The Bluejackets suck! :D

Thanks for the lovely welcome! :D I've played OOTP9 SP, so I'm hoping it will translate well to MP, but I'm sure I'll get fleeced for the first few years. I used to play in High Heat Baseball leagues online years ago, but I haven't tried OOTP online. I'm definitely looking forward to taking Seattle to the top!

As an aside, are we allowed to move teams? I'd love to move them to Columbus and have a nice rivalry with Ann Arbor :)

[Young Drachma]

Thanks for the lovely welcome! :D I've played OOTP9 SP, so I'm hoping it will translate well to MP, but I'm sure I'll get fleeced for the first few years. I used to play in High Heat Baseball leagues online years ago, but I haven't tried OOTP online. I'm definitely looking forward to taking Seattle to the top!

As an aside, are we allowed to move teams? I'd love to move them to Columbus and have a nice rivalry with Ann Arbor :)

As long as you promise not to quit the league because you need to play in the North American Correspondence Chess Invitational or something similar (yes, someone told me they couldn't accept their original invite to join FOOL due to this..) Then sure, move away.

Columbus what?

[muns]

Thanks for the lovely welcome! :D I've played OOTP9 SP, so I'm hoping it will translate well to MP, but I'm sure I'll get fleeced for the first few years. I used to play in High Heat Baseball leagues online years ago, but I haven't tried OOTP online. I'm definitely looking forward to taking Seattle to the top!

As an aside, are we allowed to move teams? I'd love to move them to Columbus and have a nice rivalry with Ann Arbor :)

With all the other crap in this thread, i must have missed this post somewhere. Welcome aboard!!!! Good luck with the new squad!

[Alan T]

I now realize that I chose the wrong Georgia town to have my team from. I should have picked Hell, Georgia and then when things didn't go well I could just say I feel like I'm in Hell.

[Commo_Soldier]

As long as you are making adjustments can you bump up Brooklyn's park from 43,750 to 50,000. I feel it is time since we had an average attendance of 46,170 last year and sold out the past 4 years straight.

[muns]

As long as you promise not to quit the league because you need to play in the North American Correspondence Chess Invitational or something similar (yes, someone told me they couldn't accept their original invite to join FOOL due to this..) Then sure, move away.

Columbus what?

Chief has been on point tonight, so I was hoping he would post his "pussies" comment, but I got antsy......

btw that is some funny stuff right there

[Young Drachma]

Got it. Brooklyn stadium size increased.

[Commo_Soldier]

Thanks for the lovely welcome! :D I've played OOTP9 SP, so I'm hoping it will translate well to MP, but I'm sure I'll get fleeced for the first few years. I used to play in High Heat Baseball leagues online years ago, but I haven't tried OOTP online. I'm definitely looking forward to taking Seattle to the top!

As an aside, are we allowed to move teams? I'd love to move them to Columbus and have a nice rivalry with Ann Arbor :)


GL Turner you should have a blast. This is the first version of OOTP that I have played in years and first online league ever and it did not take me that long to get the hang of things, so I am sure you will find your groove quick.

[TurnerONU22]

As long as you promise not to quit the league because you need to play in the North American Correspondence Chess Invitational or something similar (yes, someone told me they couldn't accept their original invite to join FOOL due to this..) Then sure, move away.

Columbus what?

Oh man, I completely forgot that was coming up, I guess I have to....;)

I haven't decided on the nickname yet, I'll move them after the upcoming season. First, I need to get a new owner for the team, have them send secret e-mails about wanting to move to Columbus, pretend that I want to keep the team in Seattle, and then leave town. Do I have a Kevin Durant-type player as well?

[Young Drachma]

Oh man, I completely forgot that was coming up, I guess I have to....;)

I haven't decided on the nickname yet, I'll move them after the upcoming season. First, I need to get a new owner for the team, have them send secret e-mails about wanting to move to Columbus, pretend that I want to keep the team in Seattle, and then leave town. Do I have a Kevin Durant-type player as well?

You know they were originally called the Seattle Supersonics before the previous owner renamed them the Seattle Armada, right. ;)

[Chief Rum]

My fave of suggested names for Oklahoma is Wind. You could do that in Columbus, too.

"The Wind Blow."
"The Wind Broke"

And other funny references.

[Young Drachma]

Exports time.

[Alan T]

I feel good about this sim. I feel that I likely won't lose an entire game.

[muns]

Well that post makes me nervous. Sounds like your threw some money around at someone(s)

[Young Drachma]

That Chicago/Colorado trade took like 15 minutes to find all of the players and process ;)

[Young Drachma]

Baltimore signed OF Tony Hernandez (New York) to a 1 year deal worth $10 million

Hartford signed CL Orlando Diaz (Toronto) to a 2-year deal worth $9 million

[Young Drachma]

Baltimore signed 2B Jose Zamora (Hartford) to a 2 year deal worth $19.4 million

New York signed SP Derek Chandler (Seattle) to a 4-year deal worth $26.4 million

[Young Drachma]

Chicago signed MR Mike McBride (Baltimore) to a 3-year deal worth $16.6 million

Chicago signed 3B Jerry Matthews (Texas) to a 5 year deal worth $44.8 million

Baltimore signed SP Ron Pate (El Paso) to a 4 year dael worth $43.2 million

[Young Drachma]

Baltimore is getting serious.

[muns]

well that didnt work out as I hoped

[Young Drachma]

Uploading now...

[Young Drachma]

File is 20.14 MB and is up now!

No draft list revealed itself, so I didn't sim all the way to the end of the month, since it seems it'll keep coming tomorrow. I dunno why the game decided to start doing it that way, even after I set the draft back to the 1st of March. But..oh well.

I tried to install Getch's utilities so we could use that as a our draft list instead, but...I don't have perl on my server or something. Or maybe I do, but it didn't work. I tried, tho.

[Alan T]

Anyone have any idea what the coach reputation is based on? Doesn't seem to be wins or winning percentage or postseason appearances or well anything that I can figure out.

[Young Drachma]

Anyone have any idea what the coach reputation is based on? Doesn't seem to be wins or winning percentage or postseason appearances or well anything that I can figure out.

The only person with a higher winning percentage than you among active owners is Tell in New York. And me, but I had 3 more years head start, too.

[Alan T]

The only person with a higher winning percentage than you among active owners is Tell in New York. And me, but I had 3 more years head start, too.


Yeah I can see that, but what I mean is.. I'm trying to figure out what the reputation is based on. Doesn't seem to be based on any of those. Just curious as I doubt it really plays a part in anything gamewise.. I just was flipping through pages and it was something that got me curious.

[Young Drachma]

Yeah I can see that, but what I mean is.. I'm trying to figure out what the reputation is based on. Doesn't seem to be based on any of those. Just curious as I doubt it really plays a part in anything gamewise.. I just was flipping through pages and it was something that got me curious.

It doesn't affect anything. I think it's just one of those gee whiz features. I don't think players prefer a Veteran GM to a Greenhorn, etc.

[Alan T]

It doesn't affect anything. I think it's just one of those gee whiz features. I don't think players prefer a Veteran GM to a Greenhorn, etc.


Yeah, that is what I was saying.. I don't think I'm getting my message across very well! :)

It is a feature that doesn't really have any impact I don't think.. so I never really researched it much. I was looking at it tonight when someone asked who all we had interactions with prior to this league and I used the coach's page to figure out who all was actually in the league! While there, it got me thinking that I wondered if anyone knew what that was based on.. just for fun and laughs though.

[muns]

anyone else having problems with the server?

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, that is what I was saying.. I don't think I'm getting my message across very well! :)

It is a feature that doesn't really have any impact I don't think.. so I never really researched it much. I was looking at it tonight when someone asked who all we had interactions with prior to this league and I used the coach's page to figure out who all was actually in the league! While there, it got me thinking that I wondered if anyone knew what that was based on.. just for fun and laughs though.

Sorry I was confused. :D

[JeeberD]

Baltimore signed SP Ron Pate (El Paso) to a 4 year dael worth $43.2 million

FUCK FUCK FUCK!

Last night I offered Pate the extension he was looking for, which was nice and cheap thanks to him having a down year. Then, I (apparently) forgot to upload the damn thing and he became a free agent. As a FA I offered him more than he was asking for, but I couldn't afford what Baltimore offered.

:banghead:

[muns]

File is 20.14 MB and is up now!

No draft list revealed itself, so I didn't sim all the way to the end of the month, since it seems it'll keep coming tomorrow. I dunno why the game decided to start doing it that way, even after I set the draft back to the 1st of March. But..oh well.

I tried to install Getch's utilities so we could use that as a our draft list instead, but...I don't have perl on my server or something. Or maybe I do, but it didn't work. I tried, tho.

so whats next?

[Young Drachma]

so whats next?

Same ol, same ol. Draft lists get revealed tomorrow as usual.

[muns]

Sorry, been out for 2 seasons, and forgot there was a sim inbetween. Brain fart. Thanks as usual

[gstelmack]

Baltimore signed SP Ron Pate (El Paso) to a 4 year dael worth $43.2 million

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Wonder if I can get away with a 4 man rotation this season?

[Young Drachma]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Wonder if I can get away with a 4 man rotation this season?

I've done it before. It's not the worst idea in the world. Better than a 7-7, 5.00 ERA 5th starter who gets torched and who is erratic.

[Alan T]

I've done it before. It's not the worst idea in the world. Better than a 7-7, 5.00 ERA 5th starter who gets torched and who is erratic.


I believe this is only true in the correct situation. Using a 4 man rotation means all of your pitchers (including your ace or best starting pitchers) will pitch less in the games, and not last as long. Instead of needing a shut down 7th, 8th and 9th inning relief pitcher, you likely will have a good number of games where you now dig into your bullpen in the 6th inning or often cases even the 5th inning, despite your starter pitching well.

At least from my experiments, a 4 man pitching rotation with modern pitching fatigue settings in OOTP requires a solid 7 person bullpen to succeed. If you have 2 really good middle game relievers, 3 strong 7th and 8th inning guys and a top closer, then yes you probably will do much better with a 4 man rotation.

I have also found unfortunately due to experience, if you only have 2-3 stud relievers, and your 5th or 6th relievers aren't that good, you'll see alot of leads evaporate in the 5th and 6th innings and a bullpen that is always really tired. So my belief is the answer to this question is "It depends"

[Young Drachma]

I believe this is only true in the correct situation. Using a 4 man rotation means all of your pitchers (including your ace or best starting pitchers) will pitch less in the games, and not last as long. Instead of needing a shut down 7th, 8th and 9th inning relief pitcher, you likely will have a good number of games where you now dig into your bullpen in the 6th inning or often cases even the 5th inning, despite your starter pitching well.

At least from my experiments, a 4 man pitching rotation with modern pitching fatigue settings in OOTP requires a solid 7 person bullpen to succeed. If you have 2 really good middle game relievers, 3 strong 7th and 8th inning guys and a top closer, then yes you probably will do much better with a 4 man rotation.

I have also found unfortunately due to experience, if you only have 2-3 stud relievers, and your 5th or 6th relievers aren't that good, you'll see alot of leads evaporate in the 5th and 6th innings and a bullpen that is always really tired. So my belief is the answer to this question is "It depends"

Good feedback.

Maybe he can make a deal to get a 5th starter. There are certainly some Triple-A guys out there.

[Alan T]

Good feedback.

Maybe he can make a deal to get a 5th starter. There are certainly some Triple-A guys out there.


It should be really easy to deal for a 5th starter. I know I have had 1 on the trade block that actually is good enough for a 4th starter on most teams or even a 3rd starter on some teams myself. The market doesn't seem too strong for people wanting 5th starters so I doubt that mine or anyone else's would be too expensive tradewise to get.

My impression is right now most teams are going all in to try to get a 1st or 2nd starter, and due to that, they're just trying to fill their 5th starter spot with a youngster or someone perhaps not quite ready yet or a pitcher who has good ratings but bad previous stats, giving them a chance, etc... That means the rest of the teams with a bunch of major league pitchers really don't get many offers for them unless they are a top 1 or 2 pitcher type quality.

[muns]

It should be really easy to deal for a 5th starter. I know I have had 1 on the trade block that actually is good enough for a 4th starter on most teams or even a 3rd starter on some teams myself. The market doesn't seem too strong for people wanting 5th starters so I doubt that mine or anyone else's would be too expensive tradewise to get.

My impression is right now most teams are going all in to try to get a 1st or 2nd starter, and due to that, they're just trying to fill their 5th starter spot with a youngster or someone perhaps not quite ready yet or a pitcher who has good ratings but bad previous stats, giving them a chance, etc... That means the rest of the teams with a bunch of major league pitchers really don't get many offers for them unless they are a top 1 or 2 pitcher type quality.

I agree. Finding a 5th starter shouldnt be tough if he wants one, however Im finding trading to be more and more difficult than ever though.

[Alan T]

I agree. Finding a 5th starter shouldnt be tough if he wants one, however Im finding trading to be more and more difficult than ever though.


I've been thinking on this... I've basically been offering quality Major leaguers, quality prospects, draft picks, etc and have had conversations with people, and thrown out offers to people, but most people seem to just be happy standing pat. My only guess is because the league had way too much talent enter it in previous seasons, that everyone has good players which makes alot of teams feel like either waiting to see how those players develop, or not necessarily feel like making moves.

Either that or the people not responding to PMs are just apathetic to day to day transactions and just want to build a team through free agency/drafts each year :)

[gstelmack]

Heh, didn't mean to start a firestorm, and I was half facetious. I've got one or two guys in my minors who are likely to fill in as a fifth starter, and/or I've got a decent enough bullpen to handle the back end if I need to. I just thought Pate would make a really nice addition.

[Young Drachma]

Heh, didn't mean to start a firestorm, and I was half facetious. I've got one or two guys in my minors who are likely to fill in as a fifth starter, and/or I've got a decent enough bullpen to handle the back end if I need to. I just thought Pate would make a really nice addition.

haha...it's FOOL. The Hot Stove is ALWAYS on. ;)

Pate would've been a nice addition for you, for sure. It'll be interesting to see if Baltimore can ever put it together and produce on the field. They're getting a core together, I wonder if the CL is going to start experiencing a changing of the guard soon...a few teams up there on the rise.

Meanwhile, the RL seems wide open to me. I mean, there IS no presumptive favorite for my money.

[Young Drachma]

I never realized until just now that Chicago/Quad City has NEVER had a winning season. The Rays of FOOL.

[DizzyDizzyDinosaur]

haha...it's FOOL. The Hot Stove is ALWAYS on. ;)

Pate would've been a nice addition for you, for sure. It'll be interesting to see if Baltimore can ever put it together and produce on the field. They're getting a core together, I wonder if the CL is going to start experiencing a changing of the guard soon...a few teams up there on the rise.

Meanwhile, the RL seems wide open to me. I mean, there IS no presumptive favorite for my money.

Toronto is the dark horse of our league. Trust me.

[Young Drachma]

I've got exports. Time to sim to the start of the preseason/draft lists.

[Young Drachma]

Seattle signed 1B Heath Palmer (VAL) to a 3 year deal worth $15 million

End of an era in Peanuts country. But I guess that Latte laced money was hard to resist. :(

[Young Drachma]

I look forward to future debates about what hat a player goes into the Hall of Fame under. ;) Not so much about Palmer, but in the case of say, some of those old St. Louis players, etc., or the more traveled of our stars.

[Alan T]

Seattle signed 1B Heath Palmer (VAL) to a 3 year deal worth $15 million

End of an era in Peanuts country. But I guess that Latte laced money was hard to resist. :(


Would have loved to bring him back, but considering 4 different people in the league don't even respond to trade PMs and the ones who do I couldn't find any decent way to make a deal that worked for both teams, it just wasn't going to happen.

I don't get why Seattle wanted him as he's old and at the end of his career and the guy they already had is going to be better than him (as will the guy I offered in a trade to them).. So suprised to see them go after him.

[Young Drachma]

Atlanta signed LF Arthur Wise (ANN) to a 3 year deal worth $16.4 million

Toronto signed Cal Austin (TEX) to a 5 year deal worth $39.4 million

[Alan T]

I look forward to future debates about what hat a player goes into the Hall of Fame under. ;) Not so much about Palmer, but in the case of say, some of those old St. Louis players, etc., or the more traveled of our stars.

I was thinking about that the other day with Prado. Both Hartford and St.Louis would be able to make a claim thus far (probably should be Hartford based on St.Louis not existing anymore in this case).. but if he has another 3 or 4 seasons in Valdosta like last year's it would become a really good debate.

[muns]

Would have loved to bring him back, but considering 4 different people in the league don't even respond to trade PMs and the ones who do I couldn't find any decent way to make a deal that worked for both teams, it just wasn't going to happen.

I don't get why Seattle wanted him as he's old and at the end of his career and the guy they already had is going to be better than him (as will the guy I offered in a trade to them).. So suprised to see them go after him.

Ya there are a few people here that dont respond back to Pm trade offers, and that gets frustrating.... ( i havent tried seattle) but there are others...

[muns]

I look forward to future debates about what hat a player goes into the Hall of Fame under. ;) Not so much about Palmer, but in the case of say, some of those old St. Louis players, etc., or the more traveled of our stars.

I do to, that should be fun, as there are a few guys that can go either way with hats, I have a few of your St. Louis guys that were close to split on years

[Alan T]

Ya there are a few people here that dont respond back to Pm trade offers, and that gets frustrating.... ( i havent tried seattle) but there are others...

I wasn't singling out Seattle in that comment, as my offer to them came only about an hour or so ago, and I don't expect people to be on the computer 24/7. Those that have been on FOFC for days without even responding with a no thanks kind of get me upset a bit though when I am struggling to find anyone to do deals with :)

[Young Drachma]

I wasn't singling out Seattle in that comment, as my offer to them came only about an hour or so ago, and I don't expect people to be on the computer 24/7. Those that have been on FOFC for days without even responding with a no thanks kind of get me upset a bit though when I am struggling to find anyone to do deals with :)

I'm guilty of this in my other league (FOBL) on occasion. I think the answer here is, people probably don't wanna do a deal. But rather than just say "no thanks," they just don't respond. Or mean to and just forget to do it.

I know that makes no sense, but...given our participation rate -- especially amongst the group we have now -- is pretty high, it's not that we've got absentee owners who aren't at least exporting, because our participation is still at around 90%

[Young Drachma]

Uploading now. Draft pool is revealed. I think you'll find that there are at least 4-6 rounds of good quality players in this draft.

[Young Drachma]

File is 18.94 MB and it's online now.

[Tellistto]

Guess there wasn't enough talent in the league already...

Tell

[Alan T]

I haven't had a chance to look at the file, but is the draft pretty out of sorts or something? If there is an extreme excess of talent in the draft, that is pretty discouraging as we already have had waaay too much talent in the draft..

Plus it is hard to go year to year planning out a strategy when you just don't know how much talent is being added in the offseason each time...

Any idea how so much talent keeps rushing in?

[Tellistto]

Of the first 24 players listed, I expect 20 of them to be in the major leagues this season. What does that tell you?

As to how...DC created this draft class, not the game. The game has created the past drafts, but not this one.

Tell

[Alan T]

Of the first 24 players listed, I expect 20 of them to be in the major leagues this season. What does that tell you?

As to how...DC created this draft class, not the game. The game has created the past drafts, but not this one.

Tell

:(

[Tellistto]

2b Anthony Payton rivals Tanaka for the leagues best all around hitter. He's got potentials of 99, 99, 84, 87, 72. He's almost maxed out on those potentials at age 23.

Tell

[Cringer]

That seems a little extreme. It's going to be like Rich Lang last season coming in and dominating.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, really? Not that I am complaining, but I didn't hear we were going to do anything different with respect to generating draft talent. DC, how did you do this? Just curious more than anything, to get a handle on it.

Good for me: drafting higher in the draft for than ever, really.
Bad for me: I traded away that 5th rounder in the Davis deal.
Really bad for me: Same draft list program. Yuck.

[Young Drachma]

Of the first 24 players listed, I expect 20 of them to be in the major leagues this season. What does that tell you?

As to how...DC created this draft class, not the game. The game has created the past drafts, but not this one.

Tell

The game hasn't, actually. I've had the game creating "0" players for the draft since the feeder leagues went away. Because of the lack of talent coming in and because I didn't want too many crap free agents slowing down the league file during the season.

I just controlled how many "good" players came in by using the "create fictional player" button. Since the second draft, I've just had the game creating 240 or so "draft-eligible prospects" and then people complained about the quality of the draftees and how the picks weren't worth anything. So this year, I tried to widen the net a bit and so, I mixed it up. I put some "established" players in, I put some "young and slightly established" kids and then the usual crops of draft-eligible players, etc. I thought more rounds of players 'worth drafting' would make people 'happier', because past drafts have thinned out to nil after the 1st or maybe 2nd rounds.

That said, I didn't 1) realize how many impact players there were and 2) my response was directly related to the rancor. But that's what I get for listening to the crowd, I guess.

In retrospect, I should've just kept it how it was.

[Young Drachma]

I didn't look at the file much short of Payton and the two young pitchers until just now.

I have sent any player with overall ratings (gold stars) above 1 star (2-5 stars) to teams in the Vulture League. No one should now be able to come in our league Year 1 and dominate now.

Then it'll just be prospects only coming in and nothing else. Hopefully, that'll allay concerns. And in future drafts, I won't generate anything. I'll just let the game create 15 rounds of whatever it wants and people can just deal with that and blame the game and it's overzealous middle reliever creation tendencies if they want to.

There are 688 players left in the draft. Among them are:


4 5-star potential players
4 4.5-star potential players
2 4-star potential players
9 3.5-star potential players
4 3-star potential players
8 2.5-star potential players


The rest are 2-stars potential and below.

[JimmyOOTP]

Of the first 24 players listed, I expect 20 of them to be in the major leagues this season. What does that tell you?

As to how...DC created this draft class, not the game. The game has created the past drafts, but not this one.

Tell

This is making my trade with toronto look very good since i have thier draft picks. Good year to trade for draft picks i guess.

[TurnerONU22]

Sorry about not getting back to some of the offers last night, as I must have just missed them. I sent back PM's to those who inquired, so I hope we can still work some deals before tonight.

As for Palmer, I know that we still have McDowell, but I believe (at least I hope I didn't screw this up) that I'll have one of them DH. We were pretty weak at the plate, so I went for adding some more 'pop' to the lineup. We're going to try and not throw some of our young guys in the fire directly and we wanted to give Seattle one last hurrah before we move.

[muns]

I didn't look at the file much short of Payton and the two young pitchers until just now.

I have sent any player with overall ratings (gold stars) above 1 star (2-5 stars) to teams in the Vulture League. No one should now be able to come in our league Year 1 and dominate now.

Then it'll just be prospects only coming in and nothing else. Hopefully, that'll allay concerns. And in future drafts, I won't generate anything. I'll just let the game create 15 rounds of whatever it wants and people can just deal with that and blame the game and it's overzealous middle reliever creation tendencies if they want to.

There are 688 players left in the draft. Among them are:



The rest are 2-stars potential and below.


I for one hate the games generated draft picks, cause they suck and about 10 of them might be worth anything in 10 years, so am not looking forward to this, but if thats what most of you guys want.........

[Young Drachma]

Sorry about not getting back to some of the offers last night, as I must have just missed them. I sent back PM's to those who inquired, so I hope we can still work some deals before tonight.

As for Palmer, I know that we still have McDowell, but I believe (at least I hope I didn't screw this up) that I'll have one of them DH. We were pretty weak at the plate, so I went for adding some more 'pop' to the lineup. We're going to try and not throw some of our young guys in the fire directly and we wanted to give Seattle one last hurrah before we move.

Yup, you are in the DH league. The RL is the DH league. The CL is no-DH. So your assessment of that was indeed correct.

[JimmyOOTP]

Is it a good idea to bring up a good prospect at the age of 17 even though they says he is ready for ML level?

[Young Drachma]

Is it a good idea to bring up a good prospect at the age of 17 even though they says he is ready for ML level?

It's up to you, really. 17 year old are eligible to be brought up (that's the youngest age they can be...) and really, it just depends on what your needs are, etc., and if you have a guy who can play in front of him better and give him another year to season.

It all depends, because too many years in AAA can kill them and they stop growing, because of the lack of challenge.

[JimmyOOTP]

It's up to you, really. 17 year old are eligible to be brought up (that's the youngest age they can be...) and really, it just depends on what your needs are, etc., and if you have a guy who can play in front of him better and give him another year to season.

It all depends, because too many years in AAA can kill them and they stop growing, because of the lack of challenge.

Btw, Thanks again for inviting me to this league. I love the fast past speed in this league. Best league to date i been in. I just started a new job so im not on as much as i used to be but i only work wednesday to saturday 6 hours a day so not to bad just the same.

Again GJ DC

[Alan T]

I for one hate the games generated draft picks, cause they suck and about 10 of them might be worth anything in 10 years, so am not looking forward to this, but if thats what most of you guys want.........


Maybe my thoughts on this aren't going to be popular, but they are my thoughts and I get to share them with you! :)

The problem with constantly infusing a high quantity of major league ready young talented players is that it breaks all kinds of models for the league. It creates easily accessible cheap talent and it not only devalues what should be "average" players but it makes them virtually worthless.

By having 17-21 year olds that are not only major league ready but among the best in the game, it destroys free agency as there is no reason to grab what would be normally star players when younger and cheaper players are available. It drops the available amount of money spent on free agents over time and eventually creates a way to work around the salary cap of a league actually. I guess I just don't feel that there is any reason that every single year we should get handfuls of what would normally be mvp quality players.

Previously in our league we had multiple problems with the crazy influx of talent added to the completely random method of how it was assigned. Now at least with just a draft, it puts some mechanism behind how the best players are handed out (ideally the worst teams would get the best prospects). This does not address the issue of too much talent however which still is a problem. There just shouldn't be any reason why players with large number of blue ratings should be 2-3 star players. It creates a talent curve that is unhealthy for the league in general.

Now ideally how would I invision the talent should be brought into the league, ie what level of talent? I first of all don't like the "Watering down" that Markus did by setting the default talent randomness to be much less than it should be. Too many people complained about first round busts to the point where he watered down the engine to the point of rarely having first round busts and likewise rarely having 7th round suprise studs. Luckily he leaves the option to set how random you want the draft to be so it is still possible to go back to a more realistic approach of having a more random talent pool.

I personally would love to see 15-24 year olds drafted, the higher the pick the more likely their chance of success, but have the talent randomness high enough that it is very possible to have first round busts and late round Mike Piazza type players occasionally. This creates a system where not only is it important to have higher draft picks but also it is even more important to have -more- draft picks just like how it really is in baseball today. With our development curve set to have players theoretically peak between 27-29, this would allow this crop of players to have an appropriate 2-3 years in some cases in the minors, and in other cases more years to develop. Ideally I think each year it probably makes sense to have 6-12 players that could at any year challenge to be an allstar, but no definite or sure thing. Should probably have a handful (under 6) of sure allstars, but each year I can't imagine there being more than 1 or 2 (or on rare occasions 3) hall of fame type players.

Like I said, fairly opinionated, but it is what I feel :)

[JimmyOOTP]

Maybe my thoughts on this aren't going to be popular, but they are my thoughts and I get to share them with you! :)

The problem with constantly infusing a high quantity of major league ready young talented players is that it breaks all kinds of models for the league. It creates easily accessible cheap talent and it not only devalues what should be "average" players but it makes them virtually worthless.

By having 17-21 year olds that are not only major league ready but among the best in the game, it destroys free agency as there is no reason to grab what would be normally star players when younger and cheaper players are available. It drops the available amount of money spent on free agents over time and eventually creates a way to work around the salary cap of a league actually. I guess I just don't feel that there is any reason that every single year we should get handfuls of what would normally be mvp quality players.

Previously in our league we had multiple problems with the crazy influx of talent added to the completely random method of how it was assigned. Now at least with just a draft, it puts some mechanism behind how the best players are handed out (ideally the worst teams would get the best prospects). This does not address the issue of too much talent however which still is a problem. There just shouldn't be any reason why players with large number of blue ratings should be 2-3 star players. It creates a talent curve that is unhealthy for the league in general.

Now ideally how would I invision the talent should be brought into the league, ie what level of talent? I first of all don't like the "Watering down" that Markus did by setting the default talent randomness to be much less than it should be. Too many people complained about first round busts to the point where he watered down the engine to the point of rarely having first round busts and likewise rarely having 7th round suprise studs. Luckily he leaves the option to set how random you want the draft to be so it is still possible to go back to a more realistic approach of having a more random talent pool.

I personally would love to see 15-24 year olds drafted, the higher the pick the more likely their chance of success, but have the talent randomness high enough that it is very possible to have first round busts and late round Mike Piazza type players occasionally. This creates a system where not only is it important to have higher draft picks but also it is even more important to have -more- draft picks just like how it really is in baseball today. With our development curve set to have players theoretically peak between 27-29, this would allow this crop of players to have an appropriate 2-3 years in some cases in the minors, and in other cases more years to develop. Ideally I think each year it probably makes sense to have 6-12 players that could at any year challenge to be an allstar, but no definite or sure thing. Should probably have a handful (under 6) of sure allstars, but each year I can't imagine there being more than 1 or 2 (or on rare occasions 3) hall of fame type players.

Like I said, fairly opinionated, but it is what I feel :)

I see your point, i noticed for a small 16 team league that there is a handful of good prospects in the minors. It may be ok for now but the future looks like we will all eventually have a bunch of all stars in our lineup for years to come. If this was a 30 team league then i'd say its right on pace. Ever think of expanding to 2 teams per season or something? Expanding the league will thin out the "to much talent" problem. Also would give us more trade options:)

[Young Drachma]

Maybe my thoughts on this aren't going to be popular, but they are my thoughts and I get to share them with you! :)

The problem with constantly infusing a high quantity of major league ready young talented players is that it breaks all kinds of models for the league. It creates easily accessible cheap talent and it not only devalues what should be "average" players but it makes them virtually worthless.

By having 17-21 year olds that are not only major league ready but among the best in the game, it destroys free agency as there is no reason to grab what would be normally star players when younger and cheaper players are available. It drops the available amount of money spent on free agents over time and eventually creates a way to work around the salary cap of a league actually. I guess I just don't feel that there is any reason that every single year we should get handfuls of what would normally be mvp quality players.

Previously in our league we had multiple problems with the crazy influx of talent added to the completely random method of how it was assigned. Now at least with just a draft, it puts some mechanism behind how the best players are handed out (ideally the worst teams would get the best prospects). This does not address the issue of too much talent however which still is a problem. There just shouldn't be any reason why players with large number of blue ratings should be 2-3 star players. It creates a talent curve that is unhealthy for the league in general.

Now ideally how would I invision the talent should be brought into the league, ie what level of talent? I first of all don't like the "Watering down" that Markus did by setting the default talent randomness to be much less than it should be. Too many people complained about first round busts to the point where he watered down the engine to the point of rarely having first round busts and likewise rarely having 7th round suprise studs. Luckily he leaves the option to set how random you want the draft to be so it is still possible to go back to a more realistic approach of having a more random talent pool.

I personally would love to see 15-24 year olds drafted, the higher the pick the more likely their chance of success, but have the talent randomness high enough that it is very possible to have first round busts and late round Mike Piazza type players occasionally. This creates a system where not only is it important to have higher draft picks but also it is even more important to have -more- draft picks just like how it really is in baseball today. With our development curve set to have players theoretically peak between 27-29, this would allow this crop of players to have an appropriate 2-3 years in some cases in the minors, and in other cases more years to develop. Ideally I think each year it probably makes sense to have 6-12 players that could at any year challenge to be an allstar, but no definite or sure thing. Should probably have a handful (under 6) of sure allstars, but each year I can't imagine there being more than 1 or 2 (or on rare occasions 3) hall of fame type players.

Like I said, fairly opinionated, but it is what I feel :)

First off, I appreciate your thoughts. Constructive feedback makes it easier to determine what direction to go in as a league.

The problem with constantly infusing a high quantity of major league ready young talented players is that it breaks all kinds of models for the league. It creates easily accessible cheap talent and it not only devalues what should be "average" players but it makes them virtually worthless.


I've noticed this problem. So maybe a decade of "crap" players is just what the doctor ordered. I'm serious..it might be just what we need. It's why I didn't want a draft at all, to be honest. It's hard to know what you have, when new players keep entering the league.

By having 17-21 year olds that are not only major league ready but among the best in the game, it destroys free agency as there is no reason to grab what would be normally star players when younger and cheaper players are available. It drops the available amount of money spent on free agents over time and eventually creates a way to work around the salary cap of a league actually. I guess I just don't feel that there is any reason that every single year we should get handfuls of what would normally be mvp quality players.

This wasn't my intent, honestly. It's never been my intent. I just feel like people want to see "talent" manifest early, so I think that's led to the developments. I'm not "controlling" it that well. I just push some buttons, players generate and then we roll with what we've got. I think the way we run seasons so fast makes some interesting challenges and like any league, it just adds to the different "eras" that we'll inevitably have over time, once we hash it all out.


I first of all don't like the "Watering down" that Markus did by setting the default talent randomness to be much less than it should be. Too many people complained about first round busts to the point where he watered down the engine to the point of rarely having first round busts and likewise rarely having 7th round suprise studs.

I've got talent change randomness on the max, 200. So there will be players who can "evolve" into top talents and top talents who might bust. We've seen it in small pockets already. But we'll need a larger sample size over time to evaluate it more effectively.

Ideally I think each year it probably makes sense to have 6-12 players that could at any year challenge to be an allstar, but no definite or sure thing. Should probably have a handful (under 6) of sure allstars, but each year I can't imagine there being more than 1 or 2 (or on rare occasions 3) hall of fame type players.

Again, we'll let the game generate them and I think that we'll just see how it shakes out. At least we know that if 10+ years down the road, we hit a talent desert with less talented players in the league reigning, we know how to rectify the problem.

[Young Drachma]

I see your point, i noticed for a small 16 team league that there is a handful of good prospects in the minors. It may be ok for now but the future looks like we will all eventually have a bunch of all stars in our lineup for years to come. If this was a 30 team league then i'd say its right on pace. Ever think of expanding to 2 teams per season or something? Expanding the league will thin out the "to much talent" problem. Also would give us more trade options:)

Expansion will happen someday. I can't imagine we'd even consider it until at least 1985, though. So another 15 years, before we'd add 4 teams (2 in each league) and only if we have demand, would I think we'd consider doing it faster.

I think FOOL would ideally be a 24-team league. But not for say, another 25-30 years or so.

[Alan T]

I've noticed this problem. So maybe a decade of "crap" players is just what the doctor ordered. I'm serious..it might be just what we need. It's why I didn't want a draft at all, to be honest. It's hard to know what you have, when new players keep entering the league.


I don't think we need a decade of "Crap" players, and I also think it would be unfair to teams that are rebuilding currently to have to endure that. Ideally I would think our goal would be minor changes to the talent pool each year to try to fine tune the type and amount of players we want in the draft each year.

In the course of 10-15 years, we ideally would have figured out the developmental cycle with the current settings and the excess talent would have been phased out, and hopefully the draft would have been working well for the preceeding few years prior to that to create a pretty stable universe.

I think creating only crap players for the next decade would swing the problem entirely in the other direction in several years and would fear that we would constantly be teetertotting back and forth. I think we want to work for finding the right settings, and then due to the sim speed it will eventually fix itself fairly quickly.

[Young Drachma]

I don't think we need a decade of "Crap" players, and I also think it would be unfair to teams that are rebuilding currently to have to endure that. Ideally I would think our goal would be minor changes to the talent pool each year to try to fine tune the type and amount of players we want in the draft each year.

In the course of 10-15 years, we ideally would have figured out the developmental cycle with the current settings and the excess talent would have been phased out, and hopefully the draft would have been working well for the preceeding few years prior to that to create a pretty stable universe.

I think creating only crap players for the next decade would swing the problem entirely in the other direction in several years and would fear that we would constantly be teetertotting back and forth. I think we want to work for finding the right settings, and then due to the sim speed it will eventually fix itself fairly quickly.

I didn't really mean "creating crap" players. Like literally doing it. I meant letting the game control the status quo.

I think maybe the solution then is say, creating 10 young and slightly established players, 30 very young and raw players and then 200 draft-eligible prospects. That's 240 players or 15 rounds of players.

[gstelmack]

I've got talent change randomness on the max, 200. So there will be players who can "evolve" into top talents and top talents who might bust. We've seen it in small pockets already. But we'll need a larger sample size over time to evaluate it more effectively.

That explains a lot of what I've been seeing (in addition to the aging modifiers), and frankly I don't think it fits this league. With us blasting through a season, too many things can happen to our ML talent even with no injuries. And with us disallowing movement between majors and minors, it gets worse. I have no recourse when my 3 and 4 star players decide to become 1 star talents over the course of a season, and it's just a random hammer. But it's happened to at least one of my players each season.

If the purpose is to go find players, set a lineup, and see how it rolls, then we should not have big talent swings during the season.

[Tellistto]

Mm, had forgotten you were making the drafts, DC. Apologies for that comment. Didn't have a problem with the previous drafts, and must say that most of the public rancor I read was about the draft list feature, not so much the players.

+1 to Alan's thoughts.

Tell

[Young Drachma]

That explains a lot of what I've been seeing (in addition to the aging modifiers), and frankly I don't think it fits this league. With us blasting through a season, too many things can happen to our ML talent even with no injuries. And with us disallowing movement between majors and minors, it gets worse. I have no recourse when my 3 and 4 star players decide to become 1 star talents over the course of a season, and it's just a random hammer. But it's happened to at least one of my players each season.

If the purpose is to go find players, set a lineup, and see how it rolls, then we should not have big talent swings during the season.

One of the reasons went started with 1-100 ratings (I started when I set up the league with 20-80) is because Ben suggested (smartly) that people in a fast league shouldn't have to do guesswork. That ratings should work as advertised, etc.

This makes sense, so this was a good reminder of that. I think it ought to be minimized to the minimum. While it'll mean none of our creepers will creep, it'll allow it to be easier for GM to manage their teams, which is what this is all about anyway, right?

[Young Drachma]

Mm, had forgotten you were making the drafts, DC. Apologies for that comment. Didn't have a problem with the previous drafts, and must say that most of the public rancor I read was about the draft list feature, not so much the players.

+1 to Alan's thoughts.

Tell

It's totally cool. These sorts of things just help us refine the league to what we want it to be. So I'm glad they happen, because if people didn't say anything, I'd never know and could adjust it appropriate or take my hands off the rudder, as necessary.

[gstelmack]

On the draft talent thing, I have no problem with a decent number of future players in the draft, I think the problem is the guys ready to contribute today.

[Alan T]

One of the reasons went started with 1-100 ratings (I started when I set up the league with 20-80) is because Ben suggested (smartly) that people in a fast league shouldn't have to do guesswork. That ratings should work as advertised, etc.

This makes sense, so this was a good reminder of that. I think it ought to be minimized to the minimum. While it'll mean none of our creepers will creep, it'll allow it to be easier for GM to manage their teams, which is what this is all about anyway, right?

That makes sense I suppose regarding the randomness. In a league like this I can see where that level of realism might ruin the fun. (Along the same lines of why you would set the injury settings to low.. it makes it a bit less real, but overall enjoyment in the league goes up most likely)

[Young Drachma]

On the draft talent thing, I have no problem with a decent number of future players in the draft, I think the problem is the guys ready to contribute today.

I think the way it's setup now is ideal, so I just know not to put anymore established players in. That's where the problems started to happen, really. When I started initially with just 240, we had maybe 8 players total who were 3 star + prospects. That was woefully bad. So that's when I started tinkering with adding more to flesh it out better. I think where it is now is a good situation, tho. Plus there are some younger-esque guys who aren't good enough to start now, but have the potential to be real contributors early on.

[Young Drachma]

That makes sense I suppose regarding the randomness. In a league like this I can see where that level of realism might ruin the fun. (Along the same lines of why you would set the injury settings to low.. it makes it a bit less real, but overall enjoyment in the league goes up most likely)

You know, we started with fatigue being off too. But then it wasn't an endurance test of who could assemble the best team of players with depth too. It was just about who had the best players.

So we turned on fatigue and left it on average to make it a marathon of a season. Injuries on can't happen, of course. That's absolute kill the league, even if you say, had teams of 40-man rosters and everything, injuries I think, would completely make things hard to manage, because of the randomness involved and will throw off the fun factor.

I never knew that an online league with no injuries would be this interesting though. I was just thinking when we got started that I wanted things to move fast. That's all I cared about, was keeping things moving.

So yeah, anyway...it's lowered to the minimum of "1" now for talent change randomness.

[JimmyOOTP]

Anyway to know the draft order? Compton is looking to move up in the draft.

[JimmyOOTP]

Nvm, i found a way to see last seasons standings.

[muns]

On the draft talent thing, I have no problem with a decent number of future players in the draft, I think the problem is the guys ready to contribute today.

You said it better than I did. I dont think the game itself generates this properly... Playing SP gets boring to me cause all i see are guys that have 50 ratings all accross the board and when I look through FA im just like..... man doesthis just suck...

Thats what I dont want to happen here I think if we toned down the guys that were ready now, we would be fine.

[Chief Rum]

So, DC, you sent some players to the VL? Do I need to download a new file?

[Young Drachma]

So, DC, you sent some players to the VL? Do I need to download a new file?

No. The players who were sent to the VL simply will not be able to be drafted. So your draft list will revert to the next best player who is available. Anyone who has overall ratings of more than 1 star in the draft pool was sent to the VL. So that should make it easy to know who to rule out.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, muns and gstelmack have already hit on the too-developed players, so I won't carp on that. I saw that as the big issue as well.

That said, with respect to overall talent, in my mind, a right balance of talent, means every team "should" get a chance to draft at least a four-star prospect in the first round, and a three-star in the second round, and one stars shouldn't be common until the late fourth-early fifth rounds if not later.

I would like to see higher numbers of 2-3 star talent players to bump up the bell curve in the middle. IMO, that makes for a lot more of a feeling you can get players that might develop into something without blowing up the talent base with too many star talents.

[Chief Rum]

No. The players who were sent to the VL simply will not be able to be drafted. So your draft list will revert to the next best player who is available. Anyone who has overall ratings of more than 1 star in the draft pool was sent to the VL. So that should make it easy to know who to rule out.

Got it. Thanks.

[Alan T]

No. The players who were sent to the VL simply will not be able to be drafted. So your draft list will revert to the next best player who is available. Anyone who has overall ratings of more than 1 star in the draft pool was sent to the VL. So that should make it easy to know who to rule out.

If you want a custom filter for the draft pool to make it easier to set your draft list, I think I set my custom filter to show all players with OVR Rating of 32 or less. I think that included one or two guys listed as 1.5 star current rating, but you can easily ignore them.

It should help you be able to sort everything for the rest of your draft list from there.

[Young Drachma]

I would like to see higher numbers of 2-3 star talent players to bump up the bell curve in the middle. IMO, that makes for a lot more of a feeling you can get players that might develop into something without blowing up the talent base with too many star talents.

The game just doesn't make it easy to generate a good crap of young prospects without massive tinkering. That said, I haven't been doing much solo work, largely focusing my energy over here. So maybe that's what I'll do now, is spend some time playing solo and also figuring out how to generate better draft pools. I know overall, but...it can be one of those things that OOTP simply doesn't make easy to do without massive tinkering.

[Alan T]

Yeah, muns and gstelmack have already hit on the too-developed players, so I won't carp on that. I saw that as the big issue as well.

That said, with respect to overall talent, in my mind, a right balance of talent, means every team "should" get a chance to draft at least a four-star prospect in the first round, and a three-star in the second round, and one stars shouldn't be common until the late fourth-early fifth rounds if not later.

I would like to see higher numbers of 2-3 star talent players to bump up the bell curve in the middle. IMO, that makes for a lot more of a feeling you can get players that might develop into something without blowing up the talent base with too many star talents.

From my own testing of this version, I have a very tough time creating 2-3 star prospects for some reason. Maybe DC has had more luck with his experimenting, but for me it always seems to go from a handful of 4 or 5 star prospects, down to a smaller handful of 3 star prospects, then a tiny number of 2 stars, then a bazillion 1 star prospects.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong when I try to customize the draft pool in SP test drafts, but it just feels harder then it seems like it should. (which reminds me to say that all of my griping about stuff isn't a knock on DC, I understand this isn't easy and requires a bit of tinkering).

[Chief Rum]

Figures this would be hard. I am sure part of the problem is the star system is a relation to the talent in the league. I wonder if anyone has done any Sky Dog-ish extensive studies on the settings for this a la Ronco, either here or at the OOTP community?

[Young Drachma]

Figures this would be hard. I am sure part of the problem is the star system is a relation to the talent in the league. I wonder if anyone has done any Sky Dog-ish extensive studies on the settings for this a la Ronco, either here or at the OOTP community?

Not really. Just those two have done their testing. I've done testing, but it's been related almost solely to creating players for feeder leaders to have them enter major leagues. That's why FOOL was setup that way initially, because I'd finally figured out how to get the settings to work well.

I haven't done any testing for generating draftees, but like you said, that's largely because stars are dependent on the league talent level, etc.

[Alan T]

DC, I assume we are using the default settings for star overall ratings where they are rated compared to others that play the same position in the league? ie: 1B compared to other 1B, Catchers to other Catchers etc?

I am almost 99% sure that is the case based on the number of 1B with 90+ ratings and barely 3 stars, but figured I would make sure!

[Chief Rum]

Not really. Just those two have done their testing. I've done testing, but it's been related almost solely to creating players for feeder leaders to have them enter major leagues. That's why FOOL was setup that way initially, because I'd finally figured out how to get the settings to work well.

I haven't done any testing for generating draftees, but like you said, that's largely because stars are dependent on the league talent level, etc.

Then maybe we need to come to conclusions about what level of talent we want in the league. Maybe get a statistical basis from the current talent and go from there. Let's say we, as an ownership agree, feel that whatever talent is now is an ideal amount of talent (and I mean with respect to fully developed players, for the most part). If we take that database and come up with some base CON and POW and STF figures and what not, along with deviations and variances, maybe we will have a statistical basis on which to do testing (regardless of stars, which eventually will balance out anyway).

If we set the "league average" (what our numbers say that is) as what is coming out as a 2.5 star prospect, maybe we can do something with that.

It requires testing, but I think theoretically we can make it work if someone does the groundwork (I would myself, but with my trip next week I am up against it just getting ready for that).

[Young Drachma]

DC, I assume we are using the default settings for star overall ratings where they are rated compared to others that play the same position in the league? ie: 1B compared to other 1B, Catchers to other Catchers etc?

I am almost 99% sure that is the case based on the number of 1B with 90+ ratings and barely 3 stars, but figured I would make sure!

Yes, we're using those defaults.

I just setup my new solo league and I use it as a sandbox to do some testing.

[Young Drachma]

Then maybe we need to come to conclusions about what level of talent we want in the league. Maybe get a statistical basis from the current talent and go from there. Let's say we, as an ownership agree, feel that whatever talent is now is an ideal amount of talent (and I mean with respect to fully developed players, for the most part). If we take that database and come up with some base CON and POW and STF figures and what not, along with deviations and variances, maybe we will have a statistical basis on which to do testing (regardless of stars, which eventually will balance out anyway).

If we set the "league average" (what our numbers say that is) as what is coming out as a 2.5 star prospect, maybe we can do something with that.

It requires testing, but I think theoretically we can make it work if someone does the groundwork (I would myself, but with my trip next week I am up against it just getting ready for that).

The sabermetric creation modifiers determine how good players are/aren't. So basically, I need to tweak them to a certain place and once we find a sweet spot, then we'll know where to set them for FOOL for the kind of "average" player we want.

[muns]

If you want a custom filter for the draft pool to make it easier to set your draft list, I think I set my custom filter to show all players with OVR Rating of 32 or less. I think that included one or two guys listed as 1.5 star current rating, but you can easily ignore them.

It should help you be able to sort everything for the rest of your draft list from there.

You are the man Alan!!! ive been sitting here trying to figure out what the heck to do so it wasnt that complicated and wasnt having any luck. That did the trick, so thank you for saving me another hours worth of wondering around.

[Young Drachma]

I think I've found some player creation settings that work for FOOL. I setup my solo league with similar league total modifiers and the only difference is that I lowered aging from 1.000 to .750 and used creation modifiers that are set to 1.200 and it seems that there is a nice statistical balance to things.

I'll report my findings in a bit.

[Cringer]

Crap, almost blew tonight. WIll have an export in soon.

[Cringer]

Sent it in and I forgot to do a draft list. No big deal, I would just have the AI set it anyways as I did last year.

[Chief Rum]

May need a few minutes. I am trying to work my way carefully through this draft list, copying as I go to attempt to maintain the list instead of allowing the computer to F it all up. I am at about 20 players in 10 mins, and I want to get to around 45-50.

[JimmyOOTP]

My list is sent in. Are we doing this tonight?

[Young Drachma]

My list is sent in. Are we doing this tonight?

Of course. In a little bit here, I'll go ahead and get everything exported and simmed up and then released. Tonight is the last night you get to set your rosters and they're due by tomorrow night at 9pm central, as we start the season over the weekend. Sometimes, we start immediately after exports, other times, not as much. But it all gets done so that we can do the FOOL Classic on Sunday night.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I am uploaded.

You have to be kidding me with this crap. :banghead:

[Young Drachma]

and away we go...

[Young Drachma]

C Jose Martinez re-signed with Brooklyn to a one-year deal worth $7.7 million.

[muns]

All right, I am uploaded.

You have to be kidding me with this crap. :banghead:

lol ya i got frustrated with it and said screw it and just let the AI do it. I got about 25 in and then realized that I couldnt just have the AI fill it in after that and it changed all my picks..... So needless to say I wasnt going to do it again.

[Young Drachma]

lol ya i got frustrated with it and said screw it and just let the AI do it. I got about 25 in and then realized that I couldnt just have the AI fill it in after that and it changed all my picks..... So needless to say I wasnt going to do it again.

I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't let the AI do it. Worst case, you just have to make trades to get the players you want or trade up to increase the likelihood of getting what you want.

I mean, I understand getting who you want...but in a league like this...I dunno. Seems like more hassle than it's worth.

[Young Drachma]

Maybe the 24 hour window between the draft ending and season starting could be a "trade window" for people to swap picks of guys they don't want for ones they do or something? I dunno.

[muns]

I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't let the AI do it. Worst case, you just have to make trades to get the players you want or trade up to increase the likelihood of getting what you want.

I mean, I understand getting who you want...but in a league like this...I dunno. Seems like more hassle than it's worth.

I agree, but when there are what 5 guys that look to trade here on a regular basis, that bites ya in the butt as well.

[Young Drachma]

1970 DRAFT

Here are the first round picks:


Round 1
Round 1, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: 1B L. Mendoza
Round 1, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C L. Palmer
Round 1, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: RF C. Weighell
Round 1, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: 3B A. Summers
Round 1, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: 1B H. Matthews
Round 1, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: LF D. O'Cleary
Round 1, Pick 7 - Compton Brothers: 2B C. Hernández
Round 1, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: 2B E. Finch
Round 1, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP I. Valle
Round 1, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: SP R. Cook
Round 1, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: SP D. Adams
Round 1, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: LF L. Davis
Round 1, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: LF A. Shimizu
Round 1, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: C M. Shepherd
Round 1, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: SP D. Paul
Round 1, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: LF E. Cronie

[JimmyOOTP]

We'll i let the AI do it and then just switched around a few players that i need so hopefully it works out. I got 2 first rounders this season and ones a 6th round pick. Fingers crossed.

[Young Drachma]

Round 2-9, I'm not posting the rest:


Round 9
Round 9, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: 2B M. Arrington
Round 9, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C S. Good
Round 9, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: RF P. Wyatt
Round 9, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: MR M. Robinson
Round 9, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: CF Á. Soto
Round 9, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: MR C. Townsend
Round 9, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: CF J. Piña
Round 9, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: CF M. Manning
Round 9, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: 1B R. Martin
Round 9, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: RF P. Palácios
Round 9, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: SS P. Aguilar
Round 9, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: MR W. Joseph
Round 9, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: CF S. Specht
Round 9, Pick 14 - Compton Brothers: LF C. Harris
Round 9, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: RF M. Walker
Round 9, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: 2B B. Moore
Round 8
Round 8, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: MR S. McMasters
Round 8, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C D. Dugles
Round 8, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: CL G. Jerome
Round 8, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: CF M. Wellman
Round 8, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: CL J. Encarnación
Round 8, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: 1B K. Burns
Round 8, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: CL P. Núñes
Round 8, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: MR A. Cruz
Round 8, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: MR J. Miller
Round 8, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: C J. Palmer
Round 8, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: MR W. Miller
Round 8, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: CF J. De La Torre
Round 8, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: SS S. Lindner
Round 8, Pick 14 - Compton Brothers: 2B G. Álvarez
Round 8, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: MR J. Hutchinson
Round 8, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: MR R. Hoover
Round 7
Round 7, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: SS A. van Kippersluis
Round 7, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: SP T. Singleton
Round 7, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: CF M. Cintrón
Round 7, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: MR N. Duncan
Round 7, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: CF F. Díaz
Round 7, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: MR D. Holland
Round 7, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: RF S. Cantagalli
Round 7, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: MR J. Domínguez
Round 7, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: 1B J. Francis
Round 7, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: 1B N. Newton
Round 7, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: CF R. Quintero
Round 7, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: MR B. Taylor
Round 7, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: RF C. Jones
Round 7, Pick 14 - Compton Brothers: RF C. Fenwick
Round 7, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: RF H. Elmore
Round 7, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: LF R. Miller
Round 6
Round 6, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: SP M. Johnson
Round 6, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C A. Ortega
Round 6, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: SP K. O'Looney
Round 6, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: 2B L. Suárez
Round 6, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: SP R. Robinson
Round 6, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: CF A. Pacheco
Round 6, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: SP T. Harrell
Round 6, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: MR H. Clark
Round 6, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP J. Wendt
Round 6, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: C D. Houlis
Round 6, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: SP M. Tyler
Round 6, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: 1B R. Martínez
Round 6, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: 3B G. Womack
Round 6, Pick 14 - Compton Brothers: RF K. Pruitt
Round 6, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: RF T. Rogers
Round 6, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: SP D. Peterson
Round 5
Round 5, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: SP T. Deschamps
Round 5, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: SP P. Smith
Round 5, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: CF S. Whittleton
Round 5, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: SP J. Kemball
Round 5, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: LF R. Torres
Round 5, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: SP J. Ramos
Round 5, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: C E. Echevarría
Round 5, Pick 8 - Quad City Thunderstorms: SP D. Cortéz
Round 5, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP J. Harris
Round 5, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: SP R. Gómez
Round 5, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: RF E. James
Round 5, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: MR J. Clark
Round 5, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: SP A. Rojas
Round 5, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: SP L. Velásquez
Round 5, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: 1B M. Dunbar
Round 5, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: RF T. Wallace
Round 4
Round 4, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: SP B. Howell
Round 4, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: 3B K. Tsutsumi
Round 4, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: SP B. McCall
Round 4, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: CF D. Lefebvre
Round 4, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: CF T. Aldridge
Round 4, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: SP J. Velásquez
Round 4, Pick 7 - Toronto Atlantics: SP M. Yang
Round 4, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: MR S. Osborn
Round 4, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP M. León
Round 4, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: 3B H. McPhee
Round 4, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: 3B T. Yánez
Round 4, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: 1B K. Densem
Round 4, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: SP R. Young
Round 4, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: LF K. Coleman
Round 4, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: RF R. Jones
Round 4, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: LF M. Weaver
Round 3
Round 3, Pick 1 - Toronto Atlantics: SP G. Spencer
Round 3, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: SS S. Coffey
Round 3, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: RF T. Singleton
Round 3, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: SP S. Thompson
Round 3, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: 2B T. Reece
Round 3, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: SP B. Howard
Round 3, Pick 7 - Compton Brothers: CF I. Kobayashi
Round 3, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: SS Á. García
Round 3, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP J. Pérez
Round 3, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: 1B J. Payne
Round 3, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: RF P. Acevedo
Round 3, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: SS C. Spencer
Round 3, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: 2B K. Johnson
Round 3, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: CF D. Rice
Round 3, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: SP D. Elistratov
Round 3, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: SP J. García
Round 2
Round 2, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: 1B B. Hampton
Round 2, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C M. Peet
Round 2, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: CF C. Wagner
Round 2, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: 1B D. Ruíz
Round 2, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: LF C. Drew
Round 2, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: SP W. Scott
Round 2, Pick 7 - Compton Brothers: SP M. Austin
Round 2, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: MR D. Brewer
Round 2, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP B. King
Round 2, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: 1B J. Hernández
Round 2, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: LF B. Hackwell
Round 2, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: SS W. Edwards
Round 2, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: C R. Daniels
Round 2, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: C B. Fuller
Round 2, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: SP M. Rodríguez
Round 2, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: LF D. Hurley

[JimmyOOTP]

1970 DRAFT

Here are the first round picks:


Round 1
Round 1, Pick 1 - Quad City Thunderstorms: 1B L. Mendoza
Round 1, Pick 2 - Texas Copperheads: C L. Palmer
Round 1, Pick 3 - Seattle Armada: RF C. Weighell
Round 1, Pick 4 - Baltimore Terrapins: 3B A. Summers
Round 1, Pick 5 - Atlanta Firecrackers: 1B H. Matthews
Round 1, Pick 6 - Rio Grande Roadrunners: LF D. O'Cleary
Round 1, Pick 7 - Compton Brothers: 2B C. Hernández
Round 1, Pick 8 - Colorado Rancheros: 2B E. Finch
Round 1, Pick 9 - El Paso Alligators: SP I. Valle
Round 1, Pick 10 - Boston Settlers: SP R. Cook
Round 1, Pick 11 - Hartford Harpooners: SP D. Adams
Round 1, Pick 12 - Ann Arbor Wolverines: LF L. Davis
Round 1, Pick 13 - New York Highlanders: LF A. Shimizu
Round 1, Pick 14 - Baltimore Terrapins: C M. Shepherd
Round 1, Pick 15 - Valdosta Peanuts: SP D. Paul
Round 1, Pick 16 - Brooklyn Brownstones: LF E. Cronie


I put the SS at #1 wtf and also i notice i only got one pick unless you traded comptons?

[Young Drachma]

I put the SS at #1 wtf and also i notice i only got one pick unless you traded comptons?

Yup, in the Harris trade.

[Alan T]

I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't let the AI do it. Worst case, you just have to make trades to get the players you want or trade up to increase the likelihood of getting what you want.

I mean, I understand getting who you want...but in a league like this...I dunno. Seems like more hassle than it's worth.

You make it sound like people actually want to trade! :)

[JimmyOOTP]

Ok but i put micheal cols SS at #1 and i don't even see him drafted.

[muns]

Wow im surprised so far at my draft choices. I like 3 out of my frist 4 so far..

[Alan T]

Ok but i put micheal cols SS at #1 and i don't even see him drafted.

If he wasn't drafted at all, he might have been one of the ones that went to the VL

[Young Drachma]

1970 SPRING TRAINING STANDINGS

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CONTINENTAL LEAGUE
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Valdosta (15-9)
New York (15-9)
Brooklyn (14-10)
Rio Grande (14-10)
Toronto (14-10)
Texas (9-15)
Atlanta (9-15)
Baltimore (6-18)

REPUBLIC LEAGUE
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Boston (14-10)
Seattle (13-11)
Compton (13-11)
Hartford (13-11)
Colorado (12-12)
Quad City (11-13)
El Paso (11-13)
Ann Arbor (9-15)


Just so those new to the league know, spring training is played with player fatigue (not pitcher fatigue) off. So...it's a little deceiving, just FYI.

[JimmyOOTP]

Yeah he is 4 star and 5 star protential and i needed a SS badly so i put him first on my list. That's crazy

[muns]

Ok but i put micheal cols SS at #1 and i don't even see him drafted.

The draft got changed due to the influx of talent. All the guys with gold stars of like 2 and above went into the vulture league, so that would include your boy

[Young Drachma]

Ok but i put micheal cols SS at #1 and i don't even see him drafted.

He plays for the Florida Marlins of the Vulture League. He said he'll see you in a few years when he's eligible to be a free agent and you can pay him "what he is worth in the open market."

[Alan T]

Wow im surprised so far at my draft choices. I like 3 out of my frist 4 so far..

I did a 20 person draft list and got my first 4 rounds of picks from it, so I am pretty happy.

[Young Drachma]

and a'uploading we go.

[Alan T]

1970 SPRING TRAINING STANDINGS

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CONTINENTAL LEAGUE
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Valdosta (15-9)
New York (15-9)
Brooklyn (14-10)
Rio Grande (14-10)
Toronto (14-10)
Texas (9-15)
Atlanta (9-15)
Baltimore (6-18)

REPUBLIC LEAGUE
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Boston (14-10)
Seattle (13-11)
Compton (13-11)
Hartford (13-11)
Colorado (12-12)
Quad City (11-13)
El Paso (11-13)
Ann Arbor (9-15)

Just so those new to the league know, spring training is played with player fatigue (not pitcher fatigue) off. So...it's a little deceiving, just FYI.


That and I had 32 people on my spring training roster!

[muns]

I did a 20 person draft list and got my first 4 rounds of picks from it, so I am pretty happy.

Did you leave everything blank after you ranked the 20?

[JimmyOOTP]

ahh, i must have missed that. Oh we'll theres always next season.

[Alan T]

Did you leave everything blank after you ranked the 20?

Yeah, just let the AI run it from there.

[Young Drachma]

You make it sound like people actually want to trade! :)

Silly me. I also got a player I don't really care about at #1. But then, this is the first time I've ever drafted and had it matter. So...I was a little new to the process. ;)

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I decided to post something at OOTP about the Draft List issue, as I didn't see anything in the technical forums about it.

If you feel like it (and hopefully you do), please follow the link below and post in support. Mucho gracias.


http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-9-technical-support/171582-draft-list-issue.html#post2557187

[muns]

Yeah, just let the AI run it from there.


I didnt know you could do that.... I thought if i left spots blank some dumb stuff would happen.....:rolleyes:

Looks like I know what to do next season. Thanks for the help Alan

[Alan T]

Silly me. I also got a player I don't really care about at #1. But then, this is the first time I've ever drafted and had it matter. So...I was a little new to the process. ;)

Yeah, I know the feeling. At the place I draft it usually isn't what 5 star player I want.. its which of the left overs fit my system the best :) Which is probably how it should be.

[Alan T]

I didnt know you could do that.... I thought if i left spots blank some dumb stuff would happen.....:rolleyes:

Looks like I know what to do next season. Thanks for the help Alan

Well, letting the AI draft for you could = dumb stuff happening at times :)

I just figure once I got to the players which would be longshots anyways, it doesn't really matter if I get that MR with 1 star potential in the 5th round or the 2B with potential 45 contact in the 5th round.

[Chief Rum]

I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't let the AI do it. Worst case, you just have to make trades to get the players you want or trade up to increase the likelihood of getting what you want.

I mean, I understand getting who you want...but in a league like this...I dunno. Seems like more hassle than it's worth.

Because the hassle is still worth it over letting the AI pick. That's one God awful AI.

[muns]

1970 SPRING TRAINING STANDINGS

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CONTINENTAL LEAGUE
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Valdosta (15-9)
New York (15-9)
Brooklyn (14-10)
Rio Grande (14-10)
Toronto (14-10)
Texas (9-15)
Atlanta (9-15)
Baltimore (6-18)

REPUBLIC LEAGUE
----
Boston (14-10)
Seattle (13-11)
Compton (13-11)
Hartford (13-11)
Colorado (12-12)
Quad City (11-13)
El Paso (11-13)
Ann Arbor (9-15)


Just so those new to the league know, spring training is played with player fatigue (not pitcher fatigue) off. So...it's a little deceiving, just FYI.

Well thats an nice sign for Hartford. Going 13-11 and I DFA all my stars and let the guys on the fringe battle it out for the left over roster spots. Love the Pariety in both leagues though

[JimmyOOTP]

Good job DC thanks for the speedy draft:)

[Young Drachma]

Last year, in spring training, future CL Champ Brooklyn went 10-14. Compton went 14-10. Neither finished 1st in spring training. I'm still not sure it's ever happened that the spring training champ managed to win it all. It's a curse. ;)

[JimmyOOTP]

What time you usually do the sunday classic? i finish work at 6pm eastern time, it's why i ask.

[Chief Rum]

Turns out it was worth it. I drafted players from my list through Round Eight, and players with an MLB future made that list. Of course, I didn't pick in the fifth round, and five of them were MRs, but it was still a pretty nice draft. Those five actually were probably five of the best 15 arms available, including, IMO, the best two MRs.

My only disappointment is that the 2B I drafted in the 1st Round didn;t look so good to me after I drafted him as he did when I put him on the list. Good player and all, but not sure he was worth the 8th pick.

[Young Drachma]

File is up

[muns]

Okay, I decided to post something at OOTP about the Draft List issue, as I didn't see anything in the technical forums about it.

If you feel like it (and hopefully you do), please follow the link below and post in support. Mucho gracias.


http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/ootp-9-technical-support/171582-draft-list-issue.html#post2557187

I posted under ya Chief

[Chief Rum]

What time you usually do the sunday classic? i finish work at 6pm eastern time, it's why i ask.

Don't worry, you won't be in it.

OOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

[Young Drachma]

What time you usually do the sunday classic? i finish work at 6pm eastern time, it's why i ask.

Exports are always due at 10pm eastern. Usually, I start simming later than that unless no one is around and no one has alerted me that they need a little bit of extra time.

[Young Drachma]

1970 Season Thread - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1804138#post1804138)

[ekcut]

1970 SPRING TRAINING STANDINGS

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CONTINENTAL LEAGUE
---
Valdosta (15-9)
New York (15-9)
Brooklyn (14-10)
Rio Grande (14-10)
Toronto (14-10)
Texas (9-15)
Atlanta (9-15)
Baltimore (6-18)

REPUBLIC LEAGUE
----
Boston (14-10)
Seattle (13-11)
Compton (13-11)
Hartford (13-11)
Colorado (12-12)
Quad City (11-13)
El Paso (11-13)
Ann Arbor (9-15)


Just so those new to the league know, spring training is played with player fatigue (not pitcher fatigue) off. So...it's a little deceiving, just FYI.

Well I guess this goes to prove that money can't buy me love!

[Chief Rum]

Well I guess this goes to prove that money can't buy me love!

You kiddin' me? It proves you're the CL front runner! Tops in Spring Training is the kiss of death, proven over time. :)

[ekcut]

You kiddin' me? It proves you're the CL front runner! Tops in Spring Training is the kiss of death, proven over time. :)

I sure hope you are right! But 6 wins makes it very hard to be optimistic!! ;)