1969 Offseason Thread

[Young Drachma]

The votes on active roster and salary cap are the only proposed changes for this year. Fret not, amigos about anything else.

[Young Drachma]

Oh and of course, we'll be deleting the summer league next pre-season.

[Young Drachma]

Rio Grande: $5 million
Colorado: $2.5 million
Brooklyn & Ann Arbor: $1.25 million each

[Alan T]

Grats to Rio Grande!

[gstelmack]

Win 4 more games than last year, but squeezed out by 1 game on the playoff share...

[Cringer]

International players are looking very good, very young, and very expensive. I can't afford any of them so far. I am tight for money but the guy I signed last, Juan Navarro, was pretty cheap compared to most of these guys.

Were young superstars the purpose of the Int. vulture league?

[Young Drachma]

International players are looking very good, very young, and very expensive. I can't afford any of them so far. I am tight for money but the guy I signed last, Juan Navarro, was pretty cheap compared to most of these guys.

Were young superstars the purpose of the Int. vulture league?

No, the purpose of the Vulture League was to provide international talent. They are generated young. Would you like me to increase the age of the players down there? I figured it would be good to have young phenoms coming up, like foreign draftees, but if we wanna have it be more "balanced" I can control for that to some degree, though it'll take a few years to make it really work right.

[Cringer]

It just seems like a large number of fully developed 20 year olds this year. I understand the guy I grabbed, Navarro, and the guy Colorado grabbed and almost killed me in the Classic with, were the same way. Maybe I didn't notice there being as many last year and there were though, it is just there seem to be a lot this time around. 15-20 guys coming over from Japan every year who are 19-22 and in the lineup right away does seem a little out of whack to me.

Maybe I am just jealous I have no shot at Rich Lang. ;) Unless some other guys have a big problem with it I can live with it just fine.

[Alan T]

I don't mind a small amount of international league talent infused into the league.. It shouldn't be more than 1 star type player a year though (which is what it seems to be from what I have seen). It provides a nice balance for teams to have to decide to build through the draft, free agency or whatnot.

I don't think these players should be top 10 type allstars, but I don't see why they can't be a top5 on a team type.

The main issues I had with the other various systems is they didn't have any accountability or system to getting the players (ie: the way OOTP handles signing for prospects or the autofill randomly giving some teams great players and others not so great).. This way they are developed players, OOTP's free agency handles them a bit better and it is not so much talent to saturate the league.

Not sure I'm in love with it yet, but I don't see any problem running it for a few years to see how it works out for us.

[Young Drachma]

It just seems like a large number of fully developed 20 year olds this year. I understand the guy I grabbed, Navarro, and the guy Colorado grabbed and almost killed me in the Classic with, were the same way. Maybe I didn't notice there being as many last year and there were though, it is just there seem to be a lot this time around. 15-20 guys coming over from Japan every year who are 19-22 and in the lineup right away does seem a little out of whack to me.

Maybe I am just jealous I have no shot at Rich Lang. ;) Unless some other guys have a big problem with it I can live with it just fine.

I decided to change the age group options from youthful to 23 to 27, so the created players will come out older and I can make them stay down there a lot longer, so the talent infusion isn't as catastrophic.

[Chief Rum]

Anybody else having trouble connecting to the FTP server? I can't seem to download the league files.

[Young Drachma]

Running the file. Well I'd started a few minutes ago.

[Chief Rum]

Running the file. Well I'd started a few minutes ago.

So you suggesting that might be the reason I can't download the file then? :)

[Young Drachma]

Uploading the free agency file now.

[Young Drachma]

So you suggesting that might be the reason I can't download the file then? :)

Perhaps, kind sir. Perhaps.

[Young Drachma]

File is 47MB and at 7%

[Young Drachma]

I forgot to lower box scores, etc., so the file is still huge and slow. At 87%

[Young Drachma]

Nevermind that. I am going to bed, but game said the file is up and didn't report an error. It ought to work just fine.

[Chief Rum]

Maybe it said that for you, but I am still getting a can't find FTP connection error.

It might be just my connection. My Internet connection has been really hazy tonight. But just in case...thought I would let you know.

[Commo_Soldier]

It found the file for me and is downloading.

[Chief Rum]

Got it to work.

[Cringer]

Couldn't make it work with Ron Wilson, which I kind of figured. The search for a new guy to put into the rotation starts.

[Young Drachma]

Ed Wilson's consecutive games streak of 28 games is in threat, as Rick Inman is at 24 games to end last year and counting...

[Alan T]

DC I need a few minutes before tonight's sim. Ran late on some stuff. I will be quick

[Alan T]

Ok, all set!

[Young Drachma]

Ok, lemme get things together.

[Alan T]

Bah, have a bad feeling with the last minute deals my free agent target is about to get poached!

[Young Drachma]

November 4th, 1968: CF Rich Lang (Vulture League) signed a 6 year/$96 million deal with Brooklyn

[Young Drachma]

CL Pete McKeane (Hartford) signed a 3 year deal worth $21.2 million with Compton

SP Pablo Gonzalez signed a 3 year extension with Colorado

[Young Drachma]

C Stanford Jones resigned with Hartford for 4 years and $36.1 million

2B Fred Lindsay (NYH) signed a 3 year deal worth $7.7 million with Atlanta

2B Nathan Adams (CPT) signed a 2 year deal worth $2.2 million with Brooklyn

C Alfredo Zamora (LBI) signed a 2 year deal worth $2.7 million with Ann Arbor

[Young Drachma]

SP Ron Wilson signed a 3 year deal worth $15.4 million with Baltimore

3B Chris Foster signed a 3 year deal worth $17.9 million with Ann Arbor

SP Gabriel Prado signed a 4 year deal worth $45.2 million with Valdosta

[Young Drachma]

Bah, have a bad feeling with the last minute deals my free agent target is about to get poached!

I tried, but...you came in at the last minute and stole 'em. Good work. ;)

[Alan T]

I tried, but...you came in at the last minute and stole 'em. Good work. ;)


Thank goodness! I put all of my free agent money available on him. If i hadn't signed him that would be 2 offseasons without any above average pickup! (Draft or Free agent).

Hopefully he fills what I think is my only glaring hole!

[Chief Rum]

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

[Cringer]

Ron Wilson is 100% gone now. :( I gave it one last shot but not enough room under the cap to offer much, so I figured he was gone.

Rich Lang in Brooklyn will be interesting.

[Young Drachma]

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.

[Young Drachma]

Baltimore signed SP Alden Hendricks to a 3 year deal worth $19.1 million

[Alan T]

So what on Earth do you guys do to get a bite in the trade market? Because I have some pretty good players on the block, and not one bite. Not even a PM. Very frustrating.

I hardly ever get trade offers either. I think you have to go out and make your own trade offers to others (I know it is tough with your schedule though). I assume my lack of offers right now is because what I want, no one wants to trade (Top Starting pitching for top level prospects).

I've been watching to see what people are offering to make an offer myself to someone, but no one is mentioning wanting to trade starting pitching, and other than Shortstop, I don't have any desire to trade for other positions.

[Young Drachma]

Packing the file up now.

[ekcut]

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.
Bingo...I wasn't shopping Williams but DC made me an offer I couldnt refuse.

[Young Drachma]

I hardly ever get trade offers either. I think you have to go out and make your own trade offers to others (I know it is tough with your schedule though). I assume my lack of offers right now is because what I want, no one wants to trade (Top Starting pitching for top level prospects).

I've been watching to see what people are offering to make an offer myself to someone, but no one is mentioning wanting to trade starting pitching, and other than Shortstop, I don't have any desire to trade for other positions.

Also the better your team, the harder it is to trade. Colorado has been to 2 of the last 3 FOOL Classics. Making deals when you're on top is hard, because everyone is gunning for you.

When you're a "few away" it's easier to make a deal when you're willing to give up the farm to get close to the big guns. It's a very high risk, high reward way to live. And some teams aren't looking to do to the 2 for 1 deals that you'd expect in a usual trade market.

I think it's an ebb and flow thing that'll change based on the composition of our owner groups, etc.

[Chief Rum]

I usually HAVE to make an offer before anyone will write back. If you go through and make a trade proposal, you increase the likelihood significantly that you're going to pull a deal. Not always, but it saves down on legwork.

I won't ever make trades then. I don't have a schedule conducive to making trades.

Really, it's stupid. There are far too many good players on my team that could start elsewhere, but because half the owners won't get off their butts to look, these guys just stay with me.

I guess I'll keep them.

[Chief Rum]

Bingo...I wasn't shopping Williams but DC made me an offer I couldnt refuse.

Did it occur to you that the guy who offered you a boatload last year for Williams might be interested in trying to top the offer you got this year from Compton?

[Young Drachma]

I haven't made a trade in any off-season that's done anything but get me frustrating close. I'm running an expansion team tho, so I don't really have the advantage that I had say, when I was running St. Louis and a farm system that I was building from scratch, I'm just trying to build around key positions and hope they gel in the right year to get us to the promised land. It's a very risky strategy and I've spent a lot of money pursuing it. Part of why I keep going with it, is because of the investment I've already made that it would be hard now, to stop in mid-stream and start over...but I'm more discerning about making signings to make a splash and become a little better at reading the market. Our top teams seem to be building from within, while making key signings to keep themselves on top.

[Chief Rum]

Also the better your team, the harder it is to trade. Colorado has been to 2 of the last 3 FOOL Classics. Making deals when you're on top is hard, because everyone is gunning for you.

When you're a "few away" it's easier to make a deal when you're willing to give up the farm to get close to the big guns. It's a very high risk, high reward way to live. And some teams aren't looking to do to the 2 for 1 deals that you'd expect in a usual trade market.

I think it's an ebb and flow thing that'll change based on the composition of our owner groups, etc.

Sorry, but that's bull. There have been plenty of teams who look very good already such as your St. Louis in the past or New York or Texas or Hartford who still pulled off deals.

No, it's clearly something in my approach, so I'll just have to do something different.

[Young Drachma]

File is 20.25 MB, 30% done.

[ekcut]

Did it occur to you that the guy who offered you a boatload last year for Williams might be interested in trying to top the offer you got this year from Compton?

Yup....but if I was going to do it, I was going to do it before this sim so that the money I could save I could use on FA's this year. I didn't have time to shop around...I suppose I could of emailed every team in the league to see who was willing to top the offer...but what makes you think I have any more free time than you?

[Young Drachma]

85% done.

[Alan T]

Yup....but if I was going to do it, I was going to do it before this sim so that the money I could save I could use on FA's this year. I didn't have time to shop around...I suppose I could of emailed every team in the league to see who was willing to top the offer...but what makes you think I have any more free time than you?

I don't have a horse in this race here, but you probably could have gotten more offers if you had posted on the trade block that you were looking to move him. I know at least a few people who check each trade block post in case there is someone they are interested in. (In the past when I put a star player up, I had a few people come back with questions or offers).


On a slightly related note, It seems the trade block is far more effective when people post their players they are looking to move rather than when teams post their needs. For instance I don't usually get any offers to try to fill up my needs.

[Young Drachma]

File is up.

[Chief Rum]

Yup....but if I was going to do it, I was going to do it before this sim so that the money I could save I could use on FA's this year. I didn't have time to shop around...I suppose I could of emailed every team in the league to see who was willing to top the offer...but what makes you think I have any more free time than you?

You didn't have to email everyone in the league. You already knew one owner who would be interested--me. You would think just out of the possibility of getting a counter offer alone would lead you to at least drop me a quick PM. Not much time wasted in that.

The money thing is the best point I see here, so I can't argue with you there. But that doesn't mean that at least a slight effort to see what else you could get wouldn't have produced results (and I guarantee you at least would have gotten an offer--and a strong one--from me).

[ekcut]

You didn't have to email everyone in the league. You already knew one owner who would be interested--me. You would think just out of the possibility of getting a counter offer alone would lead you to at least drop me a quick PM. Not much time wasted in that.

The money thing is the best point I see here, so I can't argue with you there. But that doesn't mean that at least a slight effort to see what else you could get wouldn't have produced results (and I guarantee you at least would have gotten an offer--and a strong one--from me).

I seem to recall you also being interested in 2B Ben Harris....who is also no longer untouchable....very interesting indeed! ;)

[Chief Rum]

I seem to recall you also being interested in 2B Jones....who is also no longer untouchable....very interesting indeed! ;)

I will certainly take a look at him. That said, it was really the pitcher I needed for this team. And still need. I will take a look at Jones and evaluate where he could be a good fit for me, but I need to also evaluate the other #1/#2 pitchers out there that may be available. I don't know enough yet to know if I can make a pitch for both.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, thought we were going to go to Dec. 18 on this sim now to see the draftees?

[Cringer]

I signed a bunch of minor leaguers. I am pretty pumped about that. ;)

[Commo_Soldier]

Well a good start to Brooklyns offseason by landing a potential HOF in Lang and re-aquiring the newly released Nathan Adams.

[gstelmack]

My problems with trades are:

1) I like most of my team, so I'm not hunting down other guys. I also don't have a lot to give up, except last season when I had a bullpen logjam. So when someone said "hey, I need a MR" I made an offer.

2) I don't have time to go look up each and every player everyone posts in the trade block, and I've run across too many "hey, here's 2B so-and-so" who turns out to be an attempt to dump some mediocre guy, who might help some but won't fit what I'm trying to do. Post some info about the guys, not just a list. Otherwise I'm kind of skipping through unless I'm really desperate for something.

I'll look at offers that come my way, but I just do not have the time to go do the research on guys on the block to determine if there is a fit for me.

[gstelmack]

Well, missed out on Lang, but 2B John Bruce comes to town for $53mil over 5 years. He's very excited to join the distinguished list of big-time stars who come to Boston and immediately tank, deciding to just take the money and not work at all...

[Young Drachma]

Well, missed out on Lang, but 2B John Bruce comes to town for $53mil over 5 years. He's very excited to join the distinguished list of big-time stars who come to Boston and immediately tank, deciding to just take the money and not work at all...

Compton is starting to be the place where young stars come to die. Fear not, my friend.

[gstelmack]

BTW, thought we were going to go to Dec. 18 on this sim now to see the draftees?

Good question, as going to Dec 1 prevented the draft list from showing. Or did something else change to make the draftees available earlier?

[Young Drachma]

Actually, for some reason, the game is telling me the draft class won't be revealed until January 30th. I have no idea why this is the case, though. So maybe we don't need a new file and we'll just sim to that date tonight, so you all can see the draft class.

[Alan T]

Actually, for some reason, the game is telling me the draft class won't be revealed until January 30th. I have no idea why this is the case, though. So maybe we don't need a new file and we'll just sim to that date tonight, so you all can see the draft class.

That would seem to signify an April 15th draft if you still have it set to reveal 75 days in advanced.

[Young Drachma]

That would seem to signify an April 15th draft if you still have it set to reveal 75 days in advanced.

Nope, it's still set in-game to March 1st. I have no idea why it's doing that, to be honest. Actually, I take that back. I know what happened. When the draft problems happened last time, I tried to see if I could set another draft for April 1st and the game let me do it in the same year. I obviously changed it and we didn't run another draft, but I guess the game is too dumb to know to adapt the date of the draft pool revealing once you change the draft date.

[JeeberD]

Hey DC, is there any way to see if I had a full file uploaded? I was in the process of doing it when we had a power surge and the computer went out. I'm pretty sure that it had enough time to do it, but I want to be positive. And I can't remember the exact offers I made, so I don't want to do it again from scratch if I don't have to...

[Alan T]

Hey DC, is there any way to see if I had a full file uploaded? I was in the process of doing it when we had a power surge and the computer went out. I'm pretty sure that it had enough time to do it, but I want to be positive. And I can't remember the exact offers I made, so I don't want to do it again from scratch if I don't have to...

I think you can do this by choosing to import your team file from ftp rather than export it.. however if the full file was not uploaded then it obviously won't be valid.

[JeeberD]

That worked. Thank you, Alan...

[Young Drachma]

and away we go...

[Chief Rum]

So this sim takes us to just before spring training, right? I always confuse myself about the schedule around now.

[Young Drachma]

Tonight's file is to the start of the pre-season or in our case, a few days after that, so the draft pool can be revealed. But yes, tomorrow is spring training and the draft.

[Chief Rum]

Tonight's file is to the start of the pre-season or in our case, a few days after that, so the draft pool can be revealed. But yes, tomorrow is spring training and the draft.

Cool. Hopefully my ST/draft file actually shows up on the FTP server this time.

[Young Drachma]

Cool. Hopefully my ST/draft file actually shows up on the FTP server this time.

I do too. I'll quadruple check before running it this time, so as to avoid any draft mishaps.

[Young Drachma]

Rick Inman signed a 5 year $59.3 million extension in Valdosta

Toshi Tono went to El Paso for 4 years and $37.6 million

Jose Muniz went to Atlanta for 3 years and $2.5 million

Jose Martinez is in Brooklyn for 1 year and $8.3 million

Dave Myers signed with Ann Arbor for 4 years and $16.3 million

Bob Bath signed with Ann Arbor for 4 years and $39 million

Compton signed OF Ogai Yamazaki for 3 years and $41.3 million

Ann Arbor signed Tom Campbell to a 3 year deal worth $22.7 million

[Young Drachma]

I need to fix minor league schedules today, too. And delete the summer league.

[Young Drachma]

I deleted the entire Vulture League and added a slate of new players aged 22-28, so it'll stave off the influx of young phenoms entering the league and will make it the occasional player.

[Chief Rum]

I deleted the entire Vulture League and added a slate of new players aged 22-28, so it'll stave off the influx of young phenoms entering the league and will make it the occasional player.

The Vulture League? Don't you mean the summer league? Just checking.

[Young Drachma]

The Vulture League? Don't you mean the summer league? Just checking.

No. The summer league is deleted and the Vulture League's players were deleted and replaced with new ones. The new ones aren't as young as the original set that we've been getting in our ranks of late, to deal with influx of young players coming to our league.

The file is uploading now. I redid all of the minor league schedules, too. Or at least, regenerated them.

[Young Drachma]

72% done.

[Young Drachma]

File is up.

[Commo_Soldier]

Well with my offseason moves complete by adding Lang and bringing back Nathan Adams and Jose Martinez in addition to a few other players this is the first year I really expect Brooklyn to compete for 1st place.

[gstelmack]

I can't get to the FTP server this morning. I'll check again in a bit.

[gstelmack]

Seems to be coming down fine now.

[gstelmack]

Man I'm getting excited about this season. With my pitching staff and a pretty good offensive lineup, this team had better be in the pennant race...

[Alan T]

This is going to be an exciting year for me as well. The "Win Window" for my team is pretty close to being shut, as my starting pitching staff is about to age out as well as former MVP Heath Palmer. I think this might be my last season to be a true contender before my core players get too old.

I have alot of solid youngsters, but I can't imagine that there won't be a year or so bump as I have to retool certain positions in the next offseason or two though... so I'll be hoping that my team holds it together for a second run at the championship game, this time with better results.

[ekcut]

I am on the other side of the spectrum. I traded my ace for prospects, and have made several lateral signings. I FINALLY have some top 100 prospects, which I havent had in my 1st two seasons (although looking at that list, I have my doubts about the scouts AI) but those prospects are a few seasons off. So I am stuck envying even the also-rans again...look for me at the bottom of the division.
I'm glad this is a fast paced league :)

[Cringer]

My team surprised me some last year, and I am not sure I can repeat just because of the odds of it. I also think losing SP Ron Wilson hurts us enough we miss out on the CL title again, but I sure hope to keep it close. We also had some career years last year to get us that title. So I wait to see if my offense can keep close to the level they played last year.

[Young Drachma]

Losing out on Prado really threw a wrench in my plans. Building a team around depth hasn't worked for me since the early days of the St. Louis dynasty, as a result, I'm worried that we'll be again shut out of the money in Compton. The reason for the win window post is that I know that we're running out of time with this group and with a league full of teams that have horses competing at the top, it's hard for us to really sift through that and find major success.

I think we'll be amongst the top teams, but I'm not right now convinced that we're a threat to win the league and that sucks, a lot.

[Alan T]

Losing out on Prado really threw a wrench in my plans. Building a team around depth hasn't worked for me since the early days of the St. Louis dynasty, as a result, I'm worried that we'll be again shut out of the money in Compton. The reason for the win window post is that I know that we're running out of time with this group and with a league full of teams that have horses competing at the top, it's hard for us to really sift through that and find major success.

I think we'll be amongst the top teams, but I'm not right now convinced that we're a threat to win the league and that sucks, a lot.

I think you and I are in similar spots. The difference in me getting to the championship game and not last year was a fade in my starting pitching (namely my Ace Bryan hughes).. So Prado really was a must get for me. If I didn't get him, I pretty much had a difficult choice of looking to retool some or what to do. Now with Prado, I think my team is not quite as good as it was 2 years ago, but it should be slightly better than last year.. which should be enough to at least compete.

[Chief Rum]

DC, if you don't mind holding off a few minutes, I am still organizing my lineups and draft list. I'll get it up shortly.

[Alan T]

Err was the draft pool released already? crap need to do my draft list too.. will only take me a sec!

[Alan T]

Ok, I'm all set!

[Chief Rum]

Ok, I'm all set!

Show off. I am still wrapping that up. Lineups are set, though.

[Alan T]

Show off. I am still wrapping that up. Lineups are set, though.


To be fair, I did most of my export earlier. Just didn't do the draft part till now :)

[Chief Rum]

Okay, my file is up.

I actually gave up on the draft list. This may be the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen. I will put one guy in one place, and the list removes a completely unrelated, previously-placed player from the list. WTF?!? And the list highlights players in green, but the second you place someone in the list, all of the green highlights go away. I say again, WTF?!? WTF?!?

Honestly, a monkey could have done a better job with this feature. Sorry, it's just the God's honest truth.

[Commo_Soldier]

Okay, my file is up.

I actually gave up on the draft list. This may be the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen. I will put one guy in one place, and the list removes a completely unrelated, previously-placed player from the list. WTF?!? And the list highlights players in green, but the second you place someone in the list, all of the green highlights go away. I say again, WTF?!? WTF?!?

Honestly, a monkey could have done a better job with this feature. Sorry, it's just the God's honest truth.

I had that exact same problem. I think the problem is you are not allowed to move a player down from the top a second time. The best thing I found was move all the players down on one list and only one time and them dragging them from the bottom portion and not the top if you need to reorder the list. Once I did this I never had any problems.

[Young Drachma]

SALARY CAP STATUS as of Jan. 28, 1969

Rank Team Payroll
1 Valdosta Peanuts $67,081,370
2 Brooklyn Brownstones $66,900,000
3 Ann Arbor Wolverines $66,180,000
4 El Paso Alligators $65,140,350
5 Compton Brothers $64,709,480
6 Rio Grande Roadrunners $64,027,150
7 Hartford Harpooners $61,901,620
8 Colorado Rancheros $60,155,450
9 Seattle Armada $58,558,180
10 Baltimore Terrapins $54,805,160
11 Atlanta Firecrackers $49,936,250
12 New York Highlanders $45,420,800
13 Boston Settlers $42,112,100
14 Chicago Comets $34,214,200
15 Texas Copperheads $33,900,220
16 Long Beach Island Atlantics $16,120,710

[Commo_Soldier]

SALARY CAP STATUS as of Jan. 28, 1969

Rank Team Payroll
1 Valdosta Peanuts $67,081,370
2 Brooklyn Brownstones $66,900,000
3 Ann Arbor Wolverines $66,180,000
4 El Paso Alligators $65,140,350
5 Compton Brothers $64,709,480
6 Rio Grande Roadrunners $64,027,150
7 Hartford Harpooners $61,901,620
8 Colorado Rancheros $60,155,450
9 Seattle Armada $58,558,180
10 Baltimore Terrapins $54,805,160
11 Atlanta Firecrackers $49,936,250
12 New York Highlanders $45,420,800
13 Boston Settlers $42,112,100
14 Chicago Comets $34,214,200
15 Texas Copperheads $33,900,220
16 Long Beach Island Atlantics $16,120,710


I had a question on this in the questions thread. It says I am over here but if you go to my front office and look at my salary report it lists that all my players only make 65 million on the dot.

[Young Drachma]

Valdosta, Brooklyn, Ann Arbor and El Paso need to get under the cap. The number I've used universally is the player payroll number in the Front Office ---> Finances tab.

[Commo_Soldier]

I am just curious how the game generates these numbers when my salary report says differently?

[Chief Rum]

I had that exact same problem. I think the problem is you are not allowed to move a player down from the top a second time. The best thing I found was move all the players down on one list and only one time and them dragging them from the bottom portion and not the top if you need to reorder the list. Once I did this I never had any problems.

Doesn't work for me. I haven't been redragging players from the top. Once they are in the list, that's where I work from, and I am constantly switching around to get the green highlights to come back (why, Markus, do I have to do this?), so I know who's in the list and who isn't.

No, I bring someone new down to the list, someone who was never placed there, and a previous guy just disappears from the list. Or he switches to another spot on the list. Or the guy I drop onto the list doesn't go where I put him.

It's a wasted feature and mind-boggingly frustrating. And one that, from a programming standpoint, is as easy as circle peg goes in the circle hole. It's click and play. What this screen calls for, outside of the AI suggest, is the equivalent of the type of exercise you find in examples on basic programming.

Click, drag, release. Shouldn't be this hard.

[Chief Rum]

I am just curious how the game generates these numbers when my salary report says differently?

Didn't you already figure this out? You said above you dropped a player with a salary. I guess even though he isn't on your roster anymore, he is still a part of your player expenses for this year.

[Commo_Soldier]

Didn't you already figure this out? You said above you dropped a player with a salary. I guess even though he isn't on your roster anymore, he is still a part of your player expenses for this year.


I thought so, but how am I able to get under the cap if it will not take them off of my expenses?

[Young Drachma]

Didn't you already figure this out? You said above you dropped a player with a salary. I guess even though he isn't on your roster anymore, he is still a part of your player expenses for this year.

But he wouldn't show up on the salary cap figure.

They have until the start of the season to get under the cap. This was just the cap check.

I'm running stuff now.

[Young Drachma]

I thought so, but how am I able to get under the cap if it will not take them off of my expenses?

If you release them, they'll be off your cap. Player expenses is different than the cap and all it does is make you pay them, but they come off the cap.

[Chief Rum]

If you release them, they'll be off your cap. Player expenses is different than the cap and all it does is make you pay them, but they come off the cap.

Well, then , we're back to the question of how Commo's numbers are different. If it's the released player thing, why is he being shown as over the cap?

[Commo_Soldier]

If you release them, they'll be off your cap. Player expenses is different than the cap and all it does is make you pay them, but they come off the cap.

That is the problem I have no idea who makes what since my salary report says I am on the dot. In fact out of the top teams all are under except Compton at 65.6 million and Valdosta at 65.55 million when you look at all levels.

[Young Drachma]

I've calculated the cap the same way each season using the same figure from the same place.

[Commo_Soldier]

Ok, I finally found out why I am above. It is because I brought up all my minor-league contracts due to spring training.

[Chief Rum]

I've calculated the cap the same way each season using the same figure from the same place.

Hmm, why are you having to calculate the cap? The game doesn't do this itself?

[Commo_Soldier]

After reviewing this I think we should look at the salary reports as well and add up any players making money in the minors. There were only about 4 teams, but their salaries do not show up on your cap number because they are not on the active roster and this could be a way to stash players and circumvent the cap.

[Young Drachma]

Packing and uploading the file now.

[Chief Rum]

After reviewing this I think we should look at the salary reports as well and add up any players making money in the minors. There were only about 4 teams, but their salaries do not show up on your cap number because they are not on the active roster and this could be a way to stash players and circumvent the cap.

Hmm, but I know that's not always true. A couple of the big contracts I handed out on first joining the league didn't end up being such good contracts, and I had them in the minors for the last couple of years of those deals. I remember seeing those ugly contracts on my salary list every year they were there, lol.

[Young Drachma]

Hmm, why are you having to calculate the cap? The game doesn't do this itself?

I'm not "calculating" anything. I read what the game says player payroll is at, using where it's located on the financial report generated by the game.

[Young Drachma]

After reviewing this I think we should look at the salary reports as well and add up any players making money in the minors. There were only about 4 teams, but their salaries do not show up on your cap number because they are not on the active roster and this could be a way to stash players and circumvent the cap.

The game calculates an active roster payroll number that separates it from the minor league salaries. I think that we'll start using that number, rather than the one we've been using. I wanted to do this in the past, but at the time, I was afraid it'd look like a self-serving measure to keep Compton under the cap.

Given the current status of things with more teams having the problem, it seems that would be a smarter way to go and it would be less rancor incurring a decision to make.

I'll show a screen shot of what I'm talking about, after the file goes up, because I don't have access to do that right now since it's packing.

[Commo_Soldier]

The game calculates an active roster payroll number that separates it from the minor league salaries. I think that we'll start using that number, rather than the one we've been using. I wanted to do this in the past, but at the time, I was afraid it'd look like a self-serving measure to keep Compton under the cap.

Given the current status of things with more teams having the problem, it seems that would be a smarter way to go and it would be less rancor incurring a decision to make.

I'll show a screen shot of what I'm talking about, after the file goes up, because I don't have access to do that right now since it's packing.

I know what you were talking about now, it was just that I did not factor in the minor league contracts.

[Young Drachma]

I know what you were talking about now, it was just that I did not factor in the minor league contracts.

Well it won't be a problem in the future. We'll only calculate the cap using the active roster figure starting on opening day. So it'll just count the 25-man roster and that'll be it, so that'll keep it simpler for everyone.

[Chief Rum]

After reviewing this I think we should look at the salary reports as well and add up any players making money in the minors. There were only about 4 teams, but their salaries do not show up on your cap number because they are not on the active roster and this could be a way to stash players and circumvent the cap.

But, DC, if we do that, doesn't the scenario put up by Commo_Soldier here then become a firm reality? I would want avoid this practice. Buying minor league players is no longer so common a practice as it was. Minor league contracts should not be large as a matter of natural course, and I think they should count against the cap.

[Alan T]

Ahh man, I didn't even think about the fact that bringing guys up for spring training was going to affect cap numbers.. sometimes I hate this game.

[Alan T]

Oh, it doesn't seem like a big deal after all. When I demote the players back to AAA after spring training, it brings my salary back below cap again. For a second I was afraid that this game was really stupid in how it handles spring training salaries.