Designated Hitter Proposal

[Young Drachma]

Yes, this is completely self-serving. The best hitting pitcher in FOOL last year was Valdosta's Patrick Bentley. He hit .256 with 10 RBI.

OOTP does hitting pitchers worse than real life because it's almost impossible to have one. So it's worst than real life in a sense.

I realize this is an old-school league and all, compared to the average league and that folks prefer say, our playoff setup (which is fabulous and exciting) and such to a "make everyone feel good" sort of deal.

But I think this would give teams more opportunity to use their personnel and actually inject MORE strategy and intrigue into our games than what we see now, which is really just eight guys against eight guys and a dude on the mound embarrassing himself.

Plus, it'd extend some of the careers of some of the guys whose fielding will surely be declining as they hit the 30s and Ronco's dev modifiers get a hold of them.

Frankly, it's something of a waste letting pitchers decide games with their arms AND their bats, in a league where we still have closers and 5-man rotations for the most part. Seems counterproductive.

So I'm asking for another vote on this, to bring back to the DH for the 1967, the FOOL had the DH for our first three seasons before we scrapped it prior to the 1964 season and the move over here to FOFC.

[Ben E Lou]

No, no, a thousand times no.

[gstelmack]

I'm an AL guy, so I love the DH. I'm okay if we don't bring it back, but I like it.

Of course, we could always have one league DH and the other not and let folks swap among them if we really want to mirror real life ;-)

[muns]

im down with the DH being brought back

[Young Drachma]

No, no, a thousand times no.

I knew what you'd say already. ;)

I figured I'd at least let the new folks vote. If it doesn't happen, oh well. I'll obviously live. I'm the only guy to win a title under the DH and without it. ;)

[Young Drachma]

Of course, we could always have one league DH and the other not and let folks swap among them if we really want to mirror real life ;-)

That's not a half bad idea.

[Young Drachma]

If the proposal passes, we could do a DH league and a league without it. I never considered that, but it's not a bad idea since we don't have interleague play anyway.

[Cringer]

No, no, a thousand times no.

+1000

[Alan T]

Boo DH booooo

[Tellistto]

No, thanks. Put McKinney in the outfield and hope he learns to play defense...somehow I doubt he will.

Tell

[muns]

No, thanks. Put McKinney in the outfield and hope he learns to play defense...somehow I doubt he will.

Tell

Thanks for the chuckle Tell :)

[Young Drachma]

Hmm...this will be an interesting vote.

[Chief Rum]

I'm an AL fan, and love the DH. No problem with it at all.

[Huckleberry]

I don't see how a rational human being could like the DH. It's a half-assed platoon system.

Either have a full platoon or don't. None of this halfway crap. Either everyone plays both ways or else all positions are allowed to platoon offense and defense.

In case you haven't figured it out, I vote no.

[Young Drachma]

OOTP fails at pitcher hitting. If it didn't, I'd be all for no-DH. But it's effectively impossible to have a good hitting pitcher in OOTP, because the game doesn't think that anyone who hits, could ever have hit and vice-versa. So my reason for the vote was mostly OOTP specific, rather than cloaked in the warm embrace of the DH.

Just something to keep in mind...

[/working on a realignment plan]

[Young Drachma]

The 3 RL teams that want to play in a no-DH league could move to the CL and the 3 CL teams that vote for the DH could move to the RL in my tentative plan. We'll see what LBI does, of course, but...I think this is the best solution to this issue, frankly. Plus, it'll invigorate our rivalries and league compositions a bit, by letting us face off against different owners that we don't get to play against.

[Huckleberry]

The 3 RL teams that want to play in a no-DH league could move to the CL and the 3 CL teams that vote for the DH could move to the RL in my tentative plan. We'll see what LBI does, of course, but...I think this is the best solution to this issue, frankly. Plus, it'll invigorate our rivalries and league compositions a bit, by letting us face off against different owners that we don't get to play against.

I propose that the Republic League stays non-DH and the Continental League is made the DH league.

That way you can rename it to the Communist League and still keep the CL abbreviation. :D

[Ben E Lou]

OOTP fails at pitcher hitting. If it didn't, I'd be all for no-DH. But it's effectively impossible to have a good hitting pitcher in OOTP, because the game doesn't think that anyone who hits, could ever have hit and vice-versa.I've seen some decent-hitting pitchers in OOTP. I'm looking at a guy right now in my mature NABA league who has a .223 lifetime average, for example--and that's in a league with depressed stats. He also has 11 HRs in 1170 ABs. I can find quite a few starting position players that have a HR ratio below that. There's a HOF SP in one of my test leagues who won 288 games, and had a .232 carere batting average. In his prime as a hitter, he had three straight seasons with an OPS above .700, including at age 27 hitting .333 with 6 doubles and 12 RBI in 72 at bats. I haven't examined the frequency of decent-hitting pitchers, but they certainly exist.